Gordon Hayward...

basketballwacko2 · Post #1 » by **basketballwacko2** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:56 am

Does anyone think we can sign the young man from Brownsburg and Butler University? He surely will opt out of his contract after the season. What will it take in the way of money to get him? Can he or PG play sg? We have some $40 million in cap space for next season. Maybe more if Stuckey and CJ Miles opt out. We'll need to sign Teague and may be looking to extend Paul George. Do we have the room to do all 3?

Post #2 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:31 am

No. Too much. Yes. No.

simon24 · Post #3 » by **simon24** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:54 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:Does anyone think we can sign the young man from Brownsburg and Butler University? He surely will opt out of his contract after the season. What will it take in the way of money to get him? Can he or PG play sg? We have some $40 million in cap space for next season. Maybe more if Stuckey and CJ Miles opt out. We'll need to sign Teague and may be looking to extend Paul George. Do we have the room to do all 3?

I wouldn't want Teague long term. He's too inconsistent.

basketballwacko2 · Post #4 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:15 am

simon24 wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:Does anyone think we can sign the young man from Brownsburg and Butler University? He surely will opt out of his contract after the season. What will it take in the way of money to get him? Can he or PG play sg? We have some $40 million in cap space for next season. Maybe more if Stuckey and CJ Miles opt out. We'll need to sign Teague and may be looking to extend Paul George. Do we have the room to do all 3?

I wouldn't want Teague long term. He's too inconsistent.

Well we're gonna sign him he's from Indianapolis and went to Pike HS, so I'd expect a 4-5 yr deal and the money I have no Idea but it will be a lot. :-?

Post #5 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:13 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
simon24 wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:Does anyone think we can sign the young man from Brownsburg and Butler University? He surely will opt out of his contract after the season. What will it take in the way of money to get him? Can he or PG play sg? We have some $40 million in cap space for next season. Maybe more if Stuckey and CJ Miles opt out. We'll need to sign Teague and may be looking to extend Paul George. Do we have the room to do all 3?

I wouldn't want Teague long term. He's too inconsistent.

Well we're gonna sign him he's from Indianapolis and went to Pike HS, so I'd expect a 4-5 yr deal and the money I have no Idea but it will be a lot.

Either way, Teague's cap hold before re-signing will be $13.2m. I'm sure he'll get more, but that's the hold we have to make room for.

As for Hayward. He'll likely net a full max contract on this next deal. He's not a Jordan number 1 type guy, but he's certainly a Pippen, top level glue guy, and he deserves a full max on his market for doing so. With Teague's cap hold, we project to have around $10m in cap space (that includes our 1st round pick). Now, we could get more by declining Lavoy's option (there's $4m), Stuckey and Miles opting out ($7m and $4.8m, respectively), waiving Seraphin ($1.9m). So, at that point, we're probably just shy of a max deal for Hayward. In order to really afford one, we'd have to move Monta or Jefferson, most likely.

But otherwise, would Gordon be interested? Hard to say. His family is still in Indy, as is his wife's, but they just bought an offseason home in LA, and many other teams will be vying for his services. Maybe he'd want to play with a top notch player like Paul George, or maybe it'd turn him off because he'd want to be the star wing for his team. Who knows.

simon24 · Post #6 » by **simon24** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:20 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:
simon24 wrote:
I wouldn't want Teague long term. He's too inconsistent.

Well we're gonna sign him he's from Indianapolis and went to Pike HS, so I'd expect a 4-5 yr deal and the money I have no Idea but it will be a lot.

Either way, Teague's cap hold before re-signing will be $13.2m. I'm sure he'll get more, but that's the hold we have to make room for.

As for Hayward. He'll likely net a full max contract on this next deal. He's not a Jordan number 1 type guy, but he's certainly a Pippen, top level glue guy, and he deserves a full max on his market for doing so. With Teague's cap hold, we project to have around $10m in cap space (that includes our 1st round pick). Now, we could get more by declining Lavoy's option (there's $4m), Stuckey and Miles opting out ($7m and $4.8m, respectively), waiving Seraphin ($1.9m). So, at that point, we're probably just shy of a max deal for Hayward. In order to really afford one, we'd have to move Monta or Jefferson, most likely.

But otherwise, would Gordon be interested? Hard to say. His family is still in Indy, as is his wife's, but they just bought an offseason home in LA, and many other teams will be vying for his services. Maybe he'd want to play with a top notch player like Paul George, or maybe it'd turn him off because he'd want to be the star wing for his team. Who knows.

I'd be shocked if Stuckey and Miles don't opt out. Probably both can get at the minimum 10 mil each.

I wonder who would want Monta. Jefferson is nice.

LAC could use Hayward but they wouldn't be able to afford him. I wonder what's the likelihood of George resigning. His deal is up soon. Could he get a big extension now like Harden did?

basketballwacko2 · Post #7 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:30 pm

PG has 3 yrs with a player option remaining so it's really 2 years. The pacers are looking to extend PG. I'm looking forward to see what Monta can do this season he gutted out last year banged up most of the time. I to think Miles and Stuckey will opt out. As for trading Miles and or Stuckey, I think OKC would love to get CJ Miles.

Post #8 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:05 am

simon24 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:

Well we're gonna sign him he's from Indianapolis and went to Pike HS, so I'd expect a 4-5 yr deal and the money I have no Idea but it will be a lot.

Either way, Teague's cap hold before re-signing will be $13.2m. I'm sure he'll get more, but that's the hold we have to make room for.

As for Hayward. He'll likely net a full max contract on this next deal. He's not a Jordan number 1 type guy, but he's certainly a Pippen, top level glue guy, and he deserves a full max on his market for doing so. With Teague's cap hold, we project to have around $10m in cap space (that includes our 1st round pick). Now, we could get more by declining Lavoy's option (there's $4m), Stuckey and Miles opting out ($7m and $4.8m, respectively), waiving Seraphin ($1.9m). So, at that point, we're probably just shy of a max deal for Hayward. In order to really afford one, we'd have to move Monta or Jefferson, most likely.

But otherwise, would Gordon be interested? Hard to say. His family is still in Indy, as is his wife's, but they just bought an offseason home in LA, and many other teams will be vying for his services. Maybe he'd want to play with a top notch player like Paul George, or maybe it'd turn him off because he'd want to be the star wing for his team. Who knows.

I'd be shocked if Stuckey and Miles don't opt out. Probably both can get at the minimum 10 mil each.

I wonder who would want Monta. Jefferson is nice.

LAC could use Hayward but they wouldn't be able to afford him. I wonder what's the likelihood of George resigning. His deal is up soon. Could he get a big extension now like Harden did?

George could resign as of 9/24, I believe, but we would have to use our cap space if he got a raise of any kind, and we realistically only have about $3m in space left, so it's unlikely he, or Teague, extend now. It's more likely that we look to re-sign Teague in the summer, and that we look to extend Paul George with cap space next summer.

So, realistically, we likely won't go after Hayward for that reason either.

basketballwacko2 · Post #9 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:11 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:

George could resign as of 9/24, I believe, but we would have to use our cap space if he got a raise of any kind, and we realistically only have about $3m in space left, so it's unlikely he, or Teague, extend now. It's more likely that we look to re-sign Teague in the summer, and that we look to extend Paul George with cap space next summer.

So, realistically, we likely won't go after Hayward for that reason either.

So resigning Teague and extending PG will leave us short of cash. Is that considering CJ and Stuckey opting out?

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:41 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

George could resign as of 9/24, I believe, but we would have to use our cap space if he got a raise of any kind, and we realistically only have about $3m in space left, so it's unlikely he, or Teague, extend now. It's more likely that we look to re-sign Teague in the summer, and that we look to extend Paul George with cap space next summer.

So, realistically, we likely won't go after Hayward for that reason either.

So resigning Teague and extending PG will leave us short of cash. Is that considering CJ and Stuckey opting out?

We can likely "max" out our cap space with waiving "everyone" we can, and only keeping a cap hold on Teague, at around $26-30m. Any raise Paul George gets in a potential renegotiation/extension subtracts from that. A max for Hayward would be around $27-28m in year one.

So, it's unlikely we could do both an extension for George AND sign a Hayward, not without dumping either Monta and/or Jefferson in the process.

basketballwacko2 · Post #11 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:50 am

If we could resign Teague, extend PG and sign Hayward I'd gladly move Al and Monta for cap space and draft a center and sign a league min guy for backups.

Post #12 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:03 am

As an aside, this Utah team is more than just shades of our 2013-14 squad:

George Hill/George Hill
Rodney Hood/Lance Stephenson
Gordon Hayward/Paul George
Derrick Favors/David West
Rudy Gobert/Roy Hibbert

The point guard spot is a wash for obvious reasons. Hood and Hayward are good, but the Pacers had crazy upside on the wings. The Utah bigs are a bit more maximized than older David West and Roy Hibbert but play very similar roles.

That being said, let's not be like Lakers fans who think hometown has much to do with where big names want to go. Scoot is right. It's highly unlikely for us to even be in a situation where signing him would be feasible. It would be beautiful so see two good shooting and passing wings with size roaming the court in blue and gold, though.

JMG · Post #13 » by **JMG** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:04 am

I would love to get Hayward for our SG position next offseason. He has a game that won't age and a great attitude, not to mention IMO he is a star player. If we got him without losing much, we would definitely be a top 3 team in the league.

Teague
Hayward
George
Young
Turner

That would be SICK!

basketballwacko2 · Post #14 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:30 pm

Will the money be there? Not likely, only hope would be if Gordo wants to play at home, not likely without the money.

Maybe Monta and Jefferson play real well this season and we can trade them if we think we shot at Gordon, I getting a hankering for some NBA basketball.

JMG · Post #15 » by **JMG** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:35 pm

I would even give up on giving Teague an extension if it meant we would definitely get to sign Hayward. Finding a playmaking PG is easier than finding a near superstar level swingman that is as efficient and prolific as Hayward.

Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:19 pm

JMG wrote:I would even give up on giving Teague an extension if it meant we would definitely get to sign Hayward. Finding a playmaking PG is easier than finding a near superstar level swingman that is as efficient and prolific as Hayward.

I don't know that I agree. We haven't really been able to grab a playmaking PG like Teague since Mark Jackson, and boy have we been trying.

JMG · Post #17 » by **JMG** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:05 am

To be fair I am not a Pacers fan first. I am a Knicks fan who lives in Indiana, hence I say "we". If the Knicks don't win I root for the Pacers. So.. yeah.

glasket · Post #18 » by **glasket** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:43 pm

I'd love Hayward but don't think it's possible.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

simon24 · Post #19 » by **simon24** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:22 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
JMG wrote:I would even give up on giving Teague an extension if it meant we would definitely get to sign Hayward. Finding a playmaking PG is easier than finding a near superstar level swingman that is as efficient and prolific as Hayward.

I don't know that I agree. We haven't really been able to grab a playmaking PG like Teague since Mark Jackson, and boy have we been trying.

Teague is inconsistent. There's a reason why ATL picked Dennis over Teague.

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:48 pm

simon24 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
JMG wrote:I would even give up on giving Teague an extension if it meant we would definitely get to sign Hayward. Finding a playmaking PG is easier than finding a near superstar level swingman that is as efficient and prolific as Hayward.

I don't know that I agree. We haven't really been able to grab a playmaking PG like Teague since Mark Jackson, and boy have we been trying.

Teague is inconsistent. There's a reason why ATL picked Dennis over Teague.

I think age, contract status, and team control (restricted free agency over unrestricted free agency) play a larger part over "inconsistency" as to the reasons why they chose Schroeder over Teague. It's similar to the reasons we "moved on" from Antonio Davis in the past, to chase after the future with Jon Bender.