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CJackson wrote:Rasho Brezec wrote:Why can't more states be like Colorado.
http://kdvr.com/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-beating-donald-trump-among-voters-under-35-in-colorado/Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has 16 percent support among Coloradans in the latest Quinnipiac poll.
Additionally, the poll gives Johnson an 11-point lead over Trump with voters 18 to 34.
It is next door to Johnson's state so they are far more familiar with him in Colorado
King of Canada wrote:CJackson wrote:Rasho Brezec wrote:Why can't more states be like Colorado.
http://kdvr.com/2016/08/18/gary-johnson-beating-donald-trump-among-voters-under-35-in-colorado/
It is next door to Johnson's state so they are far more familiar with him in Colorado
And weed
Capn'O wrote:I wonder what Paul Reed's feelings are about metal bats.
Capn'O wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:If you're a Jew living in Germany and your great grandparents were tortured and murdered by the Nazi's, would you still vote for the candidate for President who had ties to Nazi sympathizers or would you vote for someone who didn't?
My family was already in the States... that said, I'm a pretty forgiving person but my forgiveness only goes so far. In that scenario, even as somebody whose family was not directly impacted, I would cast my vote elsewhere understanding why others might take a more pragmatic stance.I understand how you feel. But let me ask you this, then why did all these African American voters down south vote for Hillary in the primary in such high numbers? It's something I didn't quite understand at the time and, in light of your argument, understand even less now.
I wondered that myself. On Super Tuesday Farai Chideya of 538 cited an appeal to pragmatism that made the most sense to me of anything.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-14828612Micah, it’s true that Clinton overwhelmingly won the black vote in Super Tuesday states where she beat Sanders, including Georgia. Pragmatism about black political interests and how the game is played is likely the primary factor, since Sanders has also spoken to issues of core interest to black voters.
But a candidate speaking to the issues that a demographic cares about isn’t enough, no matter your race, and particularly so for black voters. Many black voters could support Sanders’s positions, but if they don’t think he knows how to wrangle Congress, there’s a risk in voting for him. I can’t help but think of President Lyndon B. Johnson wrangling an ambivalent Congress to pass civil rights legislation. He was known for his ability to work inside the political system, which may be tactically more important for black voters than white voters.
Without firsthand knowledge - my assumption is there is a divide between older and younger black voters that is more pronounced than that divide is nationally. Older voters that have a combination of understanding and jading of how politics work were convinced enough by Clinton's stated commitments to criminal justice reform that they were willing to support a candidate whose contributions and positions were less entrenched in that ideology.
Younger voters started to turn the corner but too late.
knicks85 wrote:People in straight troll mode...
HarthorneWingo wrote:Charles Blow, the African American NY Times columnist who has addressed this issue, pointed out that the older AAs down south remember Hillary from her days as Arkansas' First Lady when she apparently did a lot of work on behalf of the them and that this demographic is a very loyal voting block.
Greenie wrote:I'm willing to bet most don't know Hillary's background.
Capn'O wrote:I wonder what Paul Reed's feelings are about metal bats.
knicks85 wrote:Greenie wrote:I'm willing to bet most don't know Hillary's background.
Do you really want me cjackson Bklutch or buzzardman to school you on black history...because everything needs to be looked through context..
Capn'O wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Charles Blow, the African American NY Times columnist who has addressed this issue, pointed out that the older AAs down south remember Hillary from her days as Arkansas' First Lady when she apparently did a lot of work on behalf of the them and that this demographic is a very loyal voting block.
He's right. I don't understand the South at all. I ain't feel safe there either.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Capn'O wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Charles Blow, the African American NY Times columnist who has addressed this issue, pointed out that the older AAs down south remember Hillary from her days as Arkansas' First Lady when she apparently did a lot of work on behalf of the them and that this demographic is a very loyal voting block.
He's right. I don't understand the South at all. I ain't feel safe there either.
Check these short vids out if you have the chance.
https://www.facebook.com/CharlesMBlow/videos/10154501032254989/
https://www.facebook.com/CharlesMBlow/videos/10154508684424989/
Op-ed
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/opinion/campaign-stops/clinton-sanders-and-southern-voters.html?_r=0
Greenie wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:Greenie wrote:FUQ YOU CLYDE
i gotta say Im pretty disappointed in you Greenie
If you are gonna make inflammatory statements and then cry when people respond and then freak out when people call you on it and then cry to mods for help and then to be banned and then swear at people you really are not the poster I had hoped you were
i think you need to take a break and calm yourself down
I need a break. A permanent one from here when I'm basically told blacks can't feel that the KKK and Nazi treatment equate. It's OK. Blacks feelings on their history has always been frowned upon. Our feelings can't be as strong as others. Toughn the hell up.
Hit that permaban
NoLayupRule wrote:Greenie wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:i gotta say Im pretty disappointed in you Greenie
If you are gonna make inflammatory statements and then cry when people respond and then freak out when people call you on it and then cry to mods for help and then to be banned and then swear at people you really are not the poster I had hoped you were
i think you need to take a break and calm yourself down
I need a break. A permanent one from here when I'm basically told blacks can't feel that the KKK and Nazi treatment equate. It's OK. Blacks feelings on their history has always been frowned upon. Our feelings can't be as strong as others. Toughn the hell up.
Hit that permaban
I've never seen that said
not once
CJackson wrote:Greenie wrote:CJackson wrote:
Nobody has excused lynchings or the KKK's history. Where do you get the idea that anyone has said such a thing? That's what I asked.
Have you ever done anything bad in your life?
I've made mistakes. Haven't you?
And don't you have any belief that the final measure of a person does become how they dealt with their past and who they became?
Were you a perfect person out of the womb and did you stay pure ever since or have you stumbled?
I have stumbled. I've dusted myself off too.
In Byrd's case, nobody for one second forgave his past affiliation with the klan, but he changed. I know you don't forgive anybody even after they admit a mistake so does that mean you don't forgive yourself for your mistakes? That sounds rough. I wouldn't wish that on you. Really
Let me get this straight. You're equating Klan membership to everyday mistakes?
Wow!!!!
No, I am not.
But bias as an attitude has its roots in the commitment to staying angry for the sake of stoking anger, not on achieving any understanding.
Byrd said:
"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
He never asked anyone to bury his past. He didn't hide from it.
Consistently relying on false equivalences is how to promote bias, not resolve it and equating a man who willingly acknowledges their sins and then does good to Adolf Hitler is just sad.
That you are using this terrible analogy to further promote yet another false equivalence as proof that Clinton's attack on Trump's racialist campaign tactics is morally null and void really deflates any moral authority your argument attempts to make.
AndroidMan wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3758347/Trump-says-border-wall-35-45-FEET-high.html
Donald Trump said he had 'no choice' but to build the 1,000-mile long concrete wall along the Mexican border
The Republican candidate reiterated his plans for the structure, which he said could be '35-45 feet high' - but in October he proposed 40-50 feet
He claims it will be built 'so fast it'll make your head spin'
The businessman added there will be 'no amnesty' for illegal immigrants, in the town hall with Fox News on Wednesday
'We have a trade deficit with Mexico of close to $60 billion a year. So right there you can build the wall because the wall's a fraction of that,' Trump said in a separate Fox News interview on Tuesday.
'We lose a fortune on trade, and that doesn't include the drugs that are pouring across the border, which are probably double or triple or something.'
