2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft - ESAL/Gatz wins

[LamarMatic7]

I've never drafted dale dog face Ellis even though he was another one of my favourites.

hahaha.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Moses at his best was a better all around player than Robinson. Robinson was a freak athlete and had some gaudy stats, but he didn't have a post game. Moses won the league mvp 3 times, in an Era with Kareem, magic, bird and Dr j. He took two different teams to the finals. Some say he outplayed Kareem in head to head match ups. He was a monster.

I'm not gonna debate whether Moses was a better player or not. He'll probably so. Like you said. 3 MVPs when you had those HOFers battling it out is extremely impressive.

I'm also not going to debate Robinson and his non post game. I really have no use for that in what I'm trying to do. My teams here to out athlete and cause chaos on both ends of the court with multiple different looks and different attacking points.

What I am here to say is, kind of some things Lamar has alluded to is how do you judge certain things when it comes to these teams. Cause no doubt both Malone and Robinson were great. And who's greater is whatever, but Malone on an island with Robinson facing up is a nightmare for Malone. And that has nothing to do with Malone, but more so to do with the evolution of the game and human physiology in the ten year or so span between the years picked.

It goes with the McHale debate that is going on too. McHale was unbelievable. He was a great defender, but he couldn't guard stretch fours now. He's not stopping Blake Griffins first step on a 15 foot face up. It's not saying One or the other is better, but human evolution and scientific knowledge has changed so much in the years this draft covers that it's hard to judge on what is going to matter if they actually both could be on the court at the same time.

We have knowledge of how McHale and Malone and others fairs against guys of their generation and guys in relation to their physical abilities(even though they were at the tops for their time), but that relativity doesn't translate into guarding NBA freak 2.0 essentially. And I don't know how you judge that. Because we don't have a frame of reference. Malone and Robinson played 7 games against each other and Malone was in his late 30s. We can't judge anything from that.

Malone may have had a better career, I just don't know how you judge him against the advances of the game and human evolution.

[EwingSweatsALot]

The small parts I saw McHale defending he looked very tough.

And Lamars right about Rodman, that's before his "rebirth " when he sat alone in his car with a shotgun and killed the old Rodman allowing the new Rodman to be born. He really was a whack job.

So he isn't Bulls Rodman where he grabbed 14 boards a game. But he was coming off the bench still grabbing 9. Averaging 13 per 36.

Also, he does have one transitive property between years which is his defense. I know we look at this by years, but some things can be extrapolated like defense and like shooting(which Lamar has pointed out with Kukoc).

Rodman won DPOY the next two years in a row after the year I selected him and that's because he finally got to start. He hadn't gained all the Bulls muscle yet. But he was still good enough to be DPOY. So I think with him starting for me it would be fair to say that he would be right up there for it on my team as well. And btw for the year I picked he did finish 3rd in the award coming off the bench.

I think his defensive talents as he was in that year translates better than what they would be later in his career because in 88-89 he still had the ability to switch more fluidly and guard more positions which is what I want him to do. It's what I pointed out when I selected him.

Now I do agree with Lamar that when I play against bigger teams that this version of Rodman could be an issue, but I've stayed multiple times that Rodman is a situational start for me. So going up against a huge PF probably shifts him out of the starting lineup and use him to guard smaller lineups and even SFs and possibly SGs since he could do that as well.

He's not weirdo wear a wedding dress get a million boards Rodman, but he's still extremely good and fits more of what I want to do on defense with the year I have him.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Moses at his best was a better all around player than Robinson. Robinson was a freak athlete and had some gaudy stats, but he didn't have a post game. Moses won the league mvp 3 times, in an Era with Kareem, magic, bird and Dr j. He took two different teams to the finals. Some say he outplayed Kareem in head to head match ups. He was a monster.

David Robinson was the single most difficult player for me to rank. Mostly because his stats from the season he was picked were absolutely absurd. I also feel that Malone was the better player. I feel pretty strongly that Hakeem is better too, but I seriously even considered putting him below Robinson as well.

I was a big Robinson fan but hakeem used to make him his bitch

So I'm going to state this outright before I go into defending my guy. I think Hakeem is a top 2 center of all time. I'd take him over Shaq's unstoppable force of nature and KAJ longevity and skill. I like Hakeem a lot. Hell he might even be number one for me because on an all time team if start him at center and Russell at PF. So this is all to say that I'm not a Hakeem hater and this isn't coming from a place of malice towards him and what not.

In the year I picked Robinson, he and Hakeem played against each other five times. With the Spurs going 4-1 in those games. Stats were fairly similar with Robinson having an edge.

Robinson- 26.6/14.2/5.4/3.0/2.2
Olajuwon- 24.2/12.6/4.8/3.0/1.2

Robinson outplayed him that year. And if you look at their regular season career match ups stats are almost dead even except Olajuwon averaged about a 1.5 points more per game. Some stats are almost identical.

I get that the WCF happened the year after I selected Robinson. And Hakeem abused him. Just took him to the cleaners. Not the same year but still relevant. I also think that the relevance to this draft and to Robinsons career is way to skewed for that 6 games. I mean 6 games out of 1110 career Reg and postseason games has essentially determined this mans career to an extent. Which I think is highly absurd.

Yeah he struggled in the playoffs early in his career. Whether it was bright lights of teams figured the team out. He didn't play well. The year I picked him he got bounced in the first round by Utah. His second best player was also Dennis Rodman. He but on a LeBronesque early Cleveland year's performance that season to even win that team 55 games in a conference where 55 games only got you the 4th seed.

Later in his career when he got Duncan and other talent around him to take the load off and he didn't have to be the focal point he won two championships, albeit not as good of a player but had an impact in the first one.

And isn't that what I'm doing with this draft. Putting talent around him and having an offense where he isn't the main focal point but still super duper talented and skilled. So basically the best of both points of his career. Supremely talented and athletic from his early years with talent and skill around him to help him extract his best self. Teams can't now focus on solely Robinson when the playoffs Come around because of all the talent and shooting that will surround him.

[Diop]

The small parts I saw McHale defending he looked very tough.

And Lamars right about Rodman, that's before his "rebirth " when he sat alone in his car with a shotgun and killed the old Rodman allowing the new Rodman to be born. He really was a whack job.

So he isn't Bulls Rodman where he grabbed 14 boards a game. But he was coming off the bench still grabbing 9. Averaging 13 per 36.

Also, he does have one transitive property between years which is his defense. I know we look at this by years, but some things can be extrapolated like defense and like shooting(which Lamar has pointed out with Kukoc).

Rodman won DPOY the next two years in a row after the year I selected him and that's because he finally got to start. He hadn't gained all the Bulls muscle yet. But he was still good enough to be DPOY. So I think with him starting for me it would be fair to say that he would be right up there for it on my team as well. And btw for the year I picked he did finish 3rd in the award coming off the bench.

I think his defensive talents as he was in that year translates better than what they would be later in his career because in 88-89 he still had the ability to switch more fluidly and guard more positions which is what I want him to do. It's what I pointed out when I selected him.

Now I do agree with Lamar that when I play against bigger teams that this version of Rodman could be an issue, but I've stayed multiple times that Rodman is a situational start for me. So going up against a huge PF probably shifts him out of the starting lineup and use him to guard smaller lineups and even SFs and possibly SGs since he could do that as well.

He's not weirdo wear a wedding dress get a million boards Rodman, but he's still extremely good and fits more of what I want to do on defense with the year I have him.

I was just more pointing out about Rodman being a whack job more than a bad player. The mobility did make him better in someways, Detroit used him to defend Bird a lot.

In regards to Robinson, I wasn't trying to knock him, I actually used to prefer him over Hakeem when I first used to watch them but then that conference finals happened and Hakeem won me over.

You're right Robinson would drag Moses out of the key and drive right past him. (like that classic dunk where Rodman jumps on him after and hugs hum)
With players this great, they are all going to be able to abuse each other in some way.

[fatlever]

Now why would Moses come way out to guard Robinson? Just let him stay out there and shoot jumpers.

[Diop]

This is the year that Robbo had the confidence to shoot 29 threes, hitting 10 of them. Very small numbers but a good indicator that he was willing to take open shots, leave him open mid range I will back him to hit more than he misses.

[BatumtheGlue]

I like Robinson, do you guys remember he scored 71 against the Clippers? He had some games with more than 10 blocks in a game? He had similar stats, if not better than Olajuwon in regular sesons. The difference is he was a pussy in playoffs just like Curry. Got owned by Olajuwon just like Curry got owned in playoff against Lebron.

[amcoolio]

Sorry guys, been incredibly busy at work. Will finish up my playoff tourney soon.

And I have a weak bench? I have three really good hall of famers on the bench! And excellent shooting. People seriously underrate Artis Gilmore and Laimbeer around here.

[fatlever]

One more thing regarding Moses and Drob

I took Moses in his 1982-83 MVP year, his first year with the Sixers. I wanted this version of Moses because he joined an already great team - with Dr J, Mo Cheeks, Bobby Jones and Andrew Toney and took them to the finals, where they beat the Showtime Lakers and was also finals MVP. I wanted to show that Moses was easily capable of sacrificing stats in order to win a ring. Moses averaged 24ppg in that first year with the Sixers. In the season prior year with the Rockets he averaged 31.1ppg as the primary scorer for a playoff team.

In Drobs' best offensive year he averaged 29.8ppg, 1.3 less than Moses' best year (the year before I picked him).

Point being, Moses was every bit as good of an offensive player as Robinson. The year I selected him, he was sharing scoring duties with Dr J (21.4ppg) and Andrew Toney (19.7ppg). Robinson was a one-man show that year with the Spurs. Moses didn't have to average 31ppg that year in Philly.

[fatlever]

Ranking the Starters

Point Guard
1. Magic Johnson
2. Isiah Thomas
3. Gary Payton
4. Steve Nash
5. Steph Curry
6. John Stockton
7. Jason Kidd
8. Fat Lever
9. Mike Conley
10. Chris Paul

Shooting Guard
1. Michael Jordan
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Mitch Richmond
4. Paul Pierce
5. Ray Allen
6. Grant Hill
7. Reggie Miller
8. Klay Thompson
9. James Harden
10. Gordon Hayward

Small Forward
1. Larry Bird
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Scottie Pippen
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Chris Mullin
7. Peja Stojakovic
8. Vince Carter
9. Michael Cooper
10. Shane Battier

Power Forward
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Karl Malone
5. Kevin McHale
6. George McGinnis
7. Chris Bosh
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Draymond Green
10. Dennis Rodman

Center
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Moses Malone
4. David Robinson
5. Shaquille ONeal
6. Tim Duncan
7. Dave Cowens
8. Alonzo Mourning
9. Dwight Howard
10. Mark Eaton

[fatlever]

1st - Gatz

I think that what has helped Gatz here and in other votes is that his roster truly looks the most sensible and beautiful. He has the absolutely dangerous and unstoppable Big Three that everyone needs in this kind of a draft. Shaq, Dirk and Durant are just awesome by themselves but it's even more scary when they make sense together. And his other guys have the right kind of balance between being very good players, having the right kind of skills to fit on the team and being great guys who would buy in (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that Westbrook would accept the "huge minutes but off the bench" role in exchange for being a winner). The team looks just right. Just some great execution throughout the draft.

I definitely would have had Gatz in my top 3 if it weren't for the rookies. I love the 5-man unit of Westbrook-Iggy-Durant-Dirk-Shaq. The big 3 is fantastic and seems to fit seamlessly as Lamar suggests. Had a few picks on the bench been non-rookies, I would have probably had a different opinion. I just don't see how a team with five rookies can compete in a league of this level, no matter how good all of those rookies were on their own. It takes time for rookies to figure it out. Put 5 of them on the same team and you'll have problems. It also doesn't help that Conely/Hayward is probably the worst starting backcourt in the league, only made up for the fact that Westbrook is coming off the bench.

[Braggins]

And I have a weak bench? I have three really good hall of famers on the bench! And excellent shooting. People seriously underrate Artis Gilmore and Laimbeer around here.

I admittedly have not really seen Gilmore play hardly at all and I probably am underrating him. As for Laimbeer, I don't think hed work at PF and he couldn't share the floor with either of your centers imo, so I wasn't a big fan of him on your roster. Your backup wings seemed to have had mediocre seasons the year they were drafted from. I do like Price a lot as a backup PG. I guess it was more that I was underwhelmed by your bench rather than thinking it was bad.

Its just one mans opinion. I wouldn't worry about it. I see now that I did underrate your team to some extent. It also looks like you are probably going to finish top three (I thought you had already won when I originally commented on your team) so you obviously did a really good job. I was more just trying to reiterate how much variation there was in the opinions of various teams. I've second guessed my own rankings multiple times in the last few days. The teams are all fantastic.

[Braggins]

Ranking the Starters

I wish I would have put Malone over Robinson in my rankings. I'm still not sure about it, but my gut tells me Malone was a tad bit better. Its just so hard to ignore Robinsons crazy stats that season. I also don't like that I put Draymond as high as I did, but it is what it is.

My only significant disagreement with your rankings is your placement of Reggie Miller.

I'm glad someone else ranked the starters. For some reason I had a lot of fun with it.

[fatlever]

Ranking the Starters

I wish I would have put Malone over Robinson in my rankings. I'm still not sure about it, but my gut tells me Malone was a tad bit better, but its so hard to ignore Robinsons crazy stats that season. I also don't like that I put Draymond as high as I did, but it is what it is.

My only significant disagreement with your rankings is your placement of Reggie Miller.

I'm glad someone else ranked the starters. For some reason I had a lot of fun with it.

I'm glad you had that idea. Everyone knows I love to rank stuff.

I think our biggest differences were Miller, McHale, Draymond, Rodman, Cowens, McGinnis, Mullin and Kemp, with very slight differences for some of the guys at the top - I had Kobe over Durant and Isiah over Payton and obviously Moses over Robinson.

Lamar and I have a long history of commenting on Reggie Miller being overrated. I'll give Reggie all the credit in the world for 1) hitting some big shots 2) being a great shooter 3) staying with the Pacers for his entire career. But he just was too one-dimensional for me to put him ahead of guys like Pierce and Richmond. Rookie Grant Hill over 95-96 Miller is probably harsh, but its also weird that Hill is being played at SG. Hard for me to ignore the massive edge Hill has on Reggie in every facet of the game except shooting, even as a rookie. Braggins, aren't you from Indiana? Ha, Is that the source of you having Reggie ranked so high?

[Braggins]

Ranking the Starters

I wish I would have put Malone over Robinson in my rankings. I'm still not sure about it, but my gut tells me Malone was a tad bit better, but its so hard to ignore Robinsons crazy stats that season. I also don't like that I put Draymond as high as I did, but it is what it is.

My only significant disagreement with your rankings is your placement of Reggie Miller.

I'm glad someone else ranked the starters. For some reason I had a lot of fun with it.

I'm glad you had that idea. Everyone knows I love to rank stuff.

I think our biggest differences were Miller, McHale, Draymond, Rodman, Cowens, McGinnis, Mullin and Kemp, with very slight differences for some of the guys at the top - I had Kobe over Durant and Isiah over Payton and obviously Moses over Robinson.

Lamar and I have a long history of commenting on Reggie Miller being overrated. I'll give Reggie all the credit in the world for 1) hitting some big shots 2) being a great shooter 3) staying with the Pacers for his entire career. But he just was too one-dimensional for me to put him ahead of guys like Pierce and Richmond. Rookie Grant Hill over 95-96 Miller is probably harsh, but its also weird that Hill is being played at SG. Hard for me to ignore the massive edge Hill has on Reggie in every facet of the game except shooting, even as a rookie. Braggins, aren't you from Indiana? Ha, Is that the source of you having Reggie ranked so high?

I put Isiah below Payton because it was his third season compared to Payton's eighth. I felt like Payton was more complete and ready to win at the points they were both drafted, but I slightly favor Isiah in general.

I feel like Reggie is underrated. I think his offensive brilliance gets underrated because he played on a lot of slow pace grind it out style teams that limited his scoring volume. He was was a supremely efficient scorer in his prime. He never averaged more than 15.7 field goal attempts per game in any season in his career and basically had six seasons where he averaged 21+ ppg on 14-15 attempts per game. In 1992-1993 he scored 20.7ppg on 13.7 fga. In his highest volume year he scored 24.6 ppg on 15.7 fga with 51.4/41.4/86.8 shooting splits (64.5 TS%). He had 13 seasons with a TS% 60% or higher, compared to a total of 7 for Pierce, Allen, and Richmond combined. He has the second highest career offensive rating of any player in NBA history (not that its super relevant, but it is somewhat telling imo).

I don't think he is quite as one dimensional as some do. His offense definitely revolved around amazing shooting, but he was also great at moving without the ball and finding ways to score. He got a surprising amount of layups and easy buckets due to his extremely high IQ and being great at finding openings in the defense. He was surprisingly good at getting to the line for someone who was primarily a shooter. He didn't get a ton of assists but also didn't turn the ball over and was a very solid and intelligent passer. His defense wasn't great, but it was solid and he had really good length and defensive IQ. I think he would be even better in todays game both defensively and offensively and I think his scoring numbers could be potentially much higher if he was in the right modern system.

I also think there is something be said for him being the clear cut number one guy on some elite teams that really didn't have a ton of talent around him (exception being some of the later Pacers teams with JO and Ron Artest). Guys like Pierce, Richmond, and Allen were putting up slightly better numbers but it was mostly on mediocre to bad teams. Pierce and Allen didn't really have much relevant success until they formed a super team. Hes also one of the clutchest players of all time. I just feel like at the end of the day Reggie elevated teams in ways that none of the other guys mentioned ever did. Part of the reason I had Yosemitebens team first is because I think the Lebron/Reggie combo (with help from Peja) would produce some surprisingly great offense despite the defense orientation of the rest of the team (I had them as the second best defensive team, maybe even first).

edit: Full disclosure. Reggie is my all time favorite player lol.

[amcoolio]

1/5 Fats vs. Ian - Yet again Ian draws another favorable matchup in my opinion. He has the length and defense to neutralize Fats' weapons. The biggest issue here for Ian is experience. Asking a rookie Mourning to guard Moses Malone in his prime is a tall task. I believe he is able to do it, but can he do it consistently over the course of the series? Kemp vs. Karl Malone is a fascinating matchup. This is another tough series. I really hate to do the "well he has MJ thing" but I think Ian built a really good team around MJ. Cooper and Battier are washes in the starting lineup. Birdsong and Iverson off the bench as 6th men scoring types are also a wash. So whats the verdict?

Fats takes it in 6 games solely because he has a little bit more shooting. MJ doesn't go down quietly though. Ian is going to have to play a 7 or 8 man rotation in this series and I think it will wear on him with the physicality of Malone/Malone and the lack of consistent shooting. (Parting notes for Ian: Getting the #1 overall pick is a blessing and a curse. Everyone would pick MJ, but picking last in rounds 2 and 3 is a tough challenge. I feel you did really well with what you were given, no qualms with you being a top 5 team. I think you needed a pure 3 point shooting threat at SF instead of Battier, your defense is otherwise great at the other positions. That coupled with a past his prime Hornacek at the backup PG spot, did you in from not metaling from me. But great job nonetheless.)

2/3 Lamar vs. ESAL - The mother of all matchups in this tournament, everyone has been waiting for this one. Two teams that are abusive on defense and extremely high skilled. Can Payton put his money where his mouth his and shut down someone like Curry who has unlimited range? Can Robinson do the same on Olajuwon? Can someone on ESAL's unit stop prime McGrady (or even Free) coming off the bench? Grant Hill and Paul Pierce at the top of their games are identical, and Mullin vs. Leonard is also very interesting. I tend to favor Lamar here based on the individual matchups, but I think ESAL has the power to shut down Lamar's offense just enough to edge him out. Its actually going to come down to often George freaking McGinnis can get to the rim and if ESAL just has too many shooters for Lamar to handle.

This series goes into double overtime of the 7th game. In the end, I think ESAL has just enough firepower off the bench with Towns, Stoudamire and Randolph, and he can play around with rotations enough to bring Lenoard in against McGrady. Robinson just had a incredible year in the year ESAL picked him, enough to neutralize Olajuwon. (Parting notes for Lamar: Very well picked team...Grant Hill and Mullin are perfect fits around Olajuwon and Payton. Very nitpicking but I believe Hakeem needs the paint all by himself and I would have liked to see a shooting big man like beside him; not sure if Sikma has the quickness to start at PF beside Hakeem but you might have to try it. Either way you are a top 3 team for sure, interested to see what the PC board thinks as you might have it.)

[EwingSweatsALot]

WHAT IF SPORTS REGULAR SEASON SIM

So just some background info. Whatifsports allows you to pick any player from any team and run sims for those teams. Gives full stats, full play by play, the whole deal. It's fun and entertaining and at least the best free sim out there.

You can even play in leagues where you have a salary cap and play 82 games + playoffs and have way more options then the Dream Team sim I had to do for this. I think its about $10 a season and it lasts about a month or so. They have it for more than just basketball.

Now that the infomercial is over.

Some notes on roster management:

• They only have 12 man rosters. We have 13. So what I did was take out your worst or second worst player based on WIS's salary for those players. The reason the second worst would be removed is if your worst player was at a scarce position. If your worst player was a SG and you only had two then I moved on to the 2nd worst.

• They also allow you to set a depth chart with goal minutes for each player. Everybody did a depth chart, but not everyone did minutes. So i used the depth charts, but not the minutes and used your writeups on your teams to get as much as I could out of it on how you wanted and where you wanted guys to play.

• Minutes were determined by a calculation. Because these are somewhat dream teams, the starters minutes were set at 90% of there MPG for the year selected. Bench minutes were determined by a formula I used from 10 seasons during our time period and how the 6th man and so on and so forths minutes were determined with the minutes left after the starters.

• If after those calculations there was extra minutes left (no more than a couple for a few teams) then they were given to the starters. If there were too many minutes (no more than a couple for a few teams) then they were taken away from the utility players.

• No player was assigned to a position that WIS deems them as a poor performer at.

Sim Season Notes

• No divisions. No seeding. Just all 10 teams playing each other.

• You played each opponent 4 times. 2 Home and 2 Away.

• I kept up with Wins and Losses (obiviously). Also PPG, PAPG, and Player of the Game. I contemplated keeping full boxscores for each player and getting season stats, but that would have taken 10 times longer.

The Results

Pretty clear cut in who WIS deemed the top 5 teams. Because there is a clear division, I am going to do a 5 team playoff. Seeds 4 and 5 will play for the 4th position. All 7 game series.

1st. Fats
2nd. Diop
3rd. ESAL
4th. Ian
5th. Yosemite
6th. Gatz
7th. Lamar
8th. Flip
9th. Coolio
10th. BTG

Results below by team vs team with all the other stats.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Spoiler:

Ranking the Starters

Point Guard
1. Magic Johnson
2. Isiah Thomas
3. Gary Payton
4. Steve Nash
5. Steph Curry
6. John Stockton
7. Jason Kidd
8. Fat Lever
9. Mike Conley
10. Chris Paul

Shooting Guard
1. Michael Jordan
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Mitch Richmond
4. Paul Pierce
5. Ray Allen
6. Grant Hill
7. Reggie Miller
8. Klay Thompson
9. James Harden
10. Gordon Hayward

Small Forward
1. Larry Bird
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Scottie Pippen
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Chris Mullin
7. Peja Stojakovic
8. Vince Carter
9. Michael Cooper
10. Shane Battier

Power Forward
1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Karl Malone
5. Kevin McHale
6. George McGinnis
7. Chris Bosh
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Draymond Green
10. Dennis Rodman

Center
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Moses Malone
4. David Robinson
5. Shaquille ONeal
6. Tim Duncan
7. Dave Cowens
8. Alonzo Mourning
9. Dwight Howard
10. Mark Eaton

Agree with almost all of this except for a few things.

- I'd swap Payton and Thomas (shooting and ability to guard bigger guys puts Payton ahead of me).
- I'd swap Klay and Reggie (Klay is a better defender).
- I'd swap Leonard and Pippen (I think Leonard has the best years of any perimeter defender ever and he can shoot).
- I might move Kemp up to 6th.

Other than that no arguments, and really those aren't arguments when it's just one spot or two.

[fatlever]

Thanks for taking the time to put all those teams in the WhatIf sim. It's really a cool website. I did a bunch of free leagues a few years ago. I sucked at it though. I usually finished around .500.

Are all the votes in? What was the final tally? Anyone?

Do we still want to post to PC board? If yes, should we let them pick the 4th place team after removing the top 3 vote getters from our votes? Or we can give the PC board a collective single vote and count it as equal to the rest our our votes. Does anyone want to do the honors of posting our stuff to the PC board? If not I can do it, but I might not get around to it for a couple of days. I have a lot going on (for me anyways) over the next few days.