OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9
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lol talking about substance and policy would be a disaster for Trump considering he has neither. It's why he's been so successful to date.
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Whomever wins- we are getting what we deserve.
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burlydee wrote:TheStig wrote:RedBulls83 wrote:I would like to know why Donald Trump thought it was a good idea to mention that he gets audited every year? Bruh...that's like saying you frequently have to get std testing. Neither is something you should actually admit out loud.
He's a blowhard. The IRS only audits the last 7 years (which he hasn't ever released the IRS audit letter to prove) but that doesn't stop him from releasing 1980-2008.....
Being audited doesn't prevent you from releasing your taxes. He could release everything right now. He doesn't want to b/c he is a tax cheat and he doesn't want to show he hasn't paid any taxes, despite his income.
1000% true. He's also nowhere near as charitable as he claims. No one can find a single donation he's made. He also doesn't want to show who he is doing business with. That's what makes his "follow the money" comments crazy. Follow his money for 5 min and it's not a pretty picture.
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burlydee wrote:TheStig wrote:RedBulls83 wrote:I would like to know why Donald Trump thought it was a good idea to mention that he gets audited every year? Bruh...that's like saying you frequently have to get std testing. Neither is something you should actually admit out loud.
He's a blowhard. The IRS only audits the last 7 years (which he hasn't ever released the IRS audit letter to prove) but that doesn't stop him from releasing 1980-2008.....
Being audited doesn't prevent you from releasing your taxes. He could release everything right now. He doesn't want to b/c he is a tax cheat and he doesn't want to show he hasn't paid any taxes, despite his income.
I would like to see his taxes but I also want to see the 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted that some may contain classified information and put our national security in danger. I think the media needs to push on both issues and not one.
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holv03 wrote:burlydee wrote:TheStig wrote:He's a blowhard. The IRS only audits the last 7 years (which he hasn't ever released the IRS audit letter to prove) but that doesn't stop him from releasing 1980-2008.....
Being audited doesn't prevent you from releasing your taxes. He could release everything right now. He doesn't want to b/c he is a tax cheat and he doesn't want to show he hasn't paid any taxes, despite his income.
I would like to see his taxes but I also want to see the 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted that some may contain classified information and put our national security in danger. I think the media needs to push on both issues and not one.
Trump's tax "cheat" isn't technically illegal. If you find loopholes....you use them.
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SHO'NUFF wrote:holv03 wrote:burlydee wrote:
Being audited doesn't prevent you from releasing your taxes. He could release everything right now. He doesn't want to b/c he is a tax cheat and he doesn't want to show he hasn't paid any taxes, despite his income.
I would like to see his taxes but I also want to see the 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted that some may contain classified information and put our national security in danger. I think the media needs to push on both issues and not one.
Trump's tax "cheat" isn't technically illegal. If you find loopholes....you use them.
I know that. He's using the laws of the nation to his advantage and I really don't blame him. We would all do the same but what I am trying to say is that they are pushing the whole Tax thing hardcore but they don't even bother to push on the mess with the e-mails. Clinton and the media are one evil team that are just trying to destroy this country. I rather vote for Trump than for Clinton anyday. She's too corrupt in my mind.
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Yeah the media really hasn't pushed enough on the email thing.
Said no one.
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TheSuzerain wrote:Yeah the media really hasn't pushed enough on the email thing.
Said no one.
33k emails deleted. Cell phones destroyed with hammers and she's still free? So basically she's above the law.
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holv03 wrote:SHO'NUFF wrote:holv03 wrote:
I would like to see his taxes but I also want to see the 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted that some may contain classified information and put our national security in danger. I think the media needs to push on both issues and not one.
Trump's tax "cheat" isn't technically illegal. If you find loopholes....you use them.
I know that. He's using the laws of the nation to his advantage and I really don't blame him. We would all do the same but what I am trying to say is that they are pushing the whole Tax thing hardcore but they don't even bother to push on the mess with the e-mails. Clinton and the media are one evil team that are just trying to destroy this country. I rather vote for Trump than for Clinton anyday. She's too corrupt in my mind.
We really don't know if he's cheated on his taxes or not, b/c, unlike every other person who has run for President since 1980, he refuses to release them. And I do very much blame multi-millionaires for not paying taxes. One reason I supported Bernie Sanders is to change the laws of the nation to stop that from happening.
As far as the emails, it sucks that they are missing but I'm not sure what you're supposed to find. Meanwhile Trump (1) use charitable donations to pay debts (illegal) (2) hired undocumented workers to work at his casinos, hotels and gulf courses (illegal) (3) defrauded thousands and wasted millions of taxpayers money on his "university" (illegal) (4) advocated for the stopping and frisking of every person in Chicago (illegal) (5) threatened to ban Muslims from immigrating to the United States (illegal) (6) on numerous occasions refused to pay people who had done work for him (illegal) and (7) may have ignored government restrictions on dealing with cubs (illegal).
And once we get into a comparison of the intelligence of the two candidates - ooh boy. Hope for all our sakes, Hillary wins. Trump makes W Bush look like Stephen Hawking.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9
holv03 wrote:SHO'NUFF wrote:holv03 wrote:
I would like to see his taxes but I also want to see the 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted that some may contain classified information and put our national security in danger. I think the media needs to push on both issues and not one.
Trump's tax "cheat" isn't technically illegal. If you find loopholes....you use them.
I know that. He's using the laws of the nation to his advantage and I really don't blame him. We would all do the same but what I am trying to say is that they are pushing the whole Tax thing hardcore but they don't even bother to push on the mess with the e-mails. Clinton and the media are one evil team that are just trying to destroy this country. I rather vote for Trump than for Clinton anyday. She's too corrupt in my mind.
I agree. At least Trump makes me laugh.
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if you listed the things that they have done that are "corrupt" Trump's list is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than Clinton's
Admit it, you just don't like her. It's not about politics or if you think she'd do a better or worse job. Most people who feel that way just won't admit it.
People hold Clinton to a higher/different standard than they do Trump.
AT HER WORST, Clinton might be a "meh" president. At his worst Trump would be apocalyptic.
So, yeah. Vote for Trump because you just don't like Hillary. Or he makes you laugh. If you can't come up with a rational, deeply felt justification for voting for either? Not voting is an option, or vote for one of the 3rd party candidates.
Admit it, you just don't like her. It's not about politics or if you think she'd do a better or worse job. Most people who feel that way just won't admit it.
People hold Clinton to a higher/different standard than they do Trump.
AT HER WORST, Clinton might be a "meh" president. At his worst Trump would be apocalyptic.
So, yeah. Vote for Trump because you just don't like Hillary. Or he makes you laugh. If you can't come up with a rational, deeply felt justification for voting for either? Not voting is an option, or vote for one of the 3rd party candidates.
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holv03 wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:Yeah the media really hasn't pushed enough on the email thing.
Said no one.
33k emails deleted. Cell phones destroyed with hammers and she's still free? So basically she's above the law.
Could you please cite the law she is accused of breaking? And please tell me what parts of the FBI investigation you had problems with?
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they have pushed far too far on the email thing. The conservatives have made it a "thing" by repeating that it is at "thing" even when they cannot really tell why it is such an important "thing" and people buy it because they are not critical thinkers.
Again, Trump's misdeeds far outweigh Clinton's. It's not even close.
It's OK TO NOT LIKE HILLARY, you've been told for years not to, so don't. But most of the excuses you say for not voting for her don't hold water.
Lots of folks have a problem voting for a women (men AND women). Just the way it is.
Again, Trump's misdeeds far outweigh Clinton's. It's not even close.
It's OK TO NOT LIKE HILLARY, you've been told for years not to, so don't. But most of the excuses you say for not voting for her don't hold water.
Lots of folks have a problem voting for a women (men AND women). Just the way it is.
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This whole election is just a **** show. I think we'd all like better candidates, but this is what we got. I'm with Her, because I seriously would probably vomit if Trump is elected. This will be my 4th presidential election that I'm able to vote in, but never have I been so appalled by the candidate who I'm not voting for. To each his/her own, but I just expect a certain temperament from my President. I can deal with the possible corruptness, because we all know that in general many politicians are corrupt. They say what you want to hear, only to falter, and not come through on with most of what they said. They engage in showing favoritism for jobs, donations, topics of discussion, etc. Many think they are above the law in some respect or another. And they all have skeletons in their closets. They are all human, and they all make mistakes, they all make dumb ass decisions which we won't agree with. The one thing that I personally find important, especially for the president is that at least they will listen, at least they will be professional in how they relay information, they can properly engage with other world leaders, and I think that they need to truly understand the struggle of the majority of the people in this nation. I just don't see any of that in Trump at all. He's too brash, too sexist, too racist, talks about too many stereotypes, and he's too narcissistic that hardly listens to the people who are close to him, so why would I expect him to listen to "the people"?
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I want my corrupt politician to be able to control/hide his or her obnoxious-douche-baggery.
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quick internet search
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/12904136/donald-trump-corrupt
EDIT - There's some stuff there I didn't already know. Ouch
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/12904136/donald-trump-corrupt
EDIT - There's some stuff there I didn't already know. Ouch
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waffle wrote:quick internet search
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/12904136/donald-trump-corrupt
EDIT - There's some stuff there I didn't already know. Ouch
Add in the whole Cuba thing also.
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gardenofsound wrote:TeK wrote:What? Hillary has way too much to gain from this. Please do some research as to who is funding Hillary. Do you think those people are handing her campaign millions from the goodness of their hearts?
Source?
According to this: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000019&type=f
Soros has funded $10.54mm out of $517mm. That's more like 2%, not 10%.TeK wrote:Saudi Arabia has funded 20% of her campaign, and Soros added another 10%. Why? Why is SA funding a US presidential candidate? Does that not concern you?
I find no indication of the Saudi government contributing money to the Clinton campaign, nor has there been any established link between donations and her actions in political office (see the cited link above). Until I am provided with a non-partisan source to show otherwise, I will continue to believe that the Clinton Foundation has stayed detached from HRC's politics.
posed as his tax plan would be... well...
It's right on her page...
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%2410%2C000%2C001+to+%2425%2C000%2C000
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TeK wrote:gardenofsound wrote:TeK wrote:What? Hillary has way too much to gain from this. Please do some research as to who is funding Hillary. Do you think those people are handing her campaign millions from the goodness of their hearts?
Source?
According to this: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000019&type=f
Soros has funded $10.54mm out of $517mm. That's more like 2%, not 10%.TeK wrote:Saudi Arabia has funded 20% of her campaign, and Soros added another 10%. Why? Why is SA funding a US presidential candidate? Does that not concern you?
I find no indication of the Saudi government contributing money to the Clinton campaign, nor has there been any established link between donations and her actions in political office (see the cited link above). Until I am provided with a non-partisan source to show otherwise, I will continue to believe that the Clinton Foundation has stayed detached from HRC's politics.
posed as his tax plan would be... well...
It's right on her page...
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%2410%2C000%2C001+to+%2425%2C000%2C000
That looks like the clinton foundation page, not her campaign page. Which would make the poster you're talking to correct.
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Clinton Foundation and Clinton Campaign are two wholly separate entities that have never mixed funds. The Clinton Foundation is a charity with top ratings for the work they do across the world.









