Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread - Uncle B To The Rescue (Recovery Part XIIII)

[dancing2thabeet]

Out:

DWade
Deng
JJ


In:

DWaiters
Ellington
DWilliams
JJohnson


We should be fine!

It sounds a lot more depressing than it actually is when you put it in a vacuum like that.

I would rather have playoff no show johnson than those 4...lol. Jj couldnt get minutes behind an injured carrol. Elington is tank master and the rest..please. They only have place in nba because theres a cap to fill

I agree but I think the only player here getting rotational minutes will be Waiters. Still depressing, but not nearly as much.

[Mars]

Dragic without Wade

Barry Jackson | Miami Herald
Sunday Buzz Column
Aug 27, 2016

The Heat will expect Goran Dragic to be more assertive offensively without Dwyane Wade.

So how did Dragic play without Wade?

Since joining the Heat, Dragic has averaged 14.8 points and 5.7 assists and shot 48.3 percent overall.

In the eight games he played without Wade, he produced bigger numbers (17.6 points, 6.6 assists) but shot worse (43.2 percent).

Erik Spoelstra, who likes to strengthen relationships with his players during the summer, is visiting Dragic in Slovenia this weekend. And Spoelstra said on a Heat video released Friday that he wants to accommodate Dragic's preferred style of play.

"It only makes sense for us to maximize Goran's strengths, and Hassan [Whiteside's] strengths, Justise Winslow's strengths," Spoelstra said. "Their strengths are their speed, their athleticism. Goran is one of the best fast-break, transition point guards in this game. He will force tempo regardless of how you want to play or how you want to defend. Goran is going to run....

"You don't find many players that can attack, that can play fast, that can make other players better in that type of game. And he's relentless in getting to the rim. And Goran is that kind of player. And I think young players gravitate to Goran. They want to play that style."

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[twix2500]

Dragic without Wade

Barry Jackson | Miami Herald
Sunday Buzz Column
Aug 27, 2016

The Heat will expect Goran Dragic to be more assertive offensively without Dwyane Wade.

So how did Dragic play without Wade?

Since joining the Heat, Dragic has averaged 14.8 points and 5.7 assists and shot 48.3 percent overall.

In the eight games he played without Wade, he produced bigger numbers (17.6 points, 6.6 assists) but shot worse (43.2 percent).

Erik Spoelstra, who likes to strengthen relationships with his players during the summer, is visiting Dragic in Slovenia this weekend. And Spoelstra said on a Heat video released Friday that he wants to accommodate Dragic's preferred style of play.

"It only makes sense for us to maximize Goran's strengths, and Hassan [Whiteside's] strengths, Justise Winslow's strengths," Spoelstra said. "Their strengths are their speed, their athleticism. Goran is one of the best fast-break, transition point guards in this game. He will force tempo regardless of how you want to play or how you want to defend. Goran is going to run....

"You don't find many players that can attack, that can play fast, that can make other players better in that type of game. And he's relentless in getting to the rim. And Goran is that kind of player. And I think young players gravitate to Goran. They want to play that style."

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Big question does Goran make other players better. Can he excell in other areas of his game beside the pick and roll. He showed a lot of progress at finding other ways to score for himself during the playoffs. With out Joe and Dwayne the Heat now have less players who has the ability to create on their own and has to be created for.

[kyphi]

the Dragon can do it

[Mars]

Big question does Goran make other players better. Can he excell in other areas of his game beside the pick and roll. He showed a lot of progress at finding other ways to score for himself during the playoffs. With out Joe and Dwayne the Heat now have less players who has the ability to create on their own and has to be created for.

The need for multiple shot creators isn't that significant during an NBA regular season. The playoffs is where it becomes vital if there’s any hope of a team advancing.

Isaiah Thomas was the only player on Boston who consistently created his own shot and the Celtics excelled in the regular season last year (where it bit them was in the playoffs).

Brad Stevens accomplished this with constant ball/player movement in the half-court and by letting his young guys get out and run at every possible opportunity, resulting in the third fastest offensive pace in the league. They also defensively harassed their opponents.

Fairly certain that will be Spo's blueprint this season...

• Constant ball/player movement in the half-court (no iso-ball)
• Young, athletic squad pushing the ball in transition at every opportunity (made or missed baskets)
• Get into teams defensively (switch, disrupt, create turnovers, get back in transition).

[twix2500]

Big question does Goran make other players better. Can he excell in other areas of his game beside the pick and roll. He showed a lot of progress at finding other ways to score for himself during the playoffs. With out Joe and Dwayne the Heat now have less players who has the ability to create on their own and has to be created for.

The need for multiple shot creators isn't that significant during an NBA regular season. The playoffs is where it becomes vital if there’s any hope of a team advancing.

Isaiah Thomas was the only player on Boston who consistently created his own shot and the Celtics excelled in the regular season last year (where it bit them was in the playoffs).

Brad Stevens accomplished this with constant ball/player movement in the halfcourt and by letting his young guys get out and run at every possible opportunity, resulting in the third fastest offensive pace in the league. They also defensively harassed their opponents.

Fairly certain that will be Spo's blueprint this season...

• Constant ball/player movement in the halfcourt (no iso-ball)
• Young, athletic squad pushing the ball in transition at every opportunity (made or missed baskets)
• Get into teams defensively (switch, disrupt, create turnovers, get back in transition).

I understand what the Celtics did as a team. I was talking about Dragic as an individual.

[Mars]

I understand what the Celtics did as a team. I was talking about Dragic as an individual.

My point was I don't think Spo is going to rely on Dragic as the sole "individual" that creates for the team. My sense is he'll instruct Dragic to aggressively push the ball to get them into transition.

If nothing materializes in transition, the ball will now be in Goran's hands to initiate the offense in the half-court by attacking the basket, swinging the ball, moving the defense. Ball/player movement creating shot opportunities... much like Brad Stevens, Isaiah Thomas, and the Celitcs.

Wade and Joe did all the creating because their offense was entirely predicated on slow, methodical isolation basketball which required a high usage rate for both players.

The days of walking it up the court, pounding the ball for 18 seconds, milking the shot clock while surveying the floor to make a play, iso-basketball possessions are gone. So are the days of Dragic standing in the corner as a spectator watching those very same iso-possessions.

[eddieheatfan]

I understand what the Celtics did as a team. I was talking about Dragic as an individual.

My point was I don't think Spo is going to rely on Dragic as the sole "individual" that creates for the team. My sense is he'll instruct Dragic to aggressively push the ball to get them into transition.

If nothing materializes in transition, the ball will now be in Goran's hands to initiate the offense in the half-court by attacking the basket, swinging the ball, moving the defense. Ball/player movement creating shot opportunities... much like Brad Stevens, Isaiah Thomas, and the Celitcs.

Wade and Joe did all the creating because their offense was entirely predicated on slow, methodical isolation basketball which required a high usage rate for both players.

The walking it up the court, pounding the ball for 18 seconds, milking the shot clock while surveying the floor to make a play, days of iso-basketball possessions are gone. So are the days of Dragic standing in the corner as a spectator watching those very same iso-possessions.

amen!

[Bishop45]

Man Bosh would be a promised 6MOTY

Watch on YouTube

PS, Nick if your reading, your mix sucks. Sorry

[twix2500]

I understand what the Celtics did as a team. I was talking about Dragic as an individual.

My point was I don't think Spo is going to rely on Dragic as the sole "individual" that creates for the team. My sense is he'll instruct Dragic to aggressively push the ball to get them into transition.

If nothing materializes in transition, the ball will now be in Goran's hands to initiate the offense in the half-court by attacking the basket, swinging the ball, moving the defense. Ball/player movement creating shot opportunities... much like Brad Stevens, Isaiah Thomas, and the Celitcs.

Wade and Joe did all the creating because their offense was entirely predicated on slow, methodical isolation basketball which required a high usage rate for both players.

The days of walking it up the court, pounding the ball for 18 seconds, milking the shot clock while surveying the floor to make a play, iso-basketball possessions are gone. So are the days of Dragic standing in the corner as a spectator watching those very same iso-possessions.

They are not gone, the Cavs won with two players dominating the dribble. Hell the 3 of top four teams in the playoffs used players who dominated the ball. Schemes can be beating by scheme. Players improvising breaks schemes. At the end of the day its about efficiency.

[Mars]

They are not gone, the Cavs won with two players dominating the dribble. Hell the 3 of top four teams in the playoffs used players who dominated the ball. Schemes can be beating by scheme. Players improvising breaks schemes. At the end of the day its about efficiency.

Those days are certainly gone for this team as currently constructed...

I'm assuming your three playoff teams with players who regularly "dominated the dribble" are Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC (the fourth team who didn't do this must be the Spurs). Meaning the players with the ball in their hands making decisions were the likes of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant and Westbrook.

If the HEAT had even one perimeter player the caliber of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant or Westbrook, Spo would let them be as ball dominant as they wanted and iso to their heart's content, because they're all elite enough talent for the end result to be some semblance of winning basketball.

This current HEAT squad no longer has that luxury. They'll primarily stick to system ball like the Spurs, Celtics, Hawks, and teams of that ilk who follow a similar strategy.

Will the HEAT occasionally have a hand full of designed iso plays or break off into random isos out of necessity? Of course they will... it's still basketball.

Will it be a steady diet of ball pounding, clock killing isos the likes of Wade and Joe?... not a chance.

Spo will have the HEAT playing system basketball until they acquire elite players both talented and efficient enough to be trusted to consistently break plays and improvise.

[twix2500]

They are not gone, the Cavs won with two players dominating the dribble. Hell the 3 of top four teams in the playoffs used players who dominated the ball. Schemes can be beating by scheme. Players improvising breaks schemes. At the end of the day its about efficiency.

Those days are certainly gone for this team as currently constructed...

I'm assuming your three playoff teams with players who regularly "dominated the dribble" are Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC (the fourth team who didn't do this must be the Spurs). Meaning the players with the ball in their hands making decisions were the likes of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant and Westbrook.

If the HEAT had even one perimeter player the caliber of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant or Westbrook, Spo would let them be as ball dominant as they wanted and iso to their heart's content, because they're all elite enough talent for the end result to be some semblance of winning basketball.

This current HEAT squad no longer has that luxury. They'll primarily stick to system ball like the Spurs, Celtics, Hawks, and teams of that ilk who follow a similar strategy.

Will the HEAT occasionally have a hand full of designed iso plays or break off into random isos out of necessity? Of course they will... it's still basketball.

Will it be a steady diet of ball pounding, clock killing isos the likes of Wade and Joe?... not a chance.

Spo will have the HEAT playing system basketball until they acquire elite players both talented and efficient enough to be trusted to consistently break plays and improvise.

The top four teams in the playoffs were Warriors, Cavs, Thunder and Raptors. The three teams that utilized a ball dominate player was Raps, Cavs and Thunder. Celtics offense was not particularly good, and neither were the Raps. It was their defense that got them into early shots. If you scored on Boston efficiently their offense was garbo very easy to defend. Yes you would like to be a fast pace team, but its very unique for a team to be so without being a dominate turnover style defense. If Miami offense is to be effective in the halfcourt, plays need to be designed to get Dragic and Bosh the ball to draw double teams (as of right now the only players who can draw doubles). In order for passing to be effective, player or players have to be able to draw double teams.

Outside of Curry and Thompson incredible ability to shoot from 4o feet out. Golden State scheme of moving the ball around was very relied apon setting illegal schemes which is a replacement for drawing double teams. Spurs scheme was successful because they had so many players who can score from anywhere on the court.

[Bishop45]

Whiteside's still a pretty big draw, Don't know what most of what has to do with Dragic's effectiveness or ability to make players better

[twix2500]

Whiteside's still a pretty big draw, Don't know what most of what has to do with Dragic's effectiveness or ability to make players better

Draw what? doubles or singles?

[Bishop45]

Whiteside's still a pretty big draw, Don't know what most of what has to do with Dragic's effectiveness or ability to make players better

Draw what? doubles or singles?

So Whiteside doesn't draw multiple defenders?

[cyclix]

Josh Richardson the next great SG.

Watch on YouTube

[QUIZ]

Man Bosh would be a promised 6MOTY

Watch on YouTube

PS, Nick if your reading, your mix sucks. Sorry

He would be, something like 25mpg. Just bring him off the bench at center with a super small lineup and let him wreak havoc on backup bigs.

[Hallstar]

Whiteside's still a pretty big draw, Don't know what most of what has to do with Dragic's effectiveness or ability to make players better

Draw what? doubles or singles?

So Whiteside doesn't draw multiple defenders?

Only a benefit if he passes more..otherwise it's been a bad shot or turnover.

[Hallstar]

They are not gone, the Cavs won with two players dominating the dribble. Hell the 3 of top four teams in the playoffs used players who dominated the ball. Schemes can be beating by scheme. Players improvising breaks schemes. At the end of the day its about efficiency.

Those days are certainly gone for this team as currently constructed...

I'm assuming your three playoff teams with players who regularly "dominated the dribble" are Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC (the fourth team who didn't do this must be the Spurs). Meaning the players with the ball in their hands making decisions were the likes of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant and Westbrook.

If the HEAT had even one perimeter player the caliber of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant or Westbrook, Spo would let them be as ball dominant as they wanted and iso to their heart's content, because they're all elite enough talent for the end result to be some semblance of winning basketball.

This current HEAT squad no longer has that luxury. They'll primarily stick to system ball like the Spurs, Celtics, Hawks, and teams of that ilk who follow a similar strategy.

Will the HEAT occasionally have a hand full of designed iso plays or break off into random isos out of necessity? Of course they will... it's still basketball.

Will it be a steady diet of ball pounding, clock killing isos the likes of Wade and Joe?... not a chance.

Spo will have the HEAT playing system basketball until they acquire elite players both talented and efficient enough to be trusted to consistently break plays and improvise.

I think you're severely overrating the amount of "clock killing isos". Wade/Joe always kept the ball moving except in a couple situations here and there and late 4th of a close game.

And those are default for most teams.

I've seen Dragic pass the ball to Richardson when games slowed down and ran in the corner. I doubt that's what Spo planned, he just doesn't look comfortable in the halfcourt.

My problem is when friggin Waiters becomes our go to scorer in crunch time

[KingDavid]

They are not gone, the Cavs won with two players dominating the dribble. Hell the 3 of top four teams in the playoffs used players who dominated the ball. Schemes can be beating by scheme. Players improvising breaks schemes. At the end of the day its about efficiency.

Those days are certainly gone for this team as currently constructed...

I'm assuming your three playoff teams with players who regularly "dominated the dribble" are Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC (the fourth team who didn't do this must be the Spurs). Meaning the players with the ball in their hands making decisions were the likes of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant and Westbrook.

If the HEAT had even one perimeter player the caliber of LeBron, Kyrie, Steph, Klay, Durant or Westbrook, Spo would let them be as ball dominant as they wanted and iso to their heart's content, because they're all elite enough talent for the end result to be some semblance of winning basketball.

This current HEAT squad no longer has that luxury. They'll primarily stick to system ball like the Spurs, Celtics, Hawks, and teams of that ilk who follow a similar strategy.

Will the HEAT occasionally have a hand full of designed iso plays or break off into random isos out of necessity? Of course they will... it's still basketball.

Will it be a steady diet of ball pounding, clock killing isos the likes of Wade and Joe?... not a chance.

Spo will have the HEAT playing system basketball until they acquire elite players both talented and efficient enough to be trusted to consistently break plays and improvise.

I think you're severely overrating the amount of "clock killing isos". Wade/Joe always kept the ball moving except in a couple situations here and there and late 4th of a close game.

And those are default for most teams.

I've seen Dragic pass the ball to Richardson when games slowed down and ran in the corner. I doubt that's what Spo planned, he just doesn't look comfortable in the halfcourt.

My problem is when friggin Waiters becomes our go to scorer in crunch time

Actually, Wade had a high usage rate. His assist number to usage rate kind of reflect that.

Wade is one of the best off ball guards in the game. If he's hogging, it means he has no playmaker or distributor that he trusts who consistently break down a defense and find him or others. That's Dragic in a nutshell. Maybe Dragic needs more usage to play his way? Idk. But we'll see real soon.