Where is Nerlens?

[phifans]

It was reported on draft night that Ainge offered #3 for Noel and Lakers' pick. I assume Sixers' fans still think that was a bad trade for Philly, or any second thoughts?

I am just genuinely asking and not trying to stir up anything further.

Its a great bet for Celtic to take cos they may very well end up with taking Noel for nothing...
And I bet Angie must tried hard to fool BC that LA pick would become top 3 next year and Lakers would be a contender after that...

[Chris4Vikes]

It was reported on draft night that Ainge offered #3 for Noel and Lakers' pick. I assume Sixers' fans still think that was a bad trade for Philly, or any second thoughts?

I am just genuinely asking and not trying to stir up anything further.

That is an awful trade. Lakers pick is going to be close in value and you are throwing in a massive chip in Noel.


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Maybe. Lakers pick can't be top 3 and could be 10th.

[Ericb5]

It was reported on draft night that Ainge offered #3 for Noel and Lakers' pick. I assume Sixers' fans still think that was a bad trade for Philly, or any second thoughts?

I am just genuinely asking and not trying to stir up anything further.

That is an awful trade. Lakers pick is going to be close in value and you are throwing in a massive chip in Noel.


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With a little luck, that Lakers pick will turn into a better player than Dunn but itself. If it is 4 or 5 next year it could be someone like Fultz, Smith, or Tatum.


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[spikeslovechild]

This is an asinine statement. I'm willing to bet that more GMs and coaches and analysts think Noel has a better feel for the game. Okafor has no awareness on defense. He doesn't have as much of a feel for the game that Noel does.

Okafor has a feel for the game offensively, and not defensively, and Noel is the inverse.

Why do we need to bicker about that?


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Noel has a feel for the game on offense and defense. The other guy said Noel has no feel for the game. He's wrong. Okafor only has it on the offensive end.

Noel is a terrible offensive player whose had three years to get better. At this point you even have his coach writing him off offensively. Basically telling him to stop doing the things you can't do and focus on the things you can do.

As far as his defensive feel goes I guess when you look at the amount of steals he gets you could say that requires a certain amount of feel. But he doesn't rebound. Doesn't defend the post. Doesn't get out to the perimeter.

I also think his offense sort of limits his usefulness on defense. When I say that I mean he doesn't have the skillset to punish teams going small. He lacks the functional strength to do even if he did have the strength Biyombo has more polished low post moves. He doesn't have the rebounding skill to make teams pay on the glass either.

Which is in large part of why he failed as a PF.

[Ericb5]

Okafor has a feel for the game offensively, and not defensively, and Noel is the inverse.

Why do we need to bicker about that?


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Noel has a feel for the game on offense and defense. The other guy said Noel has no feel for the game. He's wrong. Okafor only has it on the offensive end.

Noel is a terrible offensive player whose had three years to get better. At this point you even have his coach writing him off offensively. Basically telling him to stop doing the things you can't do and focus on the things you can do.

As far as his defensive feel goes I guess when you look at the amount of steals he gets you could say that requires a certain amount of feel. But he doesn't rebound. Doesn't defend the post. Doesn't get out to the perimeter.

I also think his offense sort of limits his usefulness on defense. When I say that I mean he doesn't have the skillset to punish teams going small. He lacks the functional strength to do even if he did have the strength Biyombo has more polished low post moves. He doesn't have the rebounding skill to make teams pay on the glass either.

Which is in large part of why he failed as a PF.

I think that Noel, has legitimately elite defensive instincts, but he is one of the dumbest players on the team in terms of his ability to think. I think that he is not dumb off the court, but on it if he isn't reacting naturally he gets totally screwed up.



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[76ciology]

How about Nerlens + 2018 Sixers 1st for Nets 2017 1st?

Boston aren't trading that pick.

Charlotte:
Nerlens Noel

Sixers:
Jeremy Lamb
2017 1st (projected around 5th-7th)

Lamb plays very good defense and is a potential high productive 3&D wing.

Looking at Hornets, they lost Biyombo and Al J in last two seasons. I thought opting for Hibbert is a sign of a team desperate for rim protector. Noel also can play fast with either Marvin Williams/Zeller.

Read on Twitter

A known pro-noel guy on social media. Late reaction on my trade proposal.

[Chris4Vikes]

Given the roster situation and the public nature of Noel's unhappiness, I am amazed that Noel is still on this team.

[Wilfried]

A Charlotte 2016 1st? What is that? Pick 20-23?

That's not value for Noel. Jeremy Lamb is ok, but has reached his ceiling I'm afraid

[Chris4Vikes]

If Noel gets an offer after the season of say, 4 years and between $70-$80 million, the Sixers won't match, will they? Can they pay $70-$80 million for a back-up center?

[Kolkmania]

If Noel gets an offer after the season of say, 4 years and between $70-$80 million, the Sixers won't match, will they? Can they pay $70-$80 million for a back-up center?

We've got ~20 mil guaranteed $ next year, so yes we can pay that much for Nerlens. I'm not BC, but why would we let Nerlens Noel walk for nothing?

[Wilfried]

If Noel gets an offer after the season of say, 4 years and between $70-$80 million, the Sixers won't match, will they? Can they pay $70-$80 million for a back-up center?

If Embiid breaks another thing, Noel is our starting center

And a decent one

[kriss73]

If Noel gets an offer after the season of say, 4 years and between $70-$80 million, the Sixers won't match, will they? Can they pay $70-$80 million for a back-up center?

I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but Mahinmi 64x4 and Biyombo 72x4 contracts are very telling of this economy in NBA.
If I'm Colangelo I'd be all over such a contract for Noel: the next big contract to kick in will be Embiid (and it could be a bargain given his history).

If Noel will show to be a good starting C in this league, next year or in two year a 18 M/yr contract will be very tradable imho.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wondering what you all think of a twist on the BOS/PHI scenarios- Olynyk for Okafor-

Olynyk can play with Nerlens or Embiid, stretches the floor, passes well, is a good positional defender. You're downgrading in raw talent but upgrading in 'fit'. Won't be hugely expensive. Lets you keep Nerlens, who's going to have more trade value than Okafor because he's a defensive specialist, and defense-only 5s are more valuable than offense-only. Can also play the 5 some.

Boston would do it, IMO, because when you're swapping one player for the other, Okafor's flaws are less glaring. He rebounds about as poorly as Olynyk does, he's not the same perimeter shooter or space defender, doesn't have the same awareness, but has the potential to improve at all those things and has a raw scoring ability Olynyk doesn't.

[Ericb5]

Wondering what you all think of a twist on the BOS/PHI scenarios- Olynyk for Okafor-

Olynyk can play with Nerlens or Embiid, stretches the floor, passes well, is a good positional defender. You're downgrading in raw talent but upgrading in 'fit'. Won't be hugely expensive. Lets you keep Nerlens, who's going to have more trade value than Okafor because he's a defensive specialist, and defense-only 5s are more valuable than offense-only. Can also play the 5 some.

Boston would do it, IMO, because when you're swapping one player for the other, Okafor's flaws are less glaring. He rebounds about as poorly as Olynyk does, he's not the same perimeter shooter or space defender, doesn't have the same awareness, but has the potential to improve at all those things and has a raw scoring ability Olynyk doesn't.

This is ignorant and insulting.


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[Highfive]

I am not trading Nerlens unless it is for the final piece of the puzzle.

If most people feel that that piece is in next season's draft, that is when we will be glad we have him... for direct trade... or to move up in the draft. I will hold fast to my talent until then.

There will be more than enough minutes for Nerlens to prove himself this season. Embiid will be on minute restrictions. Oakafor also may be injury prone. And, Jah seems to be the type that would benefit from rest anyway... maybe occasional days off. Let the young guys play. Give them a chance to develop into their potential. Let the assets increase in value!

By the end of the year we will be much smarter. We may even decide to keep Nerlens. Let Bret Brown figure it out. Until then... just enjoy the talent that we can put on the floor this year.

[MatthewGeigerII]

Wondering what you all think of a twist on the BOS/PHI scenarios- Olynyk for Okafor-

Olynyk can play with Nerlens or Embiid, stretches the floor, passes well, is a good positional defender. You're downgrading in raw talent but upgrading in 'fit'. Won't be hugely expensive. Lets you keep Nerlens, who's going to have more trade value than Okafor because he's a defensive specialist, and defense-only 5s are more valuable than offense-only. Can also play the 5 some.

Boston would do it, IMO, because when you're swapping one player for the other, Okafor's flaws are less glaring. He rebounds about as poorly as Olynyk does, he's not the same perimeter shooter or space defender, doesn't have the same awareness, but has the potential to improve at all those things and has a raw scoring ability Olynyk doesn't.

IF jah gets traded (or noel, jojo, etc) - it most likely will be for a player at PG, SG, or SF.

but to answer OP i don't think kelly o gets even close without a high first attached to him.

[spikeslovechild]

A Charlotte 2016 1st? What is that? Pick 20-23?

That's not value for Noel. Jeremy Lamb is ok, but has reached his ceiling I'm afraid

CHA wanted to move Lamb or Hawes this draft and was willing to trade a first round pick to do it according to woj. Why would we essentially give them Noel for free?

I could understand sweetening the pot with a player with Grant but no thanks. I want Noel off the team but I'm not looking to trade him for crap.

[LloydFree]

If Noel gets an offer after the season of say, 4 years and between $70-$80 million, the Sixers won't match, will they? Can they pay $70-$80 million for a back-up center?

Huh? Are you serious? 20 million per for 4 years is nothing now. The salary cap will be 110 million. The 76ers don't have to pay Simmons for 4 years. They don't have to pay Saric or Embiid for 2 years. Theoretically they could sign Noel to 20 million per and Covington to 10 mil per extensions and still have money left over.
Your fixated on backup status. It doesn't matter if the player is a backup, if he could start on another team or if the contract is trade-able. Portland has four (4) guys making and average of 20 million per and won't be paying a luxury tax after next year. Portland has two (2) backups making close to 20 per. You gotta come off this 20 for a backup nonsense. Noel for 20 per, is a trade-able contract in the 2017 NBA.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wondering what you all think of a twist on the BOS/PHI scenarios- Olynyk for Okafor-

Olynyk can play with Nerlens or Embiid, stretches the floor, passes well, is a good positional defender. You're downgrading in raw talent but upgrading in 'fit'. Won't be hugely expensive. Lets you keep Nerlens, who's going to have more trade value than Okafor because he's a defensive specialist, and defense-only 5s are more valuable than offense-only. Can also play the 5 some.

Boston would do it, IMO, because when you're swapping one player for the other, Okafor's flaws are less glaring. He rebounds about as poorly as Olynyk does, he's not the same perimeter shooter or space defender, doesn't have the same awareness, but has the potential to improve at all those things and has a raw scoring ability Olynyk doesn't.

This is ignorant and insulting.


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Eh. I know trading the third pick for the sixteenth is a big drop-off on the surface. But it fits both teams' needs, and Olynyk is basically Okafor with all his NBA2K "stat points" redistributed, 15-20 taken out of scoring and put in other categories.

If the market's better than that for Okafor, we'll see. But everyone knows Philly has to trade one of their bigs and so far no one's meeting their asking price. It will come down.

Was just looking at what the Bulls ultimately got for Curry and Chandler. They traded Chandler, who was still developing, to the New Orleans Hornets for J.R. Smith and a 37 year old P.J. Brown. And ironically, Isiah Thomas gave them two future first-round lottery picks (Lamarcus Aldridge, traded for Tyrus Thomas; Joakim Noah) and two flawed role players (Sweetney and Tim Thomas) for Curry.

It's possible you could hold out and get a return like that... maybe from New Orleans.

[HartfordWhalers]

Wondering what you all think of a twist on the BOS/PHI scenarios- Olynyk for Okafor-

Olynyk can play with Nerlens or Embiid, stretches the floor, passes well, is a good positional defender. You're downgrading in raw talent but upgrading in 'fit'. Won't be hugely expensive. Lets you keep Nerlens, who's going to have more trade value than Okafor because he's a defensive specialist, and defense-only 5s are more valuable than offense-only. Can also play the 5 some.

Boston would do it, IMO, because when you're swapping one player for the other, Okafor's flaws are less glaring. He rebounds about as poorly as Olynyk does, he's not the same perimeter shooter or space defender, doesn't have the same awareness, but has the potential to improve at all those things and has a raw scoring ability Olynyk doesn't.

This is ignorant and insulting.


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Eh. I know trading the third pick for the sixteenth is a big drop-off on the surface. But it fits both teams' needs, and Olynyk is basically Okafor with all his NBA2K "stat points" redistributed, 15-20 taken out of scoring and put in other categories.

If the market's better than that for Okafor, we'll see. But everyone knows Philly has to trade one of their bigs and so far no one's meeting their asking price. It will come down.

Was just looking at what the Bulls ultimately got for Curry and Chandler. They traded Chandler, who was still developing, to the New Orleans Hornets for J.R. Smith and a 37 year old P.J. Brown. And ironically, Isiah Thomas gave them two future first-round lottery picks (Lamarcus Aldridge, traded for Tyrus Thomas; Joakim Noah) and two flawed role players (Sweetney and Tim Thomas) for Curry.

It's possible you could hold out and get a return like that... maybe from New Orleans.

Olynyk for Okafor is pretty atrocious. No thanks.