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Which former Piston would you add? (Restriction)

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Re: Which former Piston would you add? (Restriction) 

Post#21 » by Alexander » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:46 am

Jon Barry. He was a 9/3/3 player that shot 47% from three and 93% from the line. He wasn't a PG or a SF playing out of position, rather he was a straight SG his entire career.

Jackson/Smith
Caldwell-Pope/BARRY
Morris/Johnson/Bullock
Harris/Leuer
Drummond/Baynes/Marjanovic

Yeah. I'd feel really, REALLY good about this team. Barry was part of one of the best bench units in league history and would complete the process of shoring up our glaring weakness from 15-16 at the position with the most question marks.
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Re: Which former Piston would you add? (Restriction) 

Post#22 » by Snakebites » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:46 am

Cowology wrote:Tay is the sexy pick. Above average starter. Versatile. Consistent. But I take a hard pass. Even in his prime he was a ball stopper and that is not what we need. He was a good but not great individual defender. His team defense was great but it was Big Ben protecting the rim that allowed him to use his length so effectively and Dre isn't there yet.

I think we could use Hunters defense faaaar more than VJ''s offense, especially given who the starter is.


There's a sort of anti-recency bias that I've noticed in a lot of people, where people tend to understate the value of players we've seen on our team more recently. There's a very understandable reason for it. Tayshaun Prince played for us very recently, and as such people tend to remember their shortcomings very clearly, and they're easier to pick apart. Tay's case isn't helped by the fact that he had several non-peak years after his best years with us (and yes I realize you sorta acknowledge that with your "even at his peak" clause, but I still felt it was worth pointing out).

Which brings me to Lindsey Hunter, a player who peaked for us 15-20 years ago, so there's a lot more time there for things to get blurry. We need to clarify what he was and wasn't. Defensively he was solid. He was especially good when he was younger, but even at a later stage of his career he was solid in stretches. Fine.

Offensively? You lose a lot of what you gain. It doesn't help that statistically he was at his best defensively when he was at his worst offensively, but it gets murkier from there. He was a solid shooter when either the line was in or when he had offensive powerhouse players drawing the attention of opposing defenses and getting him open looks (Stack and Hill were the top scoring duo in the league in his only good full 3 point line season with us and he also shot well with Shaq and Kobe).

And even when his shooting from 3 looked solid, he was still an atrociously inefficient offensive player (cracked 52 TS% ONCE with our team, and even then it was 54 percent), and whether people admit it or not, we've already got one of those at the 2. He was, by and large, a guy more likely to shoot you out of a game than to shoot you into one, and put up solid numbers when playing alongside guys that draw in the defense like our guys just can't. He was also a tweener offensively- a 6 foot 2 guard who couldn't really shoot over anyone at the 2 and wasn't even really an acceptable option at the point when we had Grant Hill as our de-facto shot-caller on offense. The only reason he was even listed as a pg was because he was short.

So yeah, tldr; Hunter was a lot worse offensively than people remember and I'm not sure the defense makes up for that. We've already got one grotesquely offensively inefficient 2 guard who can d-up, we really don't need another. I'd sooner take Jon Barry for this club than Hunter, but my vote is still for Tay.
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Post#23 » by ElectricMayhem » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:34 pm

I thought I was clever thinking of Allan Houston before noticing he was a 2x All-Star.

I would go with:
1) Vinnie Johnson: Backup SG is our greatest position of need. He doesn't stretch the floor but he's a great scorer and will help with ball-movement.
2) Tayshaun Prince: He's probably the only one who could supplant a starter. Move Morris to the bench and shoehorn Stanimal into the SG spot and it works out great. Prince + KCP would greatly help make up for the defensive deficiencies of some of the other defenders we'd have out on the court.
3) Terry Mills: Mills would give us great spacing and would complement Drummond wonderfully. With Mills at PF, Morris at SF, and Harris going between the two, they can all get their minutes. Meanwhile, Stanimal can start getting meaningful minutes once he's drinking age and Leuer can take a year sabbatical.
4) Lindsay Hunter: If only we could have Hunter and Jackson join forces - RJ plays on the offensive end and Hunter on the defensive end. Hunter would supplant Ish as the 2nd PG and if Reggie could successfully play SG, then a 3-man guard rotation of Jackson, KCP, and Hunter would cover up the Pistons' biggest weakness of backup SG.
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Post#24 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:18 pm

It is a tough call between William Bedford and the Human Victory Cigar.
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Post#25 » by ChuckVanBrown » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:00 pm

Give me the Microwave. This team could use a reliable scoring guard off the bench.
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Post#26 » by bballnmike » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:11 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:It is a tough call between William Bedford and the Human Victory Cigar.

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Post#27 » by DetroitSho » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:24 am

I'd take Lindsey, VJ, and Jon Barry all twice before I'd take Tayshaun's insufferable a** back on this team.
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Post#28 » by tmorgan » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:33 am

I'm extremely impressed with SVG/Bower as the President/GM combo, and less impressed (but still ok with) SVG the coach.

So, although it's kind of cheating, he was never an All-Star... gimme Daddy Rich. Chuck Daly was masterful at blending parts together into a team.
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Post#29 » by chrbal » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:15 am

Prime Lindsey Hunter would've made a killing in todays NBA. Hes my answer.
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Post#30 » by Snakebites » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:45 am

ElectricMayhem wrote:I thought I was clever thinking of Allan Houston before noticing he was a 2x All-Star.

I would go with:
1) Vinnie Johnson: Backup SG is our greatest position of need. He doesn't stretch the floor but he's a great scorer and will help with ball-movement.
2) Tayshaun Prince: He's probably the only one who could supplant a starter. Move Morris to the bench and shoehorn Stanimal into the SG spot and it works out great. Prince + KCP would greatly help make up for the defensive deficiencies of some of the other defenders we'd have out on the court.
3) Terry Mills: Mills would give us great spacing and would complement Drummond wonderfully. With Mills at PF, Morris at SF, and Harris going between the two, they can all get their minutes. Meanwhile, Stanimal can start getting meaningful minutes once he's drinking age and Leuer can take a year sabbatical.
4) Lindsay Hunter: If only we could have Hunter and Jackson join forces - RJ plays on the offensive end and Hunter on the defensive end. Hunter would supplant Ish as the 2nd PG and if Reggie could successfully play SG, then a 3-man guard rotation of Jackson, KCP, and Hunter would cover up the Pistons' biggest weakness of backup SG.


Oh yeah, Houston would have been the consensus pick IMO if he'd been an option.
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Post#31 » by ElectricMayhem » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:49 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:It is a tough call between William Bedford and the Human Victory Cigar.


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Post#32 » by the_l_train » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:02 am

Jerome Williams. We need a junkyard dog.

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Post#33 » by Uncle Mxy » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:04 pm

ChuckVanBrown wrote:Give me the Microwave. This team could use a reliable scoring guard off the bench.

A prime Microwave would've started on most teams, including these Pistons at the moment.
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Post#34 » by Manocad » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:53 pm

Easy pick for me. Terry Mills playing a stretch 4. He had mid range and a 3 point stroke.
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Post#35 » by Moose10Fan » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:28 pm

Like many have mentioned, I'd go with Hunter.

Incredible defence at PG, a one man full court press and can hit the 3 ball.
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Post#36 » by Han Solo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:41 pm

joedumars1 wrote:My first thought was tay. I really think he'd be a perfect 4 in today's NBA. Not all the time, but a lot.

Jon Barry!

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