The 2016 Offseason Thread
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I highly doubt there is any truth to these rumors.
1. Bledsoe seems 100% bought in to the Suns and the new system with Coach Watson. To trade him now would be a slap in the face to Bledsoe and a letdown for his teamates.
2. The Suns seem focused on high character guys and teambuilding. I highly doubt they disrupt that by taking on a known headcase to start the season. If all goes well and the locker room is a place of harmony but the team needs an extra piece to secure a playoff spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of swap for Boogie. But not now.
1. Bledsoe seems 100% bought in to the Suns and the new system with Coach Watson. To trade him now would be a slap in the face to Bledsoe and a letdown for his teamates.
2. The Suns seem focused on high character guys and teambuilding. I highly doubt they disrupt that by taking on a known headcase to start the season. If all goes well and the locker room is a place of harmony but the team needs an extra piece to secure a playoff spot, I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of swap for Boogie. But not now.

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I'd offer TJ Warren and an unprotected pick for Cousins. That's it and I'm not exaggerating when I suggest even that might be an overpayment. He's not locked up and he's never shown the ability to move his team forward. I believe any team that uses him as their primary offensive weapon is destined for mediocrity at best. If he goes to the Spurs, for example, and buys in to Pop's system, he might (MIGHT) dominate his position for years to come. But that won't happen in Phoenix, all he'll do is dominate the ball.
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We're not trading for Cousins. The vibe is good around the team right now. The last thing we need to do is blow things up and lose the continuity/team building once again. All it does is destroy team morale.
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bwgood77 wrote:We're not trading for Cousins. The vibe is good around the team right now. The last thing we need to do is blow things up and and lose the continuity/team building once again. All it does is destroy team morale.
I agree. We have a young, talented and likeable team...IMO it would be horrible to trade all of that for a big time headcase like Cousins.
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Booker, Bender, and Chriss should be untouchable unless it is for Lebron, Curry, or maybe Durant. Everyone else should be available. Why give up any of those three players for a guy that does not make you a championship contender. It is pointless. Cousins has never even been able to lead his team to the playoffs, yet some people on here crown him as if he is a top five player. Real top five players in this league at least can make the playoffs once in six years regardless of who is on the roster. You give Lebron, Curry, or Durant players like Isaiah Thomas, Rudy Gay, and whoever else the Kings have had over the past six years and I think they make the playoffs.
Cousins' Kings teams have never even had a winning record. This past season was the best record they had since drafting Cousins and they were 33-49. Each of his first five seasons they won between 22-29 games. No matter who is on the roster, they never improve. Imo, that is a direct reflection of Cousins. He is the opposite of someone who makes everyone around him better like Steve Nash. Good players in the league play with him and the team does nothing. He is one of the last guys I would ever want to see on the Suns. When Barkley complained about wanting to leave the 76ers in the early 1990's, he still got them to the playoffs three of his last four years there, and two times made it to the second round. What has Cousins ever accomplished team wise in the NBA?
Cousins' Kings teams have never even had a winning record. This past season was the best record they had since drafting Cousins and they were 33-49. Each of his first five seasons they won between 22-29 games. No matter who is on the roster, they never improve. Imo, that is a direct reflection of Cousins. He is the opposite of someone who makes everyone around him better like Steve Nash. Good players in the league play with him and the team does nothing. He is one of the last guys I would ever want to see on the Suns. When Barkley complained about wanting to leave the 76ers in the early 1990's, he still got them to the playoffs three of his last four years there, and two times made it to the second round. What has Cousins ever accomplished team wise in the NBA?
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I like Boogie.
I want Boogie.
I don't need Boogie.
Especially if that means giving up Bender, Bledsoe and Warren and our first next season.
I want Boogie.
I don't need Boogie.
Especially if that means giving up Bender, Bledsoe and Warren and our first next season.
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I like the idea of Boogie and would be willing to give up warren, len, knight and picks to make it happen(not sure how sac feels about it). No way Bledsoe goes the other way.
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Cousins is the best big man in the league. He's a walking double double. That's something this team needs desperately. He's a force down low. You gotta act if you have a chance to get a player like that.
The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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Jdiddy701 wrote:Cousins is the best big man in the league. He's a walking double double. That's something this team needs desperately. He's a force down low. You gotta act if you have a chance to get a player like that.
The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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I've been pimping TJ pretty hard, but saying Bender is overrated at this point is just, um, weird? That's just about the nicest way I can think of to put it.
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I hate the thought of trading for boogie. We aren't getting boogie without giving up a heap. Thinking about the rumours of him going to lakers for a 2nd pick in the 2015 draft and that L.A. would probably give up Russell & Ingram, while Philly would probably throw one of their bigs at sac for boogie. Sac would probably demand Booker and a rook. Which is a big no. Our treasure chest isn't the greatest unless we add Booker. People are saying Boogie is the best big man in the league with 2 years left on his contract, then Booker is what its gonna take. Boogie wouldn't get us in the top 4. I think its time to enjoy our rebuild & hope Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Len or Warren turn into a star next to Booker.
Now Booker for the real best big man in the league Karl Anthony Towns, yeah sure.
Now Booker for the real best big man in the league Karl Anthony Towns, yeah sure.
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cosmofizzo wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:Cousins is the best big man in the league. He's a walking double double. That's something this team needs desperately. He's a force down low. You gotta act if you have a chance to get a player like that.
The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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I've been pimping TJ pretty hard, but saying Bender is overrated at this point is just, um, weird? That's just about the nicest way I can think of to put it.
Yeah, he decided he didn't like Bender before the draft. No changing that mind. Harder than getting him to make a pick in a fantasy draft. Some will understand that last part.
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theSUNalsoRISES wrote:I hate the thought of trading for boogie. We aren't getting boogie without giving up a heap. Thinking about the rumours of him going to lakers for a 2nd pick in the 2015 draft and that L.A. would probably give up Russell & Ingram, while Philly would probably throw one of their bigs at sac for boogie. Sac would probably demand Booker and a rook. Which is a big no. Our treasure chest isn't the greatest unless we add Booker. People are saying Boogie is the best big man in the league with 2 years left on his contract, then Booker is what its gonna take. Boogie wouldn't get us in the top 4. I think its time to enjoy our rebuild & hope Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Len or Warren turn into a star next to Booker.
Now Booker for the real best big man in the league Karl Anthony Towns, yeah sure.
I agree. Lets stick to the rebuild. Lets embrace our guys and our team. And you need to get into the fantasy league by sending your email address to me via PM or to my email..see CBA thread.
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Let's re-evaluate this thread midseason when Sacramento and the Lakers are fighting for last place in the western conference and we:
A. Are in the playoff hunt with Bledsoe putting up all star numbers and Booker living up to the hype.
B. Aren't far from joining the Lakers and Sacramento in the top prick sweepstakes due to an injury to Bledsoe, poor performance from Knight, and a second year wall impact from Booker.
A. Are in the playoff hunt with Bledsoe putting up all star numbers and Booker living up to the hype.
B. Aren't far from joining the Lakers and Sacramento in the top prick sweepstakes due to an injury to Bledsoe, poor performance from Knight, and a second year wall impact from Booker.

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bwgood77 wrote:Djedefre wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:If we assume both are close to their peak (not so far fetched), then going forward, Bledsoe may not be the guy you want to rely on as your star.
I think exactly the opposite. Bledsoe is ideal to keep for more than one thing: a) he is rare two-way player on our team and pretty much the only one at guard spots; b) has proven that he could play starting PG and be efficient; c) his age is perfect - probably at a career peak, capable of delivering on a daily basis for 2,3 years more while being a mentor to a guy like Fultz/SmithJr (as we all expect to land another top5 pick in upcoming draft) and preparing him to take over. Injuries are certainly a major concern, but that Knight-or-Bled dilemma is totally wrong. Knight's undefined game and hanging between the two guard positions make him a perfect Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford, but certainly not a star or a future cornerstone.
I agree about Bledsoe and would never do the Cousins trade, but more because of Bender and Warren. I'm afraid of Bledsoe's injury and think we likely need to draft our PG of the future in this next draft, since there are like 5-10 good ones. Bledsoe we have for 3 more years which is the right time for the future PG to develop and take over the spot in case of injury, or Ulis can play if it is within the next year or so.
Don't get me wrong, Bledsoe is the better player of the two and I'm not an advocate for trading Bledsoe over Knight in most circumstances. But my view is this; in the scenario where Bledsoe could net us a flawed but undeniably high-impact all-star big, do you trade him or keep him as your star?
From there, I broke it down to whether keeping Bledsoe (who outside of Booker, is our best trade asset) is the best course of action considering his injury concerns, his age (not old but likely about to peak) and the fact that he's at best, a 3rd option on a top seed. Then I broke it down further into, if Knight likely won't net us anyone of the same talent that Bledsoe could, he doesn't have the major health concerns and the rise of a PG/SG Booker; could we keep Knight (to trade later down the road) and move Bledsoe instead.
As Djedefre mentioned, Knight is better as an elite 6th man, which I'm in total agreement with. But I think he still has value as a starter at this point in his career, especially one with a quickly developing Booker. Would it be a net positive over the current Knight/Bledsoe lineup? Probably not right now but if you add in Cousins in that equation then it becomes a totally different conversation. Then when you consider Bledsoe knees, which is my biggest concern about Bledsoe, then the argument for moving him for Cousins become a little more palatable.
bwgood77 wrote:We're not trading for Cousins. The vibe is good around the team right now. The last thing we need to do is blow things up and lose the continuity/team building once again. All it does is destroy team morale.
Not saying the rumors have legs, just putting out my view if the opportunity did arise.
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cosmofizzo wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:Cousins is the best big man in the league. He's a walking double double. That's something this team needs desperately. He's a force down low. You gotta act if you have a chance to get a player like that.
The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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I've been pimping TJ pretty hard, but saying Bender is overrated at this point is just, um, weird? That's just about the nicest way I can think of to put it.
Most know I wasn't a huge fan of Bender coming into the draft but I've come around on Bender even though he hasn't played a minute in the NBA yet. That said, I do think he's kinda overrated by posters on this board. I ALWAYS have issues with players on 'untouchable" lists if they've yet to prove themselves. For me, the only player on that list is Booker.
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lilfishi22 wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:Cousins is the best big man in the league. He's a walking double double. That's something this team needs desperately. He's a force down low. You gotta act if you have a chance to get a player like that.
The only untouchable on our team is Booker. No way any other player on our team should even be considered as untouchable. Also, feel like Warren is under appreciated on this forum and Bender is highly overrated.
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I've been pimping TJ pretty hard, but saying Bender is overrated at this point is just, um, weird? That's just about the nicest way I can think of to put it.
Most know I wasn't a huge fan of Bender coming into the draft but I've come around on Bender even though he hasn't played a minute in the NBA yet. That said, I do think he's kinda overrated by posters on this board. I ALWAYS have issues with players on 'untouchable" lists if they've yet to prove themselves. For me, the only player on that list is Booker.
I think the reasoning is, we don't know what Bender is yet and we shouldn't ditch him before we have a better idea. I've tried to lay out a projection for Bender and it's pretty difficult to get a beat on. He could be a defensive stopper, an offensive mismatch, a decent, steady all around player or even a phenomenal one. Maybe him and Chriss can play well together, maybe they can't. We should at least give this group a shot before dismantling it.
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Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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MrMiyagi wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:
I've been pimping TJ pretty hard, but saying Bender is overrated at this point is just, um, weird? That's just about the nicest way I can think of to put it.
Most know I wasn't a huge fan of Bender coming into the draft but I've come around on Bender even though he hasn't played a minute in the NBA yet. That said, I do think he's kinda overrated by posters on this board. I ALWAYS have issues with players on 'untouchable" lists if they've yet to prove themselves. For me, the only player on that list is Booker.
I think the reasoning is, we don't know what Bender is yet and we shouldn't ditch him before we have a better idea. I've tried to lay out a projection for Bender and it's pretty difficult to get a beat on. He could be a defensive stopper, an offensive mismatch, a decent, steady all around player or even a phenomenal one. Maybe him and Chriss can play well together, maybe they can't. We should at least give this group a shot before dismantling it.
I don't think we need to make this trade now. I wouldn't be surprised if trade rumors involving Cousins will continue to be in the media throughout the season and well into the next offseason so we're in no rush to force the issue now.
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Can we pay KG 3 mill to be our big man stretch 4 coach



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OGBAH wrote:Can we pay KG 3 mill to be our big man stretch 4 coach![]()
Why would you want KG to coach stretch 4s? It's not like he shot from outside much.
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LukasBMW wrote:Let's re-evaluate this thread midseason when Sacramento and the Lakers are fighting for last place in the western conference and we:
A. Are in the playoff hunt with Bledsoe putting up all star numbers and Booker living up to the hype.
B. Aren't far from joining the Lakers and Sacramento in the top prick sweepstakes due to an injury to Bledsoe, poor performance from Knight, and a second year wall impact from Booker.
The only thing I disagree with here are the Booker comments. I'm a huge Devin fan and I believe he's going to be very good, maybe even one of the all time greats. But IMO he's more than a season away from living up to the hype and that's just on the offensive side, he has even further to go defensively.
Oh, I also disagree with the Lakers being in the "top prick sweepstakes" now that Kobe has retired.