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Re: All Things POLITICS 3.0 

Post#301 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:02 pm

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Ohhhh, I see. Nazi's get passes now?
Hell. No.

Nobody gets a pass. That's not what we're saying. We're saying never forget the atrocities, always condemn what was done. Even God forgives those who have erred. Why not embrace those who have truly changed. It's an acknowledgement that, by nature, all humans are flawed. Perfection is never something to attribute to being human.

Have you never seen a person who did bad things and is now changed?

God forgives. I don't.


I understand how you feel. But let me ask you this, then why did all these African American voters down south vote for Hillary in the primary in such high numbers? It's something I didn't quite understand at the time and, in light of your argument, understand even less now.
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Post#302 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:04 pm

Honestly, what the **** is wrong with all of you? Why can't we have a civilized discussion without every **** post being reported and without personal attacks?

This is the last time I'm sending a warning to EVERYONE in this thread before this thread will cease to exist and all of your accounts will be suspended OR banned. STOP THE BITCHING, STOP THE ATTACKS, STOP THE OVERALL ****, and POST LIKE **** HUMAN BEINGS or it's over.

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Post#303 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:32 pm

Trump's campaign CEO possibly violating election laws


Donald Trump’s new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws.

Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump’s election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development.

“I have emptied the property,” Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. “Nobody lives there … we are going to make a construction there.” Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months.

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Under Florida law, voters must be legal residents of the state and of the county where they register to vote. Guidelines from the Florida department of state say that Florida courts and state authorities have defined legal residency as the place “where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Re: All Things POLITICS 3.0 

Post#304 » by BKlutch » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:37 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump's campaign CEO possibly violating election laws


Donald Trump’s new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws.

Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump’s election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development.

“I have emptied the property,” Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. “Nobody lives there … we are going to make a construction there.” Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months.

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Under Florida law, voters must be legal residents of the state and of the county where they register to vote. Guidelines from the Florida department of state say that Florida courts and state authorities have defined legal residency as the place “where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw

So, he's not properly registered and he was picked up for domestic violence. Is there anything else on his resume?
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Post#305 » by Riot Randolph » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:55 pm

Prob the most insightful article I've read about trump and his supporters...https://georgelakoff.com/2016/07/23/understanding-trump-2
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Post#306 » by CJackson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:01 pm

knicks85 wrote:Prob the most insightful article I've read about trump and his supporters...https://georgelakoff.com/2016/07/23/understanding-trump-2


Thanks. I'm going to read that later. Lakoff is always interesting
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Post#307 » by CJackson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:05 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump's campaign CEO possibly violating election laws


Donald Trump’s new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws.

Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump’s election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development.

“I have emptied the property,” Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. “Nobody lives there … we are going to make a construction there.” Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months.

...

Under Florida law, voters must be legal residents of the state and of the county where they register to vote. Guidelines from the Florida department of state say that Florida courts and state authorities have defined legal residency as the place “where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw


Such a petty thing to cheat on. It is not worth it. What kind of thought process does a person like that even have?

Reading this I now see this is a felony offense. Just bizarre
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Re: All Things POLITICS 3.0 

Post#308 » by BKlutch » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:18 pm

CJackson wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump's campaign CEO possibly violating election laws


Donald Trump’s new presidential campaign chief is registered to vote in a key swing state at an empty house where he does not live, in an apparent breach of election laws.

Stephen Bannon, the chief executive of Trump’s election campaign, has an active voter registration at the house in Miami-Dade County, Florida, which is vacant and due to be demolished to make way for a new development.

“I have emptied the property,” Luis Guevara, the owner of the house, which is in the Coconut Grove section of the city, said in an interview. “Nobody lives there … we are going to make a construction there.” Neighbors said the property had been abandoned for several months.

...

Under Florida law, voters must be legal residents of the state and of the county where they register to vote. Guidelines from the Florida department of state say that Florida courts and state authorities have defined legal residency as the place “where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-registered-vote-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw


Such a petty thing to cheat on. It is not worth it. What kind of thought process does a person like that even have?

Reading this I now see this is a felony offense. Just bizarre

Does my mind suddenly fail me, or wasn't Trump the guy who worried about voter fraud and people voting where they weren't legally registered to vote? How could this kind of thing happen in Trump's own organization? The poor man must be mortified.
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Re: All Things POLITICS 3.0 

Post#309 » by CJackson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:28 pm

BKlutch wrote:
CJackson wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump's campaign CEO possibly violating election laws




Such a petty thing to cheat on. It is not worth it. What kind of thought process does a person like that even have?

Reading this I now see this is a felony offense. Just bizarre


Does my mind suddenly fail me, or wasn't Trump the guy who worried about voter fraud and people voting where they weren't legally registered to vote? How could this kind of thing happen in Trump's own organization? The poor man must be mortified.


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Post#310 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:54 pm

CJackson wrote:
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CJackson wrote:
Such a petty thing to cheat on. It is not worth it. What kind of thought process does a person like that even have?

Reading this I now see this is a felony offense. Just bizarre


Does my mind suddenly fail me, or wasn't Trump the guy who worried about voter fraud and people voting where they weren't legally registered to vote? How could this kind of thing happen in Trump's own organization? The poor man must be mortified.


It's par for the course with these dildos


Dildos? DILDOS? That's for the Steven Seagal thread. You're going to get your own thread locked if you keep using that kind of language around here young man.
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Post#311 » by CJackson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:59 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
CJackson wrote:
BKlutch wrote:
Does my mind suddenly fail me, or wasn't Trump the guy who worried about voter fraud and people voting where they weren't legally registered to vote? How could this kind of thing happen in Trump's own organization? The poor man must be mortified.


It's par for the course with these dildos


Dildos? DILDOS? That's for the Steven Seagal thread. You're going to get your own thread locked if you keep using that kind of language around here young man.


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Re: All Things POLITICS 3.0 

Post#312 » by BKlutch » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:01 pm

CJackson wrote:
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It's par for the course with these dildos


Dildos? DILDOS? That's for the Steven Seagal thread. You're going to get your own thread locked if you keep using that kind of language around here young man.


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Post#313 » by AndroidMan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:07 pm

http://endingthefed.com/black-female-trump-exec-steps-forward-with-bombshell-i-can-no-longer-remain-silent.html

Lynne Patton had had enough, so she decided to lay out exactly what she thought about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Patton, who is black, shared her judgments in a letter she read on a YouTube video, which has more than 127,000 views.

“I can no longer remain silent about the repeated and reprehensible attempts to align my boss and his family with racist hate-mongering groups, campaigns and messaging,” wrote Patton, director of the Eric Trump Foundation and assistant to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. She said the video was not part of her employment but was triggered by the reaction Trump has received during his campaign.

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“The Trump family that I know is, without question, one of the most generous, compassionate and philanthropic families I’ve ever had the privilege of knowing and the honor to call friends,” she said. “They have been incredibly loyal to me and to the countless dedicated people they employ around the world – hiring more minority and female executives than any other company for which I’ve ever worked.”

Patton defended Trump’s policies for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and the construction of a wall with Mexico.

“To equate racism with my boss’ call for a temporary moratorium on a flawed immigration system that radical Islamic terrorists continue to exploit, or the construction of an impassible wall to protect our borders from the influx of illegal drugs, is not only incendiary, it’s wholly irresponsible and only serves to embolden the very hatred these draconian groups espouse,” she wrote, later criticizing “paid protesters” who target Trump.

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Post#314 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:10 pm

AndroidMan wrote:http://endingthefed.com/black-female-trump-exec-steps-forward-with-bombshell-i-can-no-longer-remain-silent.html

Lynne Patton had had enough, so she decided to lay out exactly what she thought about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Patton, who is black, shared her judgments in a letter she read on a YouTube video, which has more than 127,000 views.

“I can no longer remain silent about the repeated and reprehensible attempts to align my boss and his family with racist hate-mongering groups, campaigns and messaging,” wrote Patton, director of the Eric Trump Foundation and assistant to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. She said the video was not part of her employment but was triggered by the reaction Trump has received during his campaign.

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“The Trump family that I know is, without question, one of the most generous, compassionate and philanthropic families I’ve ever had the privilege of knowing and the honor to call friends,” she said. “They have been incredibly loyal to me and to the countless dedicated people they employ around the world – hiring more minority and female executives than any other company for which I’ve ever worked.”

Patton defended Trump’s policies for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and the construction of a wall with Mexico.

“To equate racism with my boss’ call for a temporary moratorium on a flawed immigration system that radical Islamic terrorists continue to exploit, or the construction of an impassible wall to protect our borders from the influx of illegal drugs, is not only incendiary, it’s wholly irresponsible and only serves to embolden the very hatred these draconian groups espouse,” she wrote, later criticizing “paid protesters” who target Trump.



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Post#315 » by Rasho Brezec » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:14 pm

Why can't more states be like Colorado.

http://kdvr.com/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-beating-donald-trump-among-voters-under-35-in-colorado/

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has 16 percent support among Coloradans in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

Additionally, the poll gives Johnson an 11-point lead over Trump with voters 18 to 34.
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Post#316 » by CJackson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:20 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Why can't more states be like Colorado.

http://kdvr.com/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-beating-donald-trump-among-voters-under-35-in-colorado/

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has 16 percent support among Coloradans in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

Additionally, the poll gives Johnson an 11-point lead over Trump with voters 18 to 34.


It is next door to Johnson's state so they are far more familiar with him in Colorado
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Post#317 » by NoLayupRule » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:32 pm

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Greenie wrote:You know what? I'm going back to not speaking people. Any and everyone that defended Klansmen in this thread; I can't speak to you anymore. I just lost a respect for you on a real note.Glad to see where a lot of you are coming from so I can back the hell up.I can't hold a conversation with anyone who believes what you all do about anything. Not politics or basketball. I'm literally sick. I'm so damn done.

I'll be sure to let my elderly family members know that we forgive Klansmen and that we can't equate our hurt to that of Jews towards Nazi's.


Man....

I'm asking for a mod to ban me from this damn sight.


We were very polite to you Greenie, but you can't reasonably expect to quarantine yourself from replies from people you claim you don't want to speak to when you casually invoke Hitler's name so thoughtlessly.

And now you just basically slandered some of us by saying we are basically klansmen in your eyes for what we've discussed with you.

Did we do anything of that nature with you? No. We challenged your reasoning, but made no personal attacks.

I grew up next to a concentration camp survivor. Everyday I saw the numbers tattooed on their skin and I knew what that meant when I was four years old. I'm sure you have similar memories growing up where you were reminded of the pain your elders went through.

But this is not about equating the pain of the families of those who were lynched to those who were gassed in the ovens. You just said that is what it is, but that is not what you were doing or saying.

You were saying Robert Byrd is just as bad as Adolf Hitler which is a ludicrous statement.

And you were using that assertion to say Clinton's association with Byrd is equivalent to Trump running a campaign that courts white supremacists.

That is completely illogical.

Clinton is not actively courting white supremacists and Trump is.

How you attempt to use the terrible analogy of Robert Byrd and Adolf Hitler as the logical reason Clinton's campaign is no better than Trump's is shoddy and intellectually dishonest.

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i gotta say Im pretty disappointed in you Greenie

If you are gonna make inflammatory statements and then cry when people respond and then freak out when people call you on it and then cry to mods for help and then to be banned and then swear at people you really are not the poster I had hoped you were

i think you need to take a break and calm yourself down
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Post#318 » by Greenie » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:39 pm

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We were very polite to you Greenie, but you can't reasonably expect to quarantine yourself from replies from people you claim you don't want to speak to when you casually invoke Hitler's name so thoughtlessly.

And now you just basically slandered some of us by saying we are basically klansmen in your eyes for what we've discussed with you.

Did we do anything of that nature with you? No. We challenged your reasoning, but made no personal attacks.

I grew up next to a concentration camp survivor. Everyday I saw the numbers tattooed on their skin and I knew what that meant when I was four years old. I'm sure you have similar memories growing up where you were reminded of the pain your elders went through.

But this is not about equating the pain of the families of those who were lynched to those who were gassed in the ovens. You just said that is what it is, but that is not what you were doing or saying.

You were saying Robert Byrd is just as bad as Adolf Hitler which is a ludicrous statement.

And you were using that assertion to say Clinton's association with Byrd is equivalent to Trump running a campaign that courts white supremacists.

That is completely illogical.

Clinton is not actively courting white supremacists and Trump is.

How you attempt to use the terrible analogy of Robert Byrd and Adolf Hitler as the logical reason Clinton's campaign is no better than Trump's is shoddy and intellectually dishonest.

FUQ YOU CLYDE

i gotta say Im pretty disappointed in you Greenie

If you are gonna make inflammatory statements and then cry when people respond and then freak out when people call you on it and then cry to mods for help and then to be banned and then swear at people you really are not the poster I had hoped you were

i think you need to take a break and calm yourself down

I need a break. A permanent one from here when I'm basically told blacks can't feel that the KKK and Nazi treatment equate. It's OK. Blacks feelings on their history has always been frowned upon. Our feelings can't be as strong as others. Toughn the hell up.

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Post#319 » by Capn'O » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:42 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:If you're a Jew living in Germany and your great grandparents were tortured and murdered by the Nazi's, would you still vote for the candidate for President who had ties to Nazi sympathizers or would you vote for someone who didn't?


My family was already in the States... that said, I'm a pretty forgiving person but my forgiveness only goes so far. In that scenario, even as somebody whose family was not directly impacted, I would cast my vote elsewhere understanding why others might take a more pragmatic stance.

I understand how you feel. But let me ask you this, then why did all these African American voters down south vote for Hillary in the primary in such high numbers? It's something I didn't quite understand at the time and, in light of your argument, understand even less now.


I wondered that myself. On Super Tuesday Farai Chideya of 538 cited an appeal to pragmatism that made the most sense to me of anything.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-14828612

Micah, it’s true that Clinton overwhelmingly won the black vote in Super Tuesday states where she beat Sanders, including Georgia. Pragmatism about black political interests and how the game is played is likely the primary factor, since Sanders has also spoken to issues of core interest to black voters.

But a candidate speaking to the issues that a demographic cares about isn’t enough, no matter your race, and particularly so for black voters. Many black voters could support Sanders’s positions, but if they don’t think he knows how to wrangle Congress, there’s a risk in voting for him. I can’t help but think of President Lyndon B. Johnson wrangling an ambivalent Congress to pass civil rights legislation. He was known for his ability to work inside the political system, which may be tactically more important for black voters than white voters.


Without firsthand knowledge - my assumption is there is a divide between older and younger black voters that is more pronounced than that divide is nationally. Older voters that have a combination of understanding and jading of how politics work were convinced enough by Clinton's stated commitments to criminal justice reform that they were willing to support a candidate whose contributions and positions were less entrenched in that ideology.

Younger voters started to turn the corner and make an ideological choice, but too late.
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Post#320 » by Greenie » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:42 pm

Oh look, MR. Your feelings don't matter Clyde is here to big you up!

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