Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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He is...? Why, yes, he is. According to http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/ House and Ochefu are also under contract for the year. But maybe the site is just listing the terms of their contracts if in fact they make it out of camp.

I see that if House and Ochefu do make the team, we are at 15 players, a full roster, at a cost of $103.4m (including the $2.5m we still owe Martell). 7th highest in the league -- for a roster that IMO will be lucky to win 40 games.

[dckingsfan]

He is...? Why, yes, he is. According to http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/ House and Ochefu are also under contract for the year. But maybe the site is just listing the terms of their contracts if in fact they make it out of camp.

I see that if House and Ochefu do make the team, we are at 15 players, a full roster, at a cost of $103.4m (including the $2.5m we still owe Martell). 7th highest in the league -- for a roster that IMO will be lucky to win 40 games.

You mean 41 games right! I could see us being a .500 team again!

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No I meant 40 games, and I meant we'd "be lucky to win 40 games," not that I project us to win that many.

But, I haven't worked through any final projection, so that's tentative. OTOH, injuries to one or more of Wall, Gortat & Porter, and we could be a lot worse than a 40-win team!

[gambitx777]

He is...? Why, yes, he is. According to http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/ House and Ochefu are also under contract for the year. But maybe the site is just listing the terms of their contracts if in fact they make it out of camp.

I see that if House and Ochefu do make the team, we are at 15 players, a full roster, at a cost of $103.4m (including the $2.5m we still owe Martell). 7th highest in the league -- for a roster that IMO will be lucky to win 40 games.

we can still waive Eddie, he worked out an extension with EG for the deadline to waive or guarantee his deal. and all those young guys on multi year camp invite type deals, are at such a low guaranteed money they are essentially unguaranteed. SO if they don't show up in camp those guys can be cut. Eddie can still be waived but they don't want to let him go if they don't find better options.

Can we all be a little more positive.

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Gambit -- I love that you're so positive. I only wish it made sense.

Still, you are so positive that I figure if I average myself together with you, the two of us wind up on the positive side of the ledger all the same, so I use that to justify myself that I'm ok.

Go Wizards!

[SizzlinSimms]

I'd trade full house for Cousins. Wall & Cousins would be perfect to build around. Don't care if Beal, Porter, etc.

[gambitx777]

Gambit -- I love that you're so positive. I only wish it made sense.

Still, you are so positive that I figure if I average myself together with you, the two of us wind up on the positive side of the ledger all the same, so I use that to justify myself that I'm ok.

Go Wizards!

I can live with that ! Also Looks like the Celtic have hit that awkward moment when hoarding assets and you run out of spots on the team to keep them all. I would be down to trade eddie or future second for Hunter or young. Eddie because they can cut him for nothing. Young and Hunter are both on guaranteed deals so if they have to cut them they have to pay the full deals. It would make more sense to trade someone before then.

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...Looks like the Celtic have hit that awkward moment when hoarding assets and you run out of spots on the team to keep them all. I would be down to trade eddie or future second for Hunter or young. Eddie because they can cut him for nothing. Young and Hunter are both on guaranteed deals so if they have to cut them they have to pay the full deals. It would make more sense to trade someone before then.

Gambit -- that's by no means an "awkward moment" the Celtics are in. It's a great spot -- if those assets have value, and in this case they do.

They have 19 guys, but 2 of them are camp fodder (georges-hunt and holland). Bentil is unlikely to make the team, but if he shows extremely well in camp he'll be tradable for a R2 pick. Gerald Green signed for 1 year/$1.4m -- he's another guy you might be able to trade for a R2 pick. Jerebko is expiring, and he too is a tradable asset.

If you think they'll trade Young or Hunter for Eddie, man... you really are a dreamer!

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I wouldn't give up the GOAT towel waver for Young

Eddie brings solidarity and heightens morale, we need this if we are going to make the finals

[dckingsfan]

If we are going to make a trade - it needs to be for either Wall or Beal. SizzlinSimms idea of Beal and Oubre + ? for Cousins.

[pcbothwel]

i know everyone is bored, but I just dont see the reason for any trade.
- We are trying to compete this year
- We just hired a new coach and want to see how the young guys respond.
- Wall's value is low (relatively) with the recent comments and knee injury
- Beals value is low due to underachievement, injury's, and contract.

Assuming we elect to trade one next year, Walls value will be high assuming no further injury and Beals value will actually be higher assuming even minimal improvements so long as he doesnt miss more than 15-20 games.

There is going to be a lot of money available next year, but LeBron and Westbrook took some of the air out of the balloon. Now, it appears Curry and Griffin are locks to resign and KD will probably do the same.
It really becomes Rose, Ibaka, Hayward, Teague, Holiday, and Galinari....ehhh

Beal can be moved in that environment

[Dat2U]

If the Wizards & Knicks are struggling in December...

Carmelo Anthony & Brandon Jennings for Bradley Beal & Trey Burke. I'd move Melo to the 4, Mahinmi into the starting lineup to protect Melo on defense and hope Sato can handle a starting role at the 2. The Knicks may do it because they'll get much younger as Beal & Porzingis can grow together.

G John Wall ... Brandon Jennings
G Tomas Satoransky ... Marcus Thornton ... Jarell Eddie
F Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Danuel House
F Carmelo Anthony ... Markieff Morris ... Andrew Nicholson
C Ian Mahinmi ... Marcin Gortat ... Jason Smith

[Ruzious]

If the Wizards & Knicks are struggling in December...

Carmelo Anthony & Brandon Jennings for Bradley Beal & Trey Burke. I'd move Melo to the 4, Mahinmi into the starting lineup to protect Melo on defense and hope Sato can handle a starting role at the 2. The Knicks may do it because they'll get much younger as Beal & Porzingis can grow together.

G John Wall ... Brandon Jennings
G Tomas Satoransky ... Marcus Thornton ... Jarell Eddie
F Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Danuel House
F Carmelo Anthony ... Markieff Morris ... Andrew Nicholson
C Ian Mahinmi ... Marcin Gortat ... Jason Smith

Don't you know that Beal is one of the top young players in the game? Ask him and he'll tell you.

I'd be inclined to do that, but Melo has said he doesn't want to play in DC.

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If we are going to make a trade - it needs to be for either Wall or Beal. SizzlinSimms idea of Beal and Oubre + ? for Cousins.

I've always been against trading to get Cousins -- but Beal's new salary changes things dramatically for me. Beal for Cousins straight up if it works on the trade machine. Better yet if we were able to get one of their 3 young bigs as well -- Cauley-Stein, Labissiere or Papagiannis. Or, if the salaries need to be brought closer for the deal to work, how about this? Beal for DMC and Temple --

Start Cousins at the 4 not 5.

Then, as soon as it's possible in December, trade Mahinmi for a good SG. If possible dump Morris in that trade (and Smith if it can be managed).

All a fantasy of course.... But, we'd be a better team, we'd be an extremely marketable team b/c of the Wall-Cousins connection, and anyway it couldn't be much worse than the way we're wasting our time right now.

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If the Wizards & Knicks are struggling in December...

Carmelo Anthony & Brandon Jennings for Bradley Beal & Trey Burke. I'd move Melo to the 4, Mahinmi into the starting lineup to protect Melo on defense and hope Sato can handle a starting role at the 2. The Knicks may do it because they'll get much younger as Beal & Porzingis can grow together.

G John Wall ... Brandon Jennings
G Tomas Satoransky ... Marcus Thornton ... Jarell Eddie
F Otto Porter Jr ... Kelly Oubre Jr ... Danuel House
F Carmelo Anthony ... Markieff Morris ... Andrew Nicholson
C Ian Mahinmi ... Marcin Gortat ... Jason Smith

Jennings - tho he never lived up to the hype on him - has been better than Burke, no question. But he's actually already started to slide in productivity. Kid started playing pro ball in Europe at 19. With Burke, at least there's a slim chance (ok, very slim) that he develops. For that reason I'd rather have Burke than Jennings. Especially given that if Burke does develop we can keep him easily.

Carmelo - he has never been the great player people somehow think he is, but he's still very good. As a 3. I don't think you can put a guy who gets 8 boards per 40 and has a .53 TS% at the 4. You are giving up too much.

We could start Carmelo at the 3 of course. But I wouldn't want to sit Porter at this point in his career. So I don't see a lot of good coming out of this trade -- except that we shed some salary starting in '19.

What if it was Beal and Porter for Carmelo and Porzingis?

[dckingsfan]

If we are going to make a trade - it needs to be for either Wall or Beal. SizzlinSimms idea of Beal and Oubre + ? for Cousins.

I've always been against trading to get Cousins -- but Beal's new salary changes things dramatically for me. Beal for Cousins straight up if it works on the trade machine. Better yet if we were able to get one of their 3 young bigs as well -- Cauley-Stein, Labissiere or Papagiannis. Or, if the salaries need to be brought closer for the deal to work, how about this? Beal for DMC and Temple --

Yep, violent agreement there.

Start Cousins at the 4 not 5.

Agreement there too... he is a good defender, especially when he focuses on his defensive rebounding.

Then, as soon as it's possible in December, trade Mahinmi for a good SG. If possible dump Morris in that trade (and Smith if it can be managed).

Sweet!

All a fantasy of course.... But, we'd be a better team, we'd be an extremely marketable team b/c of the Wall-Cousins connection, and anyway it couldn't be much worse than the way we're wasting our time right now.

As long as we are doing fantasy - EG goes at the same time!

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...What if it was Beal and Porter for Carmelo and Porzingis?

Better yet -- Beal and Oubre for Carmelo and Porzingis.

It's just a question of how dumb the Knicks FO has become, right?

[verbal8]

If we are going to make a trade - it needs to be for either Wall or Beal. SizzlinSimms idea of Beal and Oubre + ? for Cousins.

I've always been against trading to get Cousins -- but Beal's new salary changes things dramatically for me. Beal for Cousins straight up if it works on the trade machine. Better yet if we were able to get one of their 3 young bigs as well -- Cauley-Stein, Labissiere or Papagiannis. Or, if the salaries need to be brought closer for the deal to work, how about this? Beal for DMC and Temple --

Start Cousins at the 4 not 5.

Then, as soon as it's possible in December, trade Mahinmi for a good SG. If possible dump Morris in that trade (and Smith if it can be managed).

All a fantasy of course.... But, we'd be a better team, we'd be an extremely marketable team b/c of the Wall-Cousins connection, and anyway it couldn't be much worse than the way we're wasting our time right now.

I think Beal/Gortat for Cousins/filler could make sense. The problems is filler from the Kings is going to be a negative in he deal - like Rudy Gay. In a wierd way a deal for Cousins would make getting Mahinmi not as bad. Betweeen foul trouble, suspensions and possibly bolting via free agency - having a highly paid productive back-up center isn't as bad as it is now with an "Iron Man" like Gortat as the starter.

[gambitx777]

...Looks like the Celtic have hit that awkward moment when hoarding assets and you run out of spots on the team to keep them all. I would be down to trade eddie or future second for Hunter or young. Eddie because they can cut him for nothing. Young and Hunter are both on guaranteed deals so if they have to cut them they have to pay the full deals. It would make more sense to trade someone before then.

Gambit -- that's by no means an "awkward moment" the Celtics are in. It's a great spot -- if those assets have value, and in this case they do.

They have 19 guys, but 2 of them are camp fodder (georges-hunt and holland). Bentil is unlikely to make the team, but if he shows extremely well in camp he'll be tradable for a R2 pick. Gerald Green signed for 1 year/$1.4m -- he's another guy you might be able to trade for a R2 pick. Jerebko is expiring, and he too is a tradable asset.

If you think they'll trade Young or Hunter for Eddie, man... you really are a dreamer!

If they want to keep green and Jerebko, and just want to save the money, yeah they could. when I said trade someone I was talking about the guys you mentioned too. It all comes down to their mindset, and who they like. From the reports that I read, its down to 3 or 4 guys to make that last spot, and two of them have guaranteed deals. If your mind is made up on the other 14, and you have to choose between eating that money or sacking it off to get a fodder guy with a non guaranteed deal or a second, that is a reasonable deal to look at if that is your mindset.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When are you guys going to accept what I've been saying for many years?

Boogie Cousins is better than Wall.

You can't trade Beal for Cousins. You can't trade Beal and Gortat for Cousins. You very likely can't even trade Wall straight up for Cousins.



(I drop the mic and walk off now ...)