Media Day/Training camp thread 2016

[Ruzious]

Lifetime, Mahinmi averages 5.5 fouls per 36 minutes compared to 3.0 for Gortat, so even if Brooks wants to play Mahinmi as much as Gortat, he most likely won't be able to.

[nate33]

Beal got hurt Wednesday. Elbowed in the head by Mahinmi. Mild concussion. Missed practice Thursday. No word on whether he is participating today.

[nate33]

From the Washington Post:

When asked if he expected to play fewer minutes this season, Wall suggested that the bench should not only factor into his playing time, but also the team’s overall success.

“It comes to me, my decision, what the doctors want and what Coach [Scott] Brooks wants,” Wall said at Siegel Center after Thursday’s only practice.

“Also, it just depends on how many minutes I play. A lot of times in the past I was playing 40, 42 minutes and the whole second half … wearing my body down,” added Wall, who is recovering from surgery on both knees in May. “With a better second unit that we’ll probably have, we’re a more complete team, I probably won’t have to be out there as much. I think that will help with how I take care of my body and how we play as a team.”

That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Temple, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

[pcbothwel]

From the Washington Post:

When asked if he expected to play fewer minutes this season, Wall suggested that the bench should not only factor into his playing time, but also the team’s overall success.

“It comes to me, my decision, what the doctors want and what Coach [Scott] Brooks wants,” Wall said at Siegel Center after Thursday’s only practice.

“Also, it just depends on how many minutes I play. A lot of times in the past I was playing 40, 42 minutes and the whole second half … wearing my body down,” added Wall, who is recovering from surgery on both knees in May. “With a better second unit that we’ll probably have, we’re a more complete team, I probably won’t have to be out there as much. I think that will help with how I take care of my body and how we play as a team.”

That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Porter, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

Nate, Are you using an aggregate bench over a two year period? Because Porter was the starting 3 last year and Dudley started at the 4 for almost half the season. You're replacing Sessions, Neal/Temple, Oubre/Temple, Hump, Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson, and Mahinmi.

Mahinmi is and will be better than Nene. Oubre is a year older and will benefit from having a playmaker (Sato) and two scorers (Burke and Nicholson) along side him so he can focus on man D, open 3's, and drawing fouls at the basket. Sato will be better than temple/Neal and Nicholson will be about even. The only clear drop off is Sessions to Burke, but that can be somewhat mitigated if Burke focuses on scoring and effort defensively while leaving the playmaking/decision making to Sato.

[nate33]

From the Washington Post:

When asked if he expected to play fewer minutes this season, Wall suggested that the bench should not only factor into his playing time, but also the team’s overall success.

“It comes to me, my decision, what the doctors want and what Coach [Scott] Brooks wants,” Wall said at Siegel Center after Thursday’s only practice.

“Also, it just depends on how many minutes I play. A lot of times in the past I was playing 40, 42 minutes and the whole second half … wearing my body down,” added Wall, who is recovering from surgery on both knees in May. “With a better second unit that we’ll probably have, we’re a more complete team, I probably won’t have to be out there as much. I think that will help with how I take care of my body and how we play as a team.”

That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Porter, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

Nate, Are you using an aggregate bench over a two year period? Because Porter was the starting 3 last year and Dudley started at the 4 for almost half the season. You're replacing Sessions, Neal/Temple, Oubre/Temple, Hump, Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson, and Mahinmi.

Mahinmi is and will be better than Nene. Oubre is a year older and will benefit from having a playmaker (Sato) and two scorers (Burke and Nicholson) along side him so he can focus on man D, open 3's, and drawing fouls at the basket. Sato will be better than temple/Neal and Nicholson will be about even. The only clear drop off is Sessions to Burke, but that can be somewhat mitigated if Burke focuses on scoring and effort defensively while leaving the playmaking/decision making to Sato.

Sorry. Meant to write "Temple", not "Porter". (I guess I conflated them because they look so much alike.)

[Da ThRONe]

From the Washington Post:

When asked if he expected to play fewer minutes this season, Wall suggested that the bench should not only factor into his playing time, but also the team’s overall success.

“It comes to me, my decision, what the doctors want and what Coach [Scott] Brooks wants,” Wall said at Siegel Center after Thursday’s only practice.

“Also, it just depends on how many minutes I play. A lot of times in the past I was playing 40, 42 minutes and the whole second half … wearing my body down,” added Wall, who is recovering from surgery on both knees in May. “With a better second unit that we’ll probably have, we’re a more complete team, I probably won’t have to be out there as much. I think that will help with how I take care of my body and how we play as a team.”

That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Porter, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

Nate, Are you using an aggregate bench over a two year period? Because Porter was the starting 3 last year and Dudley started at the 4 for almost half the season. You're replacing Sessions, Neal/Temple, Oubre/Temple, Hump, Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson, and Mahinmi.

Mahinmi is and will be better than Nene. Oubre is a year older and will benefit from having a playmaker (Sato) and two scorers (Burke and Nicholson) along side him so he can focus on man D, open 3's, and drawing fouls at the basket. Sato will be better than temple/Neal and Nicholson will be about even. The only clear drop off is Sessions to Burke, but that can be somewhat mitigated if Burke focuses on scoring and effort defensively while leaving the playmaking/decision making to Sato.

Why would Burke be only be used as a scorer? Playmaking and decision making(especially out of the PNR) is his strengths. It's when Utah tried to make him a scorer only that hurt his growth. Again when Trey talks about being able to be himself with the Wizards that's what he means. He had an excellent AST rate in college and a strong AST his rookie season when he was allowed to be a playmaker.

[nate33]

Why would Burke be only be used as a scorer? Playmaking and decision making(especially out of the PNR) is his strengths. It's when Utah tried to make him a scorer only that hurt his growth. Again when Trey talks about being able to be himself with the Wizards that's what he means. He had an excellent AST rate in college and a strong AST his rookie season when he was allowed to be a playmaker.

I do not share your optimism. He was displaced from the lineup by Sheldon freaking Mack and Raul Neto.

[Ruzious]

From the Washington Post:


That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Porter, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

Nate, Are you using an aggregate bench over a two year period? Because Porter was the starting 3 last year and Dudley started at the 4 for almost half the season. You're replacing Sessions, Neal/Temple, Oubre/Temple, Hump, Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson, and Mahinmi.

Mahinmi is and will be better than Nene. Oubre is a year older and will benefit from having a playmaker (Sato) and two scorers (Burke and Nicholson) along side him so he can focus on man D, open 3's, and drawing fouls at the basket. Sato will be better than temple/Neal and Nicholson will be about even. The only clear drop off is Sessions to Burke, but that can be somewhat mitigated if Burke focuses on scoring and effort defensively while leaving the playmaking/decision making to Sato.

Why would Burke be only be used as a scorer? Playmaking and decision making(especially out of the PNR) is his strengths. It's when Utah tried to make him a scorer only that hurt his growth. Again when Trey talks about being able to be himself with the Wizards that's what he means. He had an excellent AST rate in college and a strong AST his rookie season when he was allowed to be a playmaker.

It was bizarre the way they used him last year - since he probably never played off the ball in his life until then. As anyone who watched him in college even a little bit knows, he's a pure PG. He did play poorly in the NBA as a PG his first 2 seasons, and he's going to have to show a lot of improvement. I think he can, but he's got to actually do it this season, because this could be his last chance.

[AFM]

Bench is a huge upgrade. Sato will be 6th man of the year, even if Durant comes off the bench for GSW... Sato will probably be the first bench player in NBA history to average 30 ppg...

[Da ThRONe]

Why would Burke be only be used as a scorer? Playmaking and decision making(especially out of the PNR) is his strengths. It's when Utah tried to make him a scorer only that hurt his growth. Again when Trey talks about being able to be himself with the Wizards that's what he means. He had an excellent AST rate in college and a strong AST his rookie season when he was allowed to be a playmaker.

I do not share your optimism. He was displaced from the lineup by Sheldon freaking Mack and Raul Neto.

Yeah but why? He out played Neto for months and never earned a starting spot. By the time Mack got there the wheels had kind of fell off for Trey and he was soundly in Snyder's doghouse. Burke's defense got him benched then shipped out. He wasn't a good fit for the starting 5 with Hayward and Hood both had the ability to score and make plays. They need a 3&D PG. That's not Trey atleast at this point in his career.

[Wizardspride]

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[Dat2U]

Why would Burke be only be used as a scorer? Playmaking and decision making(especially out of the PNR) is his strengths. It's when Utah tried to make him a scorer only that hurt his growth. Again when Trey talks about being able to be himself with the Wizards that's what he means. He had an excellent AST rate in college and a strong AST his rookie season when he was allowed to be a playmaker.

I do not share your optimism. He was displaced from the lineup by Sheldon freaking Mack and Raul Neto.

Yeah but why? He out played Neto for months and never earned a starting spot. By the time Mack got there the wheels had kind of fell off for Trey and he was soundly in Snyder's doghouse. Burke's defense got him benched then shipped out. He wasn't a good fit for the starting 5 with Hayward and Hood both had the ability to score and make plays. They need a 3&D PG. That's not Trey atleast at this point in his career.

He outplayed Neto? You sure about that? Snyder would have started him if he brought more to the table than Neto did. The problem was as you mentioned on the defensive end. He was basically unplayable. And it wasn't just about his lack of size or athleticism. He couldn't grasp team concepts and got constantly lost on defense. He displayed a Kyrie Irving-like ability to get stuck on picks. That won't work on any team, it's not just a fit issue with the Jazz. If he's going to stay in the NBA, he's got to improve significantly on the defensive end, otherwise he'll be overseas next year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

From the Washington Post:

When asked if he expected to play fewer minutes this season, Wall suggested that the bench should not only factor into his playing time, but also the team’s overall success.

“It comes to me, my decision, what the doctors want and what Coach [Scott] Brooks wants,” Wall said at Siegel Center after Thursday’s only practice.

“Also, it just depends on how many minutes I play. A lot of times in the past I was playing 40, 42 minutes and the whole second half … wearing my body down,” added Wall, who is recovering from surgery on both knees in May. “With a better second unit that we’ll probably have, we’re a more complete team, I probably won’t have to be out there as much. I think that will help with how I take care of my body and how we play as a team.”

That's some wishful thinking right there. Our second unit stinks. We've replaced Sessions, Neal, Temple, Dudley and Nene with Burke, Sato, Oubre, Nicholson and Mahinmi. The only upgrade is at center, and even that is dubious because Nene was pretty good last year. (Well, Sato could be an upgrade, but it'll probably take a while to acclimate himself to the NBA game.)

Thinking best case scenario: Burke shoots lights out. Oubre develops a money three ball to go along with his superior rebounding and defensive ability. Sato has both a good handle and a great ability to get to the rim as a G or F. Nicholson shoots the three as well as Dudley and also possess a good post up game. Jason Smith surprises with his defense and garbage scoring. Brooks turns out to be the best coach the Wizards have had ... PERIOD.

All those things and John can play 35-38 minutes a night, tops.

[Da ThRONe]

I do not share your optimism. He was displaced from the lineup by Sheldon freaking Mack and Raul Neto.

Yeah but why? He out played Neto for months and never earned a starting spot. By the time Mack got there the wheels had kind of fell off for Trey and he was soundly in Snyder's doghouse. Burke's defense got him benched then shipped out. He wasn't a good fit for the starting 5 with Hayward and Hood both had the ability to score and make plays. They need a 3&D PG. That's not Trey atleast at this point in his career.

He outplayed Neto? You sure about that? Snyder would have started him if he brought more to the table than Neto did. The problem was as you mentioned on the defensive end. He was basically unplayable. And it wasn't just about his lack of size or athleticism. He couldn't grasp team concepts and got constantly lost on defense. He displayed a Kyrie Irving-like ability to get stuck on picks. That won't work on any team, it's not just a fit issue with the Jazz. If he's going to stay in the NBA, he's got to improve significantly on the defensive end, otherwise he'll be overseas next year.

I agree Burke biggest issues defensively is his inability to separate from picks. Yes he outplayed Neto by a significant amount. Neto was terrible to start the season. Raul was a hustle guy on defense and got better as the year went on ,but he struggled to stay in front of his early assignments in the season. Trey the first 31 games average 45℅fg 36%3pt 85%ft. It wasn't until Burks got injured when Burke's efficiency took a nose dive.

Again Burke has enough flashes on his resume to be hopeful that if he can find a level of consistency he can be a starter level player. With most players improving defensively is something that come with adding strength, conditioning and experience. Chris Paul is viewed as a great defender he was terrible when he started his career. It wasn't until his 5 season when he started to drastically improve on that end.