False trade rumor, but good fodder

flow · Post #1 » by **flow** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:13 pm

This isn't happening. But would you be mad/glad if it did?

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/20/report-no-truth-to-john-wall-jahlil-okafor-reggie-jackson-brandon-knight-trade-rumor/

Pistons

Give: Reggie Jackson Tobias Harris, Reggie Bullock, two first-round picks
Get: John Wall, Markieff Morris

Wizards

Give: John Wall, Markieff Morris
Get: Brandon Knight, Jahlil Okafor, T.J. Warren, first-round pick

76ers

Give: Jahlil Okafor
Get: Reggie Jackson

Suns

Suns give: Brandon Knight, T.J. Warren
Suns get: Tobias Harris, Reggie Bullock, first-round pick

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flow · Post #2 » by **flow** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:21 pm

While I'm doing somersaults at the mere thought of Wall replacing RJ, I think adding Harris + 2 firsts makes the trade a bit rich. I might pass. Reluctantly.

Also, I'm not anxious to have both Morris bros on the team.

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A_dub06 · Post #3 » by **A_dub06** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:46 pm

I wouldn't do it because I don't think the upgrade from Jackson to wall is worth the price tag. If we are to make a trade with our "spare" pieces, I'd want to trade for a better PF or SG* (only if KCP's 3pt% doesn't increase). Problem is I don't see any PF available that's a star and fits our timeline. I'd be keen on trying to make a trade for Bender from Phoenix using Harris, Ellenson and a first but I doubt they bite.

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Laimbeer · Post #4 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:21 pm

I do believe we need another top drawer talent and Dre growing to another level to be a serious contender. Is Wall that?

hoophabit · Post #5 » by **hoophabit** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:25 pm

I really like John Wall's game but this has the Pistons giving up too much, and:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/wizards-coach-scott-brooks-declines-to-provide-timeline-for-john-walls-return/

Post #6 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:44 pm

All those assets not worth an upgrade between Jackson and Wall. I'm not even sure we want to do any trade at this point. I like our team and want to see what we've got. I think we're going to be improved from last year. Maybe Harris and Jackson are both significantly better. Maybe Bullock is now a legit rotation player. I'm not ready to trade all this for Wall.

coordinator0 · Post #7 » by **coordinator0** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:10 pm

People are still trying to force the Morris twins back together on one team? :lol:

With that said I do think Wall is a superstar talent worth this kind of package that might (no real assurances with any move) put Detroit over the top. He and Drummond would work beautifully together. Not exactly sure about a backcourt of Wall and Caldwell-Pope though. The defense would be amazing, especially considering Johnson is likely starting too with Harris out, but the scoring punch might be a bit lacking on the shooting side. Would still think Kentavious is kept around given the lack of any other good option but that would be something to keep an eye on, although this deal will never happen anyways.

Todd3 · Post #8 » by **Todd3** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:14 pm

I'd probably do Reggie/Harris for Wall, but not sure 2 1st's + Bullock is worth it.

Reggie is pretty close to Wall's level by himself. I think a better use of those assets would be keeping him at PG and using Harris + the 2 1st's to get a star at another position instead.

DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:24 pm

2 1sts might be a bit too much. If Wall is healthy and assuming he gives us good years, then this is a deal you can't pass up. Wall is supremely more talented in running the offense than RJ while having elite athleticism too. Wall's ability to dissect the offense like CP3 can while Dre rolling would be one of the best things ever.

Plus, he got what is now a struggling/inconsistent shooter in Ariza paid. I can see the same effect to all of our "shooters".

DocRI · Post #10 » by **DocRI** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:28 pm

My quick takes —

• I agree that, while Wall is an upgrade from Jackson, the difference between the two isn't worth the cost of this deal.

• Sounding like a broken record here, but you couldn't pay me enough to reunite the Morii; therefore, IMHO, Markieff holds negative value to us, making this trade even worse.

• It's obviously a horrendous fit and a non-starter for us, but theoretically Okafor-for-Jackson is exactly the type of deal PHI should be looking for.

• Holy crap would this be a steal for PHX! Harris, Bullock and a 1st for Knight and Warren? Knight is probably worth a mid/late 1st on his own and there's no way Warren is worth Harris (even if Bullock is just considered filler).

There's a thread over on the T&T board that some "rumor site" has floated a mid-season deal of Porzingis & Rose for Westbrook. Makes me think some click-hungry sites are creating as large of rumored deals as they can to try to draw attention during the pre-pre-season dead spell.

mattao313 · Post #11 » by **mattao313** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:04 pm

I don't think wall is that good. Never ran a above average offense and as a scorer isn't even better than Jackson. On the flip side SVG does run a PG friendly offense and he is a huge upgrade on defense, 2 1st and Tobias imo is a lot.

Blkbrd671 · Post #12 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:46 pm

Wall is a elite player, but if you take away his athleticism he becomes quite , if not below average. He's a perfect example of a player that was too athletic for his own good that he skipped skills development because he could survive without them to a point

Moses ShamMoses · Post #13 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:58 pm

I'd do the trade if we could bring back a different (but similarly talented) PF than Markieff Morris in the deal. Not interested in having both Morri on the team at this point. The two firsts would have to be 2017 and 2019...nothing too far into the future.

Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:53 am

flow wrote:This isn't happening. But would you be mad/glad if it did?

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/20/report-no-truth-to-john-wall-jahlil-okafor-reggie-jackson-brandon-knight-trade-rumor/

Pistons

Give: Reggie Jackson Tobias Harris, Reggie Bullock, two first-round picks
Get: John Wall, Markieff Morris

Wizards

Give: John Wall, Markieff Morris
Get: Brandon Knight, Jahlil Okafor, T.J. Warren, first-round pick

76ers

Give: Jahlil Okafor
Get: Reggie Jackson

Suns

Suns give: Brandon Knight, T.J. Warren
Suns get: Tobias Harris, Reggie Bullock, first-round pick

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Let me get this straight:

RJ, Harris & a first for Wall

Bull & a first for Morris

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Hell No!

Morris is probably worth a first but there's no way that Harris, Bull & another first is worth the upgrade from RJ to Wall

Wall really ain't that much better than RJ.

In all honestly Phoenix & Philly make out like bandits here despite giving up the lesser players...WTF?

joedumars1 · Post #15 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:15 am

Wall isn't much better than RJ. Wall is about to get paid more than RJ too isn't he? Just no.

Todd3 · Post #16 » by **Todd3** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:17 am

DBC10 wrote:2 1sts might be a bit too much. If Wall is healthy and assuming he gives us good years, then this is a deal you can't pass up. Wall is supremely more talented in running the offense than RJ while having elite athleticism too. Wall's ability to dissect the offense like CP3 can while Dre rolling would be one of the best things ever.

Plus, he got what is now a struggling/inconsistent shooter in Ariza paid. I can see the same effect to all of our "shooters".

Ariza was 37% from 3 last year on 6 attempts per game.

joedumars1 · Post #17 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:43 am

Todd3 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:2 1sts might be a bit too much. If Wall is healthy and assuming he gives us good years, then this is a deal you can't pass up. Wall is supremely more talented in running the offense than RJ while having elite athleticism too. Wall's ability to dissect the offense like CP3 can while Dre rolling would be one of the best things ever.

Plus, he got what is now a struggling/inconsistent shooter in Ariza paid. I can see the same effect to all of our "shooters".

Ariza was 37% from 3 last year on 6 attempts per game.

I was going to say something. I'm pretty sure it was that nba finals run the Lakers made that got Ariza paid. He was a big part of that team.

ImHeisenberg · Post #18 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:39 am

Take Harris out of the trade, and I'd go for it. I wouldn't miss those two picks if we knew Wall would be our PG going forward, those picks will likely be in the 20's.

tmorgan · Post #19 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:02 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:Take Harris out of the trade, and I'd go for it. I wouldn't miss those two picks if we knew Wall would be our PG going forward, those picks will likely be in the 20's.

Well, sure, but Harris is a big part of the value in the deal.

I'd trade Reggie and Bullock and two 1sts for just Wall (no thanks on Markieff, too risky). Those firsts aren't going to be very good (if they're 2017 and 2019), and it would help our defense a ton. Can't see why Washington would do that, though.

Scout Taron · Post #20 » by **Scout Taron** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:01 pm

I'm not worried about the picks. If we can flip Morris into someone that's a better fit, I would do that.