Knicks, Celtics, Raptors, or Sixers situation

[nykballa2k4]

How can you not want to be all in on KP being a superstar?

If he is, then all the other calculations don't really stack up against having one of the league's truly great players.

And as a fan isn't having a guy who can dominate both ends of the court a long-held dream?

Even if it doesn't pan out, just having a clear shot at that is worth more to me than what the Sixers or Celtics have got.

Right now KP is the best young talent in the division. The Celtics appear to not make the greatest draft picks, but they have the most opportunity. The Nets could really screw the Celtics if they were able to be, say, 7th to the worst in the league (which would be challenging for them). The Sixers situation is a giant ?. Is Embiid healthy? If he is, he may be the best competition for KP in terms of best young talent. Sixers certainly have a great deal of upside with Simmons and their young big men, but it will take until December to know how to feel about them.

I like the situation the Knicks are in. We have the best player in the division (Melo) and the best young player in the division (KP). We also will have cap flex to work on our pg situation next season. If we look mediocre, we will be able to fire-sale and make a good pick again this summer. We have options. Can't be upset.

I like the knicks situation. Celtics are in a great position, but I dont feel they will maximally capitolize on it. Time will tell.

If our team is healthy we are easily the 2nd most talented team in the conference making us the leading threat vs the Cavs. Obviously, the reason we got the guys we got at a discount is because of that health caveat.

It's gonna be a fun ride.

[Sark]

Celtics. Good contracts plus those Nets picks......

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

They've only used 1 so far....

[Thugger HBC]

The Celtics have been a really good squad even without using those assets. Rather funny to diss the Celtics when they've found ways to win games and collect assets. Knicks have yet to do either.

With Horford in tow, I think they have improved even more. 2nd best team in the East imo.

The acquired picks are a bonus that has a lot of advantages and options as well.

Out of the four teams mentioned the Knicks situation is third. The Raptors have reached their peak, being in the ECF is a solid accomplishment, they might reach it again but I doubt it, either way as constructed they are better from front office to the roster. Hard to dismiss a team with two all-stars on it.

The Celtics already have a top 10 defense, and can score with anyone on any given night. Just ask GS who gave them their 1st L at home last year. Front office that knows how to build a competitive team with a chance to win and has a superb coach. Knicks fall short here as well.

The Knicks have more question marks than the previous two mentioned teams. A lot will have to go the Knicks way just to be a good club, but the future is good considering all 1st rounders are under our control. But there is a danger laying a huge amount of hope on one players shoulders., which is why I do think Phil built the team so that pressure isn't squarely on Porzingis shoulders.

[magnumt]

Celtics. Good contracts plus those Nets picks......

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

They've only used 1 so far....

...And again I repeat: to which they've done nothing with so far.

If it were up to the Ainge alone, he'd have Westbrook and Griffin/Cousins, to go along with Thomas & Horford.

Buuuuuuuut, so far, all these years of having multiple picks (in many years as many as FIVE or more), they have resulted in diddly-sqaut ( Fab-Melo).

--Mags

[magnumt]

I would want the Celtics. Brad Stevens is going to be the best coach in the NBA soon.

They used to say the same things about Lawrence Frank & Byron Scott.

--Mags

[islanders11040]

Celtics. Good contracts plus those Nets picks......

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

Knicks have done nothing with their 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. A fail? According to what your implying, thats what it seems.

[magnumt]

Celtics. Good contracts plus those Nets picks......

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

Knicks have done nothing with their 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. A fail? According to what your implying, thats what it seems.

Knicks haven't had on average about five picks for years in a row like the Celtics had.

We (and the League) keep hearing about all of these assets, but like I said above...They haven't been cashed in to the fullest. There are even rumors floating around the league that most execs have grown weary of the Celtics supposed assets, and think them overvalued.

Remember how many were also falling over themselves here and in the media a couple of years ago with their Fab Melo draft (where they had 3 or more picks then)? Same sh*t all over again this time around.

--Mags

[Sark]

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

They've only used 1 so far....

...And again I repeat: to which they've done nothing with so far.

If it were up to the Ainge alone, he'd have Westbrook and Griffin/Cousins, to go along with Thomas & Horford.

Buuuuuuuut, so far, all these years of having multiple picks (in many years as many as FIVE or more), they have resulted in diddly-sqaut ( Fab-Melo).

--Mags

Poor Celtics. They can't use their time machine to make 2017 and 2018 happen RIGHT NOW!

[islanders11040]

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

Knicks have done nothing with their 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. A fail? According to what your implying, thats what it seems.

Knicks haven't had on average about five picks for years in a row like the Celtics had.

We (and the League) keep hearing about all of these assets, but like I said above...They haven't been cashed in to the fullest. There are even rumors floating around the league that most execs have grown weary of the Celtics supposed assets, and think them overvalued.

Remember how many were also falling over themselves here and in the media a couple of years ago with their Fab Melo draft (where they had 3 or more picks then)? Same sh*t all over again this time around.

--Mags

Iman shumpert, Jerian Grant, Tim hardaway jr were all knicks picks in the last 5 years (#17,19,24).

And the only picks i mentioned about the Celtics are the upcoming Nets picks that will most likely be in the top 5. I dont care about their other mid tier picks they have already used up (and definitely not the 22nd pick which usually dont pan out-why keep bringing up late 1st rounder fab melo like he matters). The Nets picks are definitely a boon to their "situation".

Also about Brad Stevens, you arguing that you would rather not have Brad Stevens? Cause if the answer to that question isnt "yes i would rather not have Brad Stevens" then he is a positive. idk why you are arguing against him by bringing up Frank and Scott like they support a argument against Stevens and are relevant.

[Sark]

...Of which, they've done nothing with so far.

--Mags

Knicks have done nothing with their 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. A fail? According to what your implying, thats what it seems.

Knicks haven't had on average about five picks for years in a row like the Celtics had.

We (and the League) keep hearing about all of these assets, but like I said above...They haven't been cashed in to the fullest. There are even rumors floating around the league that most execs have grown weary of the Celtics supposed assets, and think them overvalued.

Remember how many were also falling over themselves here and in the media a couple of years ago with their Fab Melo draft (where they had 3 or more picks then)? Same sh*t all over again this time around.

--Mags

No we didn't. We traded most of our picks for Melo and Bargnani. We just this year finally completed the Melo trade from 2011 with the pick swap.

[nykballa2k4]

Knicks have done nothing with their 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. A fail? According to what your implying, thats what it seems.

Knicks haven't had on average about five picks for years in a row like the Celtics had.

We (and the League) keep hearing about all of these assets, but like I said above...They haven't been cashed in to the fullest. There are even rumors floating around the league that most execs have grown weary of the Celtics supposed assets, and think them overvalued.

Remember how many were also falling over themselves here and in the media a couple of years ago with their Fab Melo draft (where they had 3 or more picks then)? Same sh*t all over again this time around.

--Mags

No we didn't. We traded most of our picks for Melo and Bargnani. We just this year finally completed the Melo trade from 2011 with the pick swap.

Would you trade our rookie-contract players for all the Celtics rookie-contract players combined?

Considering our lack of picks and the Celtics surfeit of picks that shouldn't be a question...

[Sark]

Knicks haven't had on average about five picks for years in a row like the Celtics had.

We (and the League) keep hearing about all of these assets, but like I said above...They haven't been cashed in to the fullest. There are even rumors floating around the league that most execs have grown weary of the Celtics supposed assets, and think them overvalued.

Remember how many were also falling over themselves here and in the media a couple of years ago with their Fab Melo draft (where they had 3 or more picks then)? Same sh*t all over again this time around.

--Mags

No we didn't. We traded most of our picks for Melo and Bargnani. We just this year finally completed the Melo trade from 2011 with the pick swap.

Would you trade our rookie-contract players for all the Celtics rookie-contract players combined?

Considering our lack of picks and the Celtics surfeit of picks that shouldn't be a question...

But that is not what is being asked. Sure KP is better, and has a higher ceiling than anything the Celtics have, but what if he gets injured? What if the Celtics draft Josh Jackson this year. Would you rather have injured KP or Jackson/Brown + 2018 Brooklyn pick.

[dakomish23]

Im not hating on the C's because they're good right now and arguably have some massive picks coming their way in what's projected to be good drafts.

Their best work has been in the players they traded for and signed. Having draft picks is fun to look at till you have to make the selection. So many picks have been garbage

Since 2013 when they made the BKN trade. Only hope is that Brown is a stud and Smart can figure it out. Rozier is a bench guard.

2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić
2016 2 45 Demetrius Jackson
2016 2 51 Ben Bentil
2016 2 58 Abdel Nader
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter
2015 2 33 Jordan Mickey
2015 2 45 Marcus Thornton
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart
2014 1 17 James Young
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira

[nykballa2k4]

No we didn't. We traded most of our picks for Melo and Bargnani. We just this year finally completed the Melo trade from 2011 with the pick swap.

Would you trade our rookie-contract players for all the Celtics rookie-contract players combined?

Considering our lack of picks and the Celtics surfeit of picks that shouldn't be a question...

But that is not what is being asked. Sure KP is better, and has a higher ceiling than anything the Celtics have, but what if he gets injured? What if the Celtics draft Josh Jackson this year. Would you rather have injured KP or Jackson/Brown + 2018 Brooklyn pick.

But that's not what they have. That pick could easily be #3 and they could wind up with a less enthralling player.
What if the pick is #5? There is no promise that those picks will be superstars. sure the odds are in their favor that the pick will be good, but their scouts still have to make the pick. Maybe the Celtics will wise up and trade some of these assets for a win-now piece and quit the Houston Rockets "just you wait" strategy of team building.

If you want to play the injury game... what if the Celtics draft LeBron2.0 and then the kids knee explodes? What if he goes to the club and gets "Early'd"

Right now we have to go by what the teams tangibly have. No one in the division is a contender, but I think we have the most pieces.

[Yankeeknickfan]

Celtics
Knicks
Raptors
Sixers
Nets

[RHODEY]

Right now KP is the best young talent in the division. The Celtics appear to not make the greatest draft picks, but they have the most opportunity. The Nets could really screw the Celtics if they were able to be, say, 7th to the worst in the league (which would be challenging for them). The Sixers situation is a giant ?. Is Embiid healthy? If he is, he may be the best competition for KP in terms of best young talent. Sixers certainly have a great deal of upside with Simmons and their young big men, but it will take until December to know how to feel about them.

I like the situation the Knicks are in. We have the best player in the division (Melo) and the best young player in the division (KP). We also will have cap flex to work on our pg situation next season. If we look mediocre, we will be able to fire-sale and make a good pick again this summer. We have options. Can't be upset.

I like the knicks situation. Celtics are in a great position, but I dont feel they will maximally capitolize on it. Time will tell.

If our team is healthy we are easily the 2nd most talented team in the conference making us the leading threat vs the Cavs. Obviously, the reason we got the guys we got at a discount is because of that health caveat.

It's gonna be a fun ride.

They dont'wan't us All the up!

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[will34]

I would want the Celtics. Brad Stevens is going to be the best coach in the NBA soon.

They used to say the same things about Lawrence Frank & Byron Scott.

--Mags

Stevens is a genius. It was a tremendous hire by Ainge. He's a top 3 coach.

[Marty McFly]

the sixers. and that's not even contingent on whether embiid is healthy or not. simmons, saric, okafor, noel is a **** of potential.

for us, noah, rose, melo will have to stay healthy for this team to get into the playoffs. that's just to get into the playoffs. for us to contend for a championship we're going to need rose to return to his mvp form and for porzingis to get into that all star territory.

what are the odds of all of that occurring for this team?

[GONYK]

the sixers. and that's not even contingent on whether embiid is healthy or not. simmons, saric, okafor, noel is a **** of potential.

for us, noah, rose, melo will have to stay healthy for this team to get into the playoffs. that's just to get into the playoffs. for us to contend for a championship we're going to need rose to return to his mvp form and for porzingis to get into that all star territory.

what are the odds of all of that occurring for this team?

Probably roughly the same as all of the Sixers youth panning out

[Oscirus]

1. Can people please stop injure cursing our rook.
2. For the future the Knicks have Porzingis, Villy and if things go the way that knicks fans hope, a late first rounder next year. Porzingis is good and all but he's not good enough to cover 4 positions.

I'd put the Knicks in the Center after the Celtics and the Sixers.