All Things POLITICS 3.0

[Knicks_Fan2]

It's true that Robert Byrd was a former member of the KKK. A lot of people were back the day.

The Supreme Court Justice who wrote the opinion establishing the Separation of Church & State, Hugo Black, was a former Klansman as well.

The Klan was considered a respectable element of white Protestant society back in the day (which should tell us all we need to know about claims of moral superiority from advocates of white Protestant society).

But neither Hugo Black nor Robert Byrd ended their days as members of the Klan. Both evolved, and made extremely important contributions to their nation, while the supporters of Drumpf continue to devolve.

Appreciate all of your posts in this thread. Very informative.

[BKlutch]

The whole point of movements for civil rights is to get people to grow, evolve, and change their thinking. Black Lives Matters is attempting to make people understand what's wrong and make them want to become part of the solution. The real issue is, what is the real intent of an individual now? Does Trump, who is wavering back and forth on immigration and still using derogatory, racists words, really a good guy who is trying to help? I think that Byrd's transformation was genuine and is the kind of thing we'd like more of throughout society. Racists, race-baiters, and those who just attempt to exploit other groups can use all the fancy rhetoric they want, but their actions show them for what they are. The actions of Hillary for decades have shown her commitment to more fairness for all people. I'll never believe she is a racist.

[CJackson]

How does the senate not voting on a nominee equal forcing their ideologies on the court?

They're stalling the vote in hopes that the next president voted in is republican. Nobody's stupid everybody knows that's what they're doing.

Just because the republicans want one of their own to nominate someone doesnt mean theyre looking to push through an ideologically driven nominee. Thats not to say they wouldnt try to do such a thing.

Oh puhleeze. Not that they wouldn't? Of course they do. Your moral abstractions on this issue have nothing to do with reality.

[BKlutch]

Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief, Stephen Bannon, Faced Domestic Violence Charges in 1996

The recent appointment of Stephen K. Bannon, the right-wing media mogul, as chief executive of Donald J. Trump’s campaign was part of an effort to reset a candidacy that has stumbled with minority and female voters and suffered from controversies surrounding high-level campaign officials.

But Mr. Bannon brings to the post his own bumpy background that includes misdemeanor charges of domestic violence and allegations that he threatened his then wife, the accuser, with retribution if she testified in the criminal case, according to a police report of the incident and court records obtained by The New York Times.

Didn't Trump vet his campaign managers? First, Cory Lewandowsky attacked the woman report. He was replaced by Manafort, who has legal issues related to his work for Yanukovich and pro-Russian Ukraine. Nex, Bannon, the hero of the alt Right, is a guy who has some bad domestic violence in his past. So far, he's 0 for 3. Are these the kind of good people Trump promised he'd choose to help him run the government?

Full story at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/us/politics/stephen-bannon-trump-campaign.html?_r=0

[CJackson]

It's true that Robert Byrd was a former member of the KKK. A lot of people were back the day.

The Supreme Court Justice who wrote the opinion establishing the Separation of Church & State, Hugo Black, was a former Klansman as well.

The Klan was considered a respectable element of white Protestant society back in the day (which should tell us all we need to know about claims of moral superiority from advocates of white Protestant society).

But neither Hugo Black nor Robert Byrd ended their days as members of the Klan. Both evolved, and made extremely important contributions to their nation, while the supporters of Drumpf continue to devolve.

No, they get no passes. They never will. Just like Hitler never will.

Good point. Robert Byrd really should never be excused for the six million deaths he is accountable for.

[Greenie]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

[CJackson]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Nobody wants to do that. Why do you think that is the case? Honestly, where do you get the idea that anybody has said such a thing.

[BKlutch]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

[Greenie]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Nobody wants to do that. Why do you think that is the case? Honestly, where do you get the idea that anybody has said such a thing.

It's true that Robert Byrd was a former member of the KKK. A lot of people were back the day.

The Supreme Court Justice who wrote the opinion establishing the Separation of Church & State, Hugo Black, was a former Klansman as well.

The Klan was considered a respectable element of white Protestant society back in the day (which should tell us all we need to know about claims of moral superiority from advocates of white Protestant society).

But neither Hugo Black nor Robert Byrd ended their days as members of the Klan. Both evolved, and made extremely important contributions to their nation, while the supporters of Drumpf continue to devolve.

No, they get no passes. They never will. Just like Hitler never will.

Good point. Robert Byrd really should never be excused for the six million deaths he is accountable for.

[CJackson]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

[Greenie]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

They do not get passes. Never. I don't give a damn what they did to try and rectify their sins. They were a part of a group that terrorizes Blacks and kills them for fun. They can become the freaking Pope. They get no pass.

[Greenie]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Screw that, smack the hell out of both parties for failing to produce a palatable candidate.

We had Bernie who is the best out of the bunch, but the DNC and the MSM didn't want him. So they put their thumbs on the scale.

Edit: To be fair, Bernie had no name recognition with the older black vote down south where Clinton had a clear advantage going in.

Idealogically , Bernie's fine. However, he'd get steamrolled trying to put his plans into actions. That being said, I'd much prefer Kasich vs Sanders

Hey, I'm still waiting for clarification on Trump's immigration plan. What's going on with the wall? Is Mexico still paying for it? Oh, and what about the 11 million free loaders who are raping our women, doing our drugs and then using our bathrooms?

[duetta]

No, they get no passes. They never will. Just like Hitler never will.

They do with me. To err is human, to keeping erring makes you the abomination. I mean, even Malcolm came to the realization that not all white people were devils...

[BKlutch]

Now we want to downplay the impact of the KKK against blacks because it doesn't fit narratives huh?

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

They do not get passes. Never. I don't give a damn what they did to try and rectify their sins. They were a part of a group that terrorizes Blacks and kills them for fun. They can become the freaking Pope. They get no pass.

Greenie, you're not that heartless. You're even being nice to me again (thank you).

Some people pay their debt to society and move on. I know it's hard to tell when it's real and when it's just for show, but that's a different issue.

[HarthorneWingo]

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

[Greenie]

No, they get no passes. They never will. Just like Hitler never will.

They do with me. To err is human, to keeping erring makes you the abomination. I mean, even Malcolm came to the realization that not all white people were devils...

Are you black?

[BKlutch]

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

[Greenie]

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

They do not get passes. Never. I don't give a damn what they did to try and rectify their sins. They were a part of a group that terrorizes Blacks and kills them for fun. They can become the freaking Pope. They get no pass.

Greenie, you're not that heartless. You're even being nice to me again (thank you).

Some people pay their debt to society and move on. I know it's hard to tell when it's real and when it's just for show, but that's a different issue.

I don't care what it is. No pass.

Tell Emmit Till they get a pass.
Tell Mary Turner they get a pass.
Tell James Chaney they get a pass.
Tell Mack Charles Parker they get a pass.
Tell Jesse Washington they get a pass.
Tell the THOUSANDS of Blacks that were lynched that they get a pass.

[CJackson]

Never! Never forget what happened, but let's celebrate when people find redemption and learn what's right.

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

Nobody has excused lynchings or the KKK's history. Where do you get the idea that anyone has said such a thing? That's what I asked.

Have you ever done anything bad in your life?

I've made mistakes. Haven't you?

And don't you have any belief that the final measure of a person does become how they dealt with their past and who they became?

Were you a perfect person out of the womb and did you stay pure ever since or have you stumbled?

I have stumbled. I've dusted myself off too.

In Byrd's case, nobody for one second forgave his past affiliation with the klan, but he changed. I know you don't forgive anybody even after they admit a mistake so does that mean you don't forgive yourself for your mistakes? That sounds rough. I wouldn't wish that on you. Really