Who do you expect to under perform?

[EAS Law]

The consensus thoughts from the majority of Magic fans is that we will be fighting for the eighth seed and many think we will ultimately not make it due to many teams in the east getting better. How in the world is that under performing "relative to their own fans' expectations". No one could statistically prove or convince me we will be a bottom feeding team again this season with our new acquisitions and coaching change.

Teams under performing
- Boston
- Detroit

Players under performing
- Jimmy Butler
- Carmelo Anthony

Teams over performing
- Washington
- Minnesota

Players over performing
- Ibaka
- Anderson

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

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I can assure you that we do not have 70 active posters on our board. I'm not sure that data is very sound.

Most Magic fans, even the more optimistic ones, like myself, believe we may or may not sneak into the playoffs. The thought that there are raving Magic fans declaring anything more than that is frankly a huge lie.

If you look at the GB, most people have us finishing third to last or fourth to last, which is fine--but there aren't any expectations for us to fall short of. In fact, most of our board is actually pretty down on all of our guys to the point of discrediting positive abilities of our guys that we've seen for several seasons.

like someone else said, we'll see.

[bondom34]

The consensus thoughts from the majority of Magic fans is that we will be fighting for the eighth seed and many think we will ultimately not make it due to many teams in the east getting better. How in the world is that under performing "relative to their own fans' expectations". No one could statistically prove or convince me we will be a bottom feeding team again this season with our new acquisitions and coaching change.

Teams under performing
- Boston
- Detroit

Players under performing
- Jimmy Butler
- Carmelo Anthony

Teams over performing
- Washington
- Minnesota

Players over performing
- Ibaka
- Anderson

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473828

I can assure you that we do not have 70 active posters on our board. I'm not sure that data is very sound.

Most Magic fans, even the more optimistic ones, like myself, believe we may or may not sneak into the playoffs. The thought that there are raving Magic fans declaring anything more than that is frankly a huge lie.

If you look at the GB, most people have us finishing third to last or fourth to last, which is fine--but there aren't any expectations for us to fall short of. In fact, most of our board is actually pretty down on all of our guys to the point of discrediting positive abilities of our guys that we've seen for several seasons.

like someone else said, we'll see.

Ah, fair enough.

[nomansland]

I'm wary of the hype around Jokic.

[fufofly]

I think it's funny to see Utah fans discount the end of last season as a reason for Portland to be good, while pointing to a stretch from two years ago as the reason they are going to be good. I'll tell you what won't disappoint, the Northwest division is going to be a battle this season I can't wait!!


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The reason is not the stretch from 14-15 season. The only point is health and depth. A healthy utah is better than portland especially for the regular season. As a jazz fan i think portland will still be more dangerous than utah when post season time comes.

[davidfr94]

The Warriors
Simmons
Gobert
Aaron Gordon
The Celtics
Cj mcollum

I almost said myles Turner

[damecurry]

mozgov

Underperform means you had expectation. I don't have much on him.

Team-wise I think Portland, Boston might under perform. Both listed as first choice #3 candidate in their respective conferences, that's very high considering one has depth issue the other one still lacks a league top 10 superstar.

Off topic - Atlanta would be my dark horse pick.

Umm.... Portland has depth issues? Have you seen our depth chart? We are pretty deep at every single position actually (on paper backup pg is a vacuum but we'll be using either mccollum or ET in that role with Crabbe playing 25+ mpg off the bench and Harkless filling on the wing when necessary, we're actually too deep in the frontcourt and kinda need to deal plumlee or davis just to clear up room.) So really not sure what you are referring to here...

[jbk1234]

I think things could get really ugly in Houston this year.

[basketballRob]

The consensus thoughts from the majority of Magic fans is that we will be fighting for the eighth seed and many think we will ultimately not make it due to many teams in the east getting better. How in the world is that under performing "relative to their own fans' expectations". No one could statistically prove or convince me we will be a bottom feeding team again this season with our new acquisitions and coaching change.

Teams under performing
- Boston
- Detroit

Players under performing
- Jimmy Butler
- Carmelo Anthony

Teams over performing
- Washington
- Minnesota

Players over performing
- Ibaka
- Anderson

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473828

100% of Thunder fans think they'll make the playoffs and I think the Magic will be better than them this season.

[bondom34]

The consensus thoughts from the majority of Magic fans is that we will be fighting for the eighth seed and many think we will ultimately not make it due to many teams in the east getting better. How in the world is that under performing "relative to their own fans' expectations". No one could statistically prove or convince me we will be a bottom feeding team again this season with our new acquisitions and coaching change.

Teams under performing
- Boston
- Detroit

Players under performing
- Jimmy Butler
- Carmelo Anthony

Teams over performing
- Washington
- Minnesota

Players over performing
- Ibaka
- Anderson

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473828

100% of Thunder fans think they'll make the playoffs and I think the Magic will be better than them this season.

OK and so do most fans of teams highly likely to?

1. I'll take that bet.

2. Because the Thunder are better than the Magic.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473828

100% of Thunder fans think they'll make the playoffs and I think the Magic will be better than them this season.

OK and so do most fans of teams highly likely to?

1. I'll take that bet.

2. Because the Thunder are better than the Magic.

Westbrook >> Payton
Fournier > Oladipo
Gordon > Singler/Roberson lol
Ibaka > Ily/Sabonis lol
Vuc = Adams

Orlando bench > OKC bench

Vogel > Donovan

[bondom34]

100% of Thunder fans think they'll make the playoffs and I think the Magic will be better than them this season.

OK and so do most fans of teams highly likely to?

1. I'll take that bet.

2. Because the Thunder are better than the Magic.

Westbrook >> Payton
Fournier > Oladipo
Gordon > Singler/Roberson lol
Ibaka > Ily/Sabonis lol
Vuc = Adams

Orlando bench > OKC bench

Vogel > Donovan

lol no, about no chance.

And if you'd realy like to try a sig bet or something I'll go.

Adams is way better than Vuc (Vuc and Kanter maybe), and Gordon is a second year player who in the future may be better, but at this point that hasn't translated to being better than Roberson. Dipo and Fournier are at worst equal. And Donovan's had his team in year 1 as far as Vogel ever did. You're expecting 45 wins out of that Magic roster is quite a leap.

And the bench for Orlando isn't good either.

[mischievous]

Going to say Spurs. I don't think they're the consensus #2 in the West like most people think. Duncan's leadership will be missed immensely.

His defense will also be missed big time. If anyone expects Leonard and Aldrige to lead the Spurs to a title, they are pretty delusional imo. The Spurs are about to go on a long title drought.

[TheTrooper]

Minnesota and Utah.

[MotownMadness]

OK and so do most fans of teams highly likely to?

1. I'll take that bet.

2. Because the Thunder are better than the Magic.

Westbrook >> Payton
Fournier > Oladipo
Gordon > Singler/Roberson lol
Ibaka > Ily/Sabonis lol
Vuc = Adams

Orlando bench > OKC bench

Vogel > Donovan

lol no, about no chance.

And if you'd realy like to try a sig bet or something I'll go.

Adams is way better than Vuc (Vuc and Kanter maybe), and Gordon is a second year player who in the future may be better, but at this point that hasn't translated to being better than Roberson. Dipo and Fournier are at worst equal. And Donovan's had his team in year 1 as far as Vogel ever did. You're expecting 45 wins out of that Magic roster is quite a leap.

And the bench for Orlando isn't good either.

Not to mention that's a completely lazy way to try and compare the two teams from that poster. That's completely discrediting how much of a difference WestBrook makes between the two teams. Orlando has no one even close to being as impactful as Westbrook. OKC is a much better team then Orlando.

[NBAfan3024]

Wolves

Based on their 2K rating

[Magic_Johnny12]

OK and so do most fans of teams highly likely to?

1. I'll take that bet.

2. Because the Thunder are better than the Magic.

Westbrook >> Payton
Fournier > Oladipo
Gordon > Singler/Roberson lol
Ibaka > Ily/Sabonis lol
Vuc = Adams

Orlando bench > OKC bench

Vogel > Donovan

Um, no.

And if you'd realy like to try a sig bet or something I'll go.

Adams is way better than Vuc (Vuc and Kanter maybe), and Gordon is a second year player who in the future may be better, but at this point that hasn't translated to being better than Roberson. Dipo and Fournier are at worst equal. And Donovan's had his team in year 1 as far as Vogel ever did. You're expecting 45 wins out of that Magic roster is quite a leap.

And the bench for Orlando isn't good either.

Um, yes.

Statistically speaking overall Vucevic IS better than Adams (Per Game/PER36/Advanced/WS)

Again, statistically speaking overall Gordon IS the superior player over Roberson (Per Game/PER36/Advanced/WS) even 3pt %

I agree with you slightly on Oladipo and Fournier even though last year was concrete proof that Fournier is the better player.

I don't have to reiterate Vogel's "NBA" accomplishments because they're very well noticed so you discounting him not being the better NBA coach is laughable.

Augustine > Payne (currently)
Hezonja > Morrow
Green > Singler lol
Sabonis > Zimmerman
Biyombo = Kanter (Do you value offense more then defense?)

Bench is not great, but again still better than OKC's

2014-2015 season we won 25 games

2015-2016 season we won 35 games (10 GAME INCREASE) with poor coaching and no major acquisitions, so expecting we will jump another 10 games with a MAJOR coaching change and several big acquisitions and internal development is not farfetched and definitely not a "big leap" in any sense.

[Kings2013]

I think the Warriors themselves. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Altering a dynamic that wasn't broken. I might catch a game or two this year in Oracle though to see

I think this might be the year age catches Chris Paul, and Clips might go down a bit

[bondom34]

Statistically speaking overall Vucevic IS better than Adams (Per Game/PER36/Advanced/WS)

Again, statistically speaking overall Gordon IS the superior player over Roberson (Per Game/PER36/Advanced/WS) even 3pt %

I agree with you slightly on Oladipo and Fournier even though last year was concrete proof that Fournier is the better player.

I don't have to reiterate Vogel's "NBA" accomplishments because they're very well noticed so you discounting him not being the better NBA coach is laughable.

Augustine > Payne (currently)
Hezonja > Morrow
Green > Singler lol
Sabonis > Zimmerman
Biyombo = Kanter (Do you value offense more then defense?)

Bench is not great, but again still better than OKC's

2014-2015 season we won 25 games

2015-2016 season we won 35 games (10 GAME INCREASE) with poor coaching and no major acquisitions, so expecting we will jump another 10 games with a MAJOR coaching change and several big acquisitions and internal development is not farfetched and definitely not a "big leap" in any sense.

Vuc, given defense, isn't close to Adams. Offensively yes he's better. Unfortunately that doesn't make him close to a better player. Check RPM, RAPM, any advanced metrics, I mean its really not even close.

Same for Gordon/Roberson.

And the bench:

Payne was better than DJ last year. Payne was the reason DJ was traded.
Green is sadly better. But also sadly, not by much.
Hezonja vs. Morrow is a wash at best, Mario was a limited rookie.

And odd Biz = Kanter while Vuc is better than Adams, given, you know, you didn't count defense for one.

And yes, I'd be shocked if Orlando won 45 games. I'd be pretty surprised if they were over .500. There's nearly no chance Orlando's better unless there's a significant rash of injury to OKC.

[Andre Roberstan]

The consensus thoughts from the majority of Magic fans is that we will be fighting for the eighth seed and many think we will ultimately not make it due to many teams in the east getting better. How in the world is that under performing "relative to their own fans' expectations". No one could statistically prove or convince me we will be a bottom feeding team again this season with our new acquisitions and coaching change.

Teams under performing
- Boston
- Detroit

Players under performing
- Jimmy Butler
- Carmelo Anthony

Teams over performing
- Washington
- Minnesota

Players over performing
- Ibaka
- Anderson

Might be missing something, but 70 percent of Magic fans on the team's board think they'll make the playoffs.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473828

100% of Thunder fans think they'll make the playoffs and I think the Magic will be better than them this season.

Westbrook almost dragged the most injured roster we've ever had into the playoffs with a top-5 offense. No freakin way.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Hezonja vs. Morrow is a wash at best, Mario was a limited rookie.

I think Hezonja will be better by Morrow by quite a margin - the kid has way more tools.

Also, I would not be shocked at all to see Ilyasova carve out a really good role for himself - he pretty much is the best 3 pt shooter on the roster and will be your stretch 4.