All Things POLITICS 3.0

[AndroidMan]

[Greenie]

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

Ohhhh, I see. Nazi's get passes now?
Hell. No.

[CJackson]

We had Bernie who is the best out of the bunch, but the DNC and the MSM didn't want him. So they put their thumbs on the scale.

Edit: To be fair, Bernie had no name recognition with the older black vote down south where Clinton had a clear advantage going in.

Idealogically , Bernie's fine. However, he'd get steamrolled trying to put his plans into actions. That being said, I'd much prefer Kasich vs Sanders

Hey, I'm still waiting for clarification on Trump's immigration plan. What's going on with the wall? Is Mexico still paying for it? Oh, and what about the 11 million free loaders who are raping our women, doing our drugs and then using our bathrooms?

Trump modified the wall plan. Now he will accept payment in burrito bowls instead of pesos.

[HarthorneWingo]

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

This is true.

But here's the question:

If you're a Jew living in Germany and your great grandparents were tortured and murdered by the Nazi's, would you still vote for the candidate for President who had ties to Nazi sympathizers or would you vote for someone who didn't?

[HarthorneWingo]

Idealogically , Bernie's fine. However, he'd get steamrolled trying to put his plans into actions. That being said, I'd much prefer Kasich vs Sanders

Hey, I'm still waiting for clarification on Trump's immigration plan. What's going on with the wall? Is Mexico still paying for it? Oh, and what about the 11 million free loaders who are raping our women, doing our drugs and then using our bathrooms?

Trump modified the wall plan. Now he will accept payment in burrito bowls instead of pesos.

I hear Chipotle is donating a dollar towards the wall for every black bean burrito chicken purchased from here through to election day. It's slogan: "Have a burrito bowl and make America great again - at the same time!"

[Greenie]

We all have said and done things we can't take back.

I'm sure every one of us here needs to clean up some of our past and could use a little redemption in our lives.

How does one do that?

Usually by being kinder to one's self and to others.

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

Nobody has excused lynchings or the KKK's history. Where do you get the idea that anyone has said such a thing? That's what I asked.

Have you ever done anything bad in your life?

I've made mistakes. Haven't you?

And don't you have any belief that the final measure of a person does become how they dealt with their past and who they became?

Were you a perfect person out of the womb and did you stay pure ever since or have you stumbled?

I have stumbled. I've dusted myself off too.

In Byrd's case, nobody for one second forgave his past affiliation with the klan, but he changed. I know you don't forgive anybody even after they admit a mistake so does that mean you don't forgive yourself for your mistakes? That sounds rough. I wouldn't wish that on you. Really

Let me get this straight. You're equating Klan membership to everyday mistakes?


Wow!!!!

[BKlutch]

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

Ohhhh, I see. Nazi's get passes now?
Hell. No.

Nobody gets a pass. That's not what we're saying. We're saying never forget the atrocities, always condemn what was done. Even God forgives those who have erred. Why not embrace those who have truly changed. It's an acknowledgement that, by nature, all humans are flawed. Perfection is never something to attribute to being human.

Have you never seen a person who did bad things and is now changed?

[AndroidMan]

Clintons are the real predators. Even Sanders calls Clinton a racist in the video.

[BKlutch]

I find it hard to disagree with this line of thinking.

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

This is true.

But here's the question:

If you're a Jew living in Germany and your great grandparents were tortured and murdered by the Nazi's, would you still vote for the candidate for President who had ties to Nazi sympathizers or would you vote for someone who didn't?

There's another country with perhaps an even bigger miracle than Germany: South Africa. There was plenty of room for hate and retribution, but the whole premise of Mandela's reconciliation was that forgiveness would be best for everyone. On the whole, it's worked very well.

[Greenie]

Germany killed 6 million Jews and other people. Most Germans were Nazis or sympathizers. Now Germany is a good friend of Jews and works hard to make sure that they never again do what they did. I really appreciate and respect what that shows about the good parts of human nature.

So as much as I hate the KKK, I do believe there can be change. (You do have to be very careful in accepting it as genuine.)

Ohhhh, I see. Nazi's get passes now?
Hell. No.

Nobody gets a pass. That's not what we're saying. We're saying never forget the atrocities, always condemn what was done. Even God forgives those who have erred. Why not embrace those who have truly changed. It's an acknowledgement that, by nature, all humans are flawed. Perfection is never something to attribute to being human.

Have you never seen a person who did bad things and is now changed?

God forgives. I don't.

[Greenie]

This thread is making me literally sick right now.

[CJackson]

Sorry, I've never been a part a an organization that lynched people as a hobby based on their skin color.

Klan members former, current or future gets 0 passes.

Nobody has excused lynchings or the KKK's history. Where do you get the idea that anyone has said such a thing? That's what I asked.

Have you ever done anything bad in your life?

I've made mistakes. Haven't you?

And don't you have any belief that the final measure of a person does become how they dealt with their past and who they became?

Were you a perfect person out of the womb and did you stay pure ever since or have you stumbled?

I have stumbled. I've dusted myself off too.

In Byrd's case, nobody for one second forgave his past affiliation with the klan, but he changed. I know you don't forgive anybody even after they admit a mistake so does that mean you don't forgive yourself for your mistakes? That sounds rough. I wouldn't wish that on you. Really

Let me get this straight. You're equating Klan membership to everyday mistakes?


Wow!!!!

No, I am not.

But bias as an attitude has its roots in the commitment to staying angry for the sake of stoking anger, not on achieving any understanding.

Byrd said:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

He never asked anyone to bury his past. He didn't hide from it.

Consistently relying on false equivalences is how to promote bias, not resolve it and equating a man who willingly acknowledges their sins and then does good to Adolf Hitler is just sad.

That you are using this terrible analogy to further promote yet another false equivalence as proof that Clinton's attack on Trump's racialist campaign tactics is morally null and void really deflates any moral authority your argument attempts to make.

[BKlutch]

Ohhhh, I see. Nazi's get passes now?
Hell. No.

Nobody gets a pass. That's not what we're saying. We're saying never forget the atrocities, always condemn what was done. Even God forgives those who have erred. Why not embrace those who have truly changed. It's an acknowledgement that, by nature, all humans are flawed. Perfection is never something to attribute to being human.

Have you never seen a person who did bad things and is now changed?

God forgives. I don't.

As of today, it seems not.

[Greenie]

Nobody has excused lynchings or the KKK's history. Where do you get the idea that anyone has said such a thing? That's what I asked.

Have you ever done anything bad in your life?

I've made mistakes. Haven't you?

And don't you have any belief that the final measure of a person does become how they dealt with their past and who they became?

Were you a perfect person out of the womb and did you stay pure ever since or have you stumbled?

I have stumbled. I've dusted myself off too.

In Byrd's case, nobody for one second forgave his past affiliation with the klan, but he changed. I know you don't forgive anybody even after they admit a mistake so does that mean you don't forgive yourself for your mistakes? That sounds rough. I wouldn't wish that on you. Really

Let me get this straight. You're equating Klan membership to everyday mistakes?


Wow!!!!

No, I am not.

But bias as an attitude has its roots in the commitment to staying angry for the sake of stoking anger, not on achieving any understanding.

Byrd said:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

He never asked anyone to bury his past. He didn't hide from it.

Consistently relying on false equivalences is how to promote bias, not resolve it and equating a man who willingly acknowledges their sins and then does good to Adolf Hitler is just sad.

That you are using this terrible analogy to further promote yet another false equivalence as proof that Clinton's attack on Trump's racialist campaign tactics is morally null and void really deflates any moral authority your argument attempts to make.

You know what? I'm going back to not speaking people. Any and everyone that defended Klansmen in this thread; I can't speak to you anymore. I just lost a respect for you on a real note.Glad to see where a lot of you are coming from so I can back the hell up.I can't hold a conversation with anyone who believes what you all do about anything. Not politics or basketball. I'm literally sick. I'm so damn done.

I'll be sure to let my elderly family members know that we forgive Klansmen and that we can't equate our hurt to that of Jews towards Nazi's.


Man....

I'm asking for a mod to ban me from this damn sight.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Senator Byrd and the Klan from wiki:

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[12][13]

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[19] Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[13] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[13]

In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[13][20]

In 1946, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."[21] However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[13]

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[22] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[23] Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan

[CJackson]

Let me get this straight. You're equating Klan membership to everyday mistakes?


Wow!!!!

No, I am not.

But bias as an attitude has its roots in the commitment to staying angry for the sake of stoking anger, not on achieving any understanding.

Byrd said:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

He never asked anyone to bury his past. He didn't hide from it.

Consistently relying on false equivalences is how to promote bias, not resolve it and equating a man who willingly acknowledges their sins and then does good to Adolf Hitler is just sad.

That you are using this terrible analogy to further promote yet another false equivalence as proof that Clinton's attack on Trump's racialist campaign tactics is morally null and void really deflates any moral authority your argument attempts to make.

You know what? I'm going back to not speaking people. Any and everyone that defended Klansmen in this thread; I can't speak to you anymore. I just lost a respect for you on a real note.Glad to see where a lot of you are coming from so I can back the hell up.I can't hold a conversation with anyone who believes what you all do about anything. Not politics or basketball. I'm literally sick. I'm so damn done.

I'll be sure to let my elderly family members know that we forgive Klansmen and that we can't equate our hurt to that of Jews towards Nazi's.


Man....

I'm asking for a mod to ban me from this damn sight.

We were very polite to you Greenie, but you can't reasonably expect to quarantine yourself from replies from people you claim you don't want to speak to when you casually invoke Hitler's name so thoughtlessly.

And now you just basically slandered some of us by saying we are basically klansmen in your eyes for what we've discussed with you.

Did we do anything of that nature with you? No. We challenged your reasoning, but made no personal attacks.

I grew up next to a concentration camp survivor. Everyday I saw the numbers tattooed on their skin and I knew what that meant when I was four years old. I'm sure you have similar memories growing up where you were reminded of the pain your elders went through.

But this is not about equating the pain of the families of those who were lynched to those who were gassed in the ovens. You just said that is what it is, but that is not what you were doing or saying.

You were saying Robert Byrd is just as bad as Adolf Hitler which is a ludicrous statement.

And you were using that assertion to say Clinton's association with Byrd is equivalent to Trump running a campaign that courts white supremacists.

That is completely illogical.

Clinton is not actively courting white supremacists and Trump is.

How you attempt to use the terrible analogy of Robert Byrd and Adolf Hitler as the logical reason Clinton's campaign is no better than Trump's is shoddy and intellectually dishonest.

[Greenie]

No, I am not.

But bias as an attitude has its roots in the commitment to staying angry for the sake of stoking anger, not on achieving any understanding.

Byrd said:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

He never asked anyone to bury his past. He didn't hide from it.

Consistently relying on false equivalences is how to promote bias, not resolve it and equating a man who willingly acknowledges their sins and then does good to Adolf Hitler is just sad.

That you are using this terrible analogy to further promote yet another false equivalence as proof that Clinton's attack on Trump's racialist campaign tactics is morally null and void really deflates any moral authority your argument attempts to make.

You know what? I'm going back to not speaking people. Any and everyone that defended Klansmen in this thread; I can't speak to you anymore. I just lost a respect for you on a real note.Glad to see where a lot of you are coming from so I can back the hell up.I can't hold a conversation with anyone who believes what you all do about anything. Not politics or basketball. I'm literally sick. I'm so damn done.

I'll be sure to let my elderly family members know that we forgive Klansmen and that we can't equate our hurt to that of Jews towards Nazi's.


Man....

I'm asking for a mod to ban me from this damn sight.

We were very polite to you Greenie, but you can't reasonably expect to quarantine yourself from replies from people you claim you don't want to speak to when you casually invoke Hitler's name so thoughtlessly.

And now you just basically slandered some of us by saying we are basically klansmen in your eyes for what we've discussed with you.

Did we do anything of that nature with you? No. We challenged your reasoning, but made no personal attacks.

I grew up next to a concentration camp survivor. Everyday I saw the numbers tattooed on their skin and I knew what that meant when I was four years old. I'm sure you have similar memories growing up where you were reminded of the pain your elders went through.

But this is not about equating the pain of the families of those who were lynched to those who were gassed in the ovens. You just said that is what it is, but that is not what you were doing or saying.

You were saying Robert Byrd is just as bad as Adolf Hitler which is a ludicrous statement.

And you were using that assertion to say Clinton's association with Byrd is equivalent to Trump running a campaign that courts white supremacists.

That is completely illogical.

Clinton is not actively courting white supremacists and Trump is.

How you attempt to use the terrible analogy of Robert Byrd and Adolf Hitler as the logical reason Clinton's campaign is no better than Trump's is shoddy and intellectually dishonest.

FUQ YOU CLYDE

[CJackson]

FUQ YOU CLYDE

As always, keep it classy Greenie

[Greenie]

FUQ YOU CLYDE

As always, keep it classy Greenie

Fuq you and anyone who agrees with you.

I'm done! Ban my damn IP

[CJackson]

FUQ YOU CLYDE

As always, keep it classy Greenie

Fuq you and anyone who agrees with you.

I'm done! Ban my damn IP

I don't know what you expected to happen when you yell Hitler in a crowded theater

In spite of your acting out, nobody was rude to you