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Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs?

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Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs?

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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#101 » by JF5 » Fri Sep 2, 2016 7:03 am

SOUL wrote:I actually really believe in Payton still. Somehow over the course of the summer his stock is getting lower and lower. I think there are only about 10 people here that really think he will stay on the team more than this year... but people are REALLY overstating how "bad" he is.


He's a really good player... But I had an inkling people were going to turn on him once he wasn't the "shiny new toy" rookie and would get fed up with his weaknesses in his sophomore season . Personally, I still believe in him as I believe he's probably the 2nd best player on the team after Vucevic when healthy. He just needs to have belief from his coach so he can play more consistently and less timidly.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#102 » by SOUL » Fri Sep 2, 2016 7:34 am

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SOUL wrote:I actually really believe in Payton still. Somehow over the course of the summer his stock is getting lower and lower. I think there are only about 10 people here that really think he will stay on the team more than this year... but people are REALLY overstating how "bad" he is.


He's a really good player... But I had an inkling people were going to turn on him once he wasn't the "shiny new toy" rookie and would get fed up with his weaknesses in his sophomore season . Personally, I still believe in him as I believe he's probably the 2nd best player on the team after Vucevic when healthy. He just needs to have belief from his coach so he can play more consistently and less timidly.


Yep.. like I'm not ignorant of his weaknesses and know that he needs to get better in a number of areas.. but he's still very young and learning the game just as Aaron is and a lot of the other players from his class that people haven't given up on yet.

He does impact the game a lot despite his lack of a shot. But yes, health and confidence is important with him. I think the issue is people expect him to be a certain sort of player when it's obvious he's not that. I think I would respect that opinion more when people think another sort of player is better for the team, rather than playing down his strengths and expounding his weaknesses. You don't buy a pie and expect it to turn into a burger, you try to make that pie as tasty as possible.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#103 » by No-Man » Sat Sep 3, 2016 2:55 pm

My read on the East this season;

Cleveland, few bodies ahead of everybody else, lock to win the conference barring injuries

Boston, likely will have a really strong RS, doubts about their potential playoff success unless Brown or Smart develop fast offensively, Horford is solid but has been mediocre in the last two years come May-June for ATL.
Toronto, gonna take a stepback but still have a ton of talent, an injury to Lowry would kill them, still continuity has ton of value and they are likely in.
Detroit, I am not high on their long-term future in terms of been able to compete for a Championship with this core, but they should be a solid PO team, they were already last year and the experience will only help, plus they improved depth and have the full roster from TC.
Charlotte, lost some depth (although Sessions is underrated) but have one of the best starting lineups in the Conference, in my mind second to Cleveland only, and come PO time I believe they have more weapons to be a pain than BOS-TOR-DET, if MKG is healthy-ish they are a lock to me.

Atlanta, they will need to tweak some, less motion-free offensive game and more traditional at times, but talent is still there, same with coaching, I expect Schröder to be really good in time, and they have the best interior pair of the conference.
Indiana, Not a fan of their moves, other than getting Young, but they have enough talent and a top5 player of the Conference, they should be in if they have reasonable health.
Washington, they were a PO team last year if healthier, have gotten deeper, younger and more athletic, Satoransky is going to be a factor, Mahinmi too, even without a healthy Beal they have more options now, Brooks team are supersolid on D.

New York, just not enough depth and the fit is doubtful, I think they can be in, but likely not, due to injuries and too many new pieces, coach is new too, could be enticed to tank a little and get a top future Guard as well.
Miami, I do like their chances if they try, they could move Dragic-Bosh and tank to revamp the roster and do a mini-rebuild around their young guys and Whiteside, but if they stay put they are going to be good and fun, they have all the right pieces in terms of been able to play big/small, good spacing and defense.

Orlando, a step below the top10 in my opinion, not a fan of the frontcourt rotation and unless Payton develops in a major way the Guards are going to struggle to create, Vogel is sort of plain offensively so that doesnt help either, the defense should be top10 if they find the right balance, just not enough unless other teams face injuries.
Milwaukee, could flip them with Orlando, their bench is poop other than Teletovic and Monroe/Henson, they should be playing Giannis full-time as a big, at least defensively, he can be the de-facto PG offensively, but they likely would have to play some supersized lineups to keep everyone happy minutes wise and because their backcourt rotation is truly bad and thin, still the starting lineup at least makes sense and they have top end talent.
Chicago, they have no means to be an efficient offense neither a solid defense, they play ball-dominant guys that can shoot, and 2 dont care defensively, and their rotation is widely young and unexperienced, they have literally 3-4 guys that can be of use on the defensive end and two proved shooters in Mirotic and McDermott, going to be a big mess.

Brooklyn, they did what they had too but the talent level is subpar and they are going to focus on development, could even fall below Philly if Lopez misses time, something that seems likely statistically.
Philadelphia, just a weird team overall, spacing is still going to be bad, and the same about the defense, Henderson helps but he doesnt shoot, Bayless cant defend, same with Chacho, they are unexperienced and hungry for minutes, weird mix and someone is going to end up mad since a lot of their young players have the cache to expect a big role.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#104 » by j-ragg » Sat Sep 3, 2016 4:46 pm

Why do other posters feel the need to go on the Orlando board and say how they don't think we'll do well?

Maybe we won't but it's just odd how many come here to speak negatively. Cool, thanks for the opinion lol.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#105 » by basketballRob » Sat Sep 3, 2016 5:20 pm

j-ragg wrote:Why do other posters feel the need to go on the Orlando board and say how they don't think we'll do well?

Maybe we won't but it's just odd how many come here to speak negatively. Cool, thanks for the opinion lol.


Meanwhile if we go to the general board and say we think the Magic made some good moves and question some other teams, we're giving Magic fans a bad name.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#106 » by j-ragg » Sat Sep 3, 2016 5:48 pm

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j-ragg wrote:Why do other posters feel the need to go on the Orlando board and say how they don't think we'll do well?

Maybe we won't but it's just odd how many come here to speak negatively. Cool, thanks for the opinion lol.


Meanwhile if we go to the general board and say we think the Magic made some good moves and question some other teams, we're giving Magic fans a bad name.

Well yeah but there's kind of an unspoken rule around RealGM since I've been around. If you go on another team's board and tell them how bad you think they'll be it's borderline trolling. A neutral board like the GB or T&T is kinda different IMO.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#107 » by Furinkazan » Sat Sep 3, 2016 10:06 pm

that mavs dude should take care of his own pathetic team last few years they bring scrubs and/or washed up leftovers and try them to look good
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#108 » by basketballRob » Sat Sep 3, 2016 10:58 pm

~Snoopy~ wrote:that mavs dude should take care of his own pathetic team last few years they bring scrubs and/or washed up leftovers and try them to look good


Carlisle and Cuban are both starting to look like jerks that no one wants to play for.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#109 » by Xatticus » Sun Sep 4, 2016 2:36 am

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~Snoopy~ wrote:that mavs dude should take care of his own pathetic team last few years they bring scrubs and/or washed up leftovers and try them to look good


Carlisle and Cuban are both starting to look like jerks that no one wants to play for.


I don't buy that. They have gambled repeatedly in an attempt to avoid a rebuild that might require them to move on from Dirk, but every big move they have attempted has failed. They have cobbled together some teams that have managed to remain competitive despite all of this. I think the fact that Dirk has stayed and played on a bargain contract is a credit to both Carlisle and Cuban.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#110 » by drsd » Sun Sep 4, 2016 8:02 am

The more the build up of excitement takes hold, the increasingly level of enthusiasm I have for this roster.

Payton/Augustin/Watson
-> A top 15 starter at PG coupled to perhaps the best bench PG and an amazing 3rd stringer.

Fournier/Wilcox/Meeks*
-> A top 10 starter at SG. Weakness on the bench met by depth at SF. Orlando needs Meeks to get healthy.

Gordon/Hezonja
-> A top 15 starter at SF with amazing depth on the bench and and an ability to rotate with the PF slot.

Ibaka/Green
-> A top 5 starter at PF with a very, very deep ability to rotate within the SF and C slots.

Vučević/Biyombo/Zimmerman
-> A top 10 starter at C with perhaps the best bench C in the league.



(looking at the above, Orlando could use a combo SG/SF as its 14th member.)



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Post#111 » by basketballRob » Sun Sep 4, 2016 8:33 am

drsd wrote:The more the build up of excitement takes hold, the increasingly level of enthusiasm I have for this roster.

Payton/Augustin/Watson
-> A top 15 starter at PG coupled to perhaps the best bench PG and an amazing 3rd stringer.

Fournier/Wilcox/Meeks*
-> A top 10 starter at SG. Weakness on the bench met by depth at SF. Orlando needs Meeks to get healthy.

Gordon/Hezonja
-> A top 15 starter at SF with amazing depth on the bench and and an ability to rotate with the PF slot.

Ibaka/Green
-> A top 5 starter at PF with a very, very deep ability to rotate within the SF and C slots.

Vučević/Biyombo/Zimmerman
-> A top 10 starter at C with perhaps the best bench C in the league.



(looking at the above, Orlando could use a combo SG/SF as its 14th member.)



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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#112 » by basketballRob » Sun Sep 4, 2016 8:37 am

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basketballRob wrote:
~Snoopy~ wrote:that mavs dude should take care of his own pathetic team last few years they bring scrubs and/or washed up leftovers and try them to look good


Carlisle and Cuban are both starting to look like jerks that no one wants to play for.


I don't buy that. They have gambled repeatedly in an attempt to avoid a rebuild that might require them to move on from Dirk, but every big move they have attempted has failed. They have cobbled together some teams that have managed to remain competitive despite all of this. I think the fact that Dirk has stayed and played on a bargain contract is a credit to both Carlisle and Cuban.


I disagree with you. First the Rondo thing with Carlisle and then the Jordan name calling by Cuban.

Cuban sometimes acts childish and Carlisle acts like he's a HS coach in Indiana.

I think they've got a bad rep the last couple years and it's been reflected in their signings.

They did a massive overpay to get Barnes so maybe that'll work out for them.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#113 » by Furinkazan » Sun Sep 4, 2016 10:45 am

we could have done same as Mavs do... when we traded coward we could have just keep Iggy keep Ryno and others sign some players and we would be 5-8 th on the east each of the last 4 seasons... is this the right path? and I see people from various teams forums coming here lately like this mavs fan acting like they all high and mighty...and pointing out our problems...
Im just saying he can gtfo and tend to his own team and problems...its not like their bunch of random leftovers is a champ material either
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Post#114 » by MJallday59 » Sun Sep 4, 2016 1:53 pm

I vote yes. Not only will we make the playoffs but we'll be a 5th or 6th seed.

•Payton turns the corner this year (14/6/5/2 steals) and Hezonja begins to blossom.
•Fournier becomes our 6th man of the year candidate.
•Aaron Gordon established himself as our PF
•Serge Ibaka is candidate for DPOY as our starting Center

We finally see a rotation of :
Payton/Fournier/Hezonja/Gordon/Ibaka

•Jeff Green & Vucevic have an incredible year and we wonder if we should keep both.

•Bismack is traded at deadline once Serge gives us the nod that he'll resign.
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Post#115 » by Optimus_Steel » Sun Sep 4, 2016 4:36 pm

Payton was the first rookie in years to get back to back triple doubles. I am surely not giving up on him. PG need patience.


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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#116 » by Orlwillbeback » Sun Sep 4, 2016 4:41 pm

Not convinced were really better than last year.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#117 » by Xatticus » Sun Sep 4, 2016 6:11 pm

basketballRob wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:
Carlisle and Cuban are both starting to look like jerks that no one wants to play for.


I don't buy that. They have gambled repeatedly in an attempt to avoid a rebuild that might require them to move on from Dirk, but every big move they have attempted has failed. They have cobbled together some teams that have managed to remain competitive despite all of this. I think the fact that Dirk has stayed and played on a bargain contract is a credit to both Carlisle and Cuban.


I disagree with you. First the Rondo thing with Carlisle and then the Jordan name calling by Cuban.

Cuban sometimes acts childish and Carlisle acts like he's a HS coach in Indiana.

I think they've got a bad rep the last couple years and it's been reflected in their signings.

They did a massive overpay to get Barnes so maybe that'll work out for them.


That's a good point about the Jordan signing. I'd forgotten that. Cuban is a loose cannon at times, but I've been appreciative of that in the past when he knocked heads with Stern. Regarding Rondo, I don't think he has ever had a coach that he didn't have problems with that became public. I still think Carlisle is one of the best coaches in the NBA.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#118 » by Xatticus » Sun Sep 4, 2016 6:15 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Not convinced were really better than last year.


I'm not either, but there have been enough changes this off-season that it I don't feel very confident in my own opinion regarding this team.
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Re: Poll: Is Orlando going to make this season's playoffs? 

Post#119 » by Def Swami » Mon Sep 5, 2016 9:16 pm

Was expecting more of a 50/50 split. There's just so much uncertainty surrounding this team and the rest of the East (2-12) can go either way. I'm literally clueless as to how this season will go. If they can manage a top 10 defense, they'll have a good shot. Even then, the competition is stiff this year.
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Post#120 » by drsd » Tue Sep 6, 2016 9:47 am

Def Swami wrote:Was expecting more of a 50/50 split. There's just so much uncertainty surrounding this team and the rest of the East (2-12) can go either way. I'm literally clueless as to how this season will go. If they can manage a top 10 defense, they'll have a good shot. Even then, the competition is stiff this year.


Many in the media have Orlando winning in the 34-38 games range. But here, will full Homerism thriving, it seems that a 43-48 win season is expected by Magic fans. This ~10 game disparity seems about right to me. Fans always have grand hope for the season ahead. Example: does any Warriors fan project less than a 72 game season? But that is an unrealistic expectation.


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