Reputation and Free Agency Destination

MorbidHEAT · Post #1 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 1:14 am

This whole Bosh situation is a mess and getting messier by the day.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243474/Chris-Bosh-Vows-NBA-Return-Critical-Of-Treatment-From-Pat-Riley

Cliff notes: Bosh says that he found out that he failed a physical through the media. Bosh also vows to play for one of the 29 other teams. He says that Heat fans deserve better than what they are getting. Also says that he didn't expect his time in Miami to end like this.

So to recap the Heat's increasingly dinged up reputation for what many consider to be a "1st class organization":
1) Lebron states that a member of the Heat organziation, presumably Riley, told him that leaving for Cleveland would be the worst mistake he ever made in his life.
2) Wade goes to the Bulls and makes it known that he didn't even get a phone call from the president and head of the franchise.
3) Bosh makes it known that he found out about his failed physical and that the Heat were essentially done with him through the media. Also, there are those that still probably believe that the organization doesn't want to play him for the cap relief. Stephen A Smith and Windhorst both said last season that they were being told around the league that players had a ower opinion of the Heat than they did before the Bosh situation started.

For an organization that prides itself on family and loyalty, it's a big PR hit to take around the league for bad treatment of superstars, whether it is true or not.

Does this effectively damage the Heat's reputation and make it a less desirable free agent destination or does money trump all if the cap is available?

Post #2 » by **QUIZ** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 1:46 am

There's a lot of lies and half truths written there OP. At the end of the day who cares? I'll believe it when I see it. Until we fall to the Lakers level of not even being able to get a meeting with someone like Hassan Whiteside I'll be of the opinion that this stuff only matters to fans.

Shewasfly · Post #3 » by **Shewasfly** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 2:34 am

How we treated Wade was actually what killed our reputation, not this Bosh thing. This was basically just the final nail in the coffin. It let others (besides hard core Riley fans) know it couldn't just be blamed on the players. As they say, when you're the common denominator in all these different issues...

I don't think we'll get another superstar by trade or free agency for awhile. Luckily we'll likely be bad to mediocre for awhile anyway so we have the chance to draft one and build that way. Plus once the superstars of now start to get old, all should be forgotten. At least I hope.

BenoUdrihFTL · Post #4 » by **BenoUdrihFTL** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 3:14 am

People can argue about the Wade exit but there's nothing to debate with Bosh here. The guy is being an absolute prick.

Anyways, I remember when Orlando balked at maxing Shaq and Magic fans even voted that he wasn't worth the money. So Shaq left. A few years later they signed top prized FAs Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady, and they were about to sign Tim Duncan before he decided last minute to stay in San Antonio.

MorbidHEAT · Post #5 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:22 am

RonySeikalyFTW wrote:People can argue about the Wade exit but there's nothing to debate with Bosh here. The guy is being an absolute prick.

Anyways, I remember when Orlando balked at maxing Shaq and Magic fans even voted that he wasn't worth the money. So Shaq left. A few years later they signed top prized FAs Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady, and they were about to sign Tim Duncan before he decided last minute to stay in San Antonio.

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Heat say they tried to reach Bosh via phone, text and email three days before media day, getting no response. Also tried agent and assistant

There is always two sides to every story. I am inclined to believe the Heat that they Chris wasn't answering his phone. However, I'm sure if they really wanted to reach him, they would have.

Having said that, I agree with you. The handling of the Wade situation was bad. Bosh is kind of being difficult. It's understandable because he is trying to save his career. On the other hand, we do not know whats going on behind closed doors. I also don't think we'll get anybody good for a while, but mostly because I don't really think there will be any game changers on the free agent market. Russell Westbrook was it and he extended his contract. I do agree with what somebody said, the perception may not matter to players as much as it does to fans.

Prince Ali · Post #6 » by **Prince Ali** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:47 am

youngsters aren't checking for Wade or Bosh, we'll be fine.

gom · Post #7 » by **gom** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:48 am

Bosh is "kind of being difficult" is a pretty huge understatement. I'm Bosh's fan, but he's being an ass.

contract · Post #8 » by **contract** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:48 am

The state tax situation, weather, and lifestyle, aren't changing, so we'll still be attractive. What will become harder is conning players into signing here for less money.

contract · Post #9 » by **contract** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:57 am

MorbidHEAT wrote:...

Bosh not answering is believable ... but unless his agent died or went out of business, he's answering the phone if a team calls.

Bosh isn't his only client, and this won't be the last time he has to deal with the Heat.

Saying that an agent wouldn't answer the phone is nonsense.

puppa bear · Post #10 » by **puppa bear** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 11:21 am

contract wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:...

Bosh not answering is believable ... but unless his agent died or went out of business, he's answering the phone if a team calls.

Bosh isn't his only client, and this won't be the last time he has to deal with the Heat.

Saying that an agent wouldn't answer the phone is nonsense.

I doubt the agent didn't pick up, more likely he took a message, spoke to his client, then said he hadn't been able to reach his client (or some similar bs).

krikor · Post #11 » by **krikor** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 12:11 pm

there is no reputation in draft. we need to draft a star

puppa bear · Post #12 » by **puppa bear** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 2:47 pm

krikor wrote:there is no reputation in draft. we need to draft a star

We could be in line for a top-5 this year, and that might be enough to nab one.

Hallstar · Post #13 » by **Hallstar** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 3:12 pm

The Zaire Wade plan is in full effect I guess

Hallstar · Post #14 » by **Hallstar** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 3:22 pm

contract wrote:The state tax situation, weather, and lifestyle, aren't changing, so we'll still be attractive. What will become harder is conning players into signing here for less money.

That gets you max contract Rashard Lewis. If people don't see the luster is very gone after the last 2 years they want to be blind.

Post #15 » by **BFRESH44** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:03 pm

Meh. I find this sentiment to be rubbish.

Free agents are drawn to quality core talent, money, well ran organizations, money, and of course money. Nobody is going to give a rats ass about any of the aforementioned. If the Heat have the core talent, and the money available, they will ALWAYS be a major player in free agency.

Say hypothetically Justise Winslow develops into a two way star, and Josh Richardson develops into a borderline one, if you think that any of the aforementioned is going to deter a free agent from joining the Heat, then I have a shorefront property in Liberty City to show you.

All well ran sports franchises have made tough business decisions. Give me a break lol.

Shewasfly · Post #16 » by **Shewasfly** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:23 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:Meh. I find this sentiment to be rubbish.

Free agents are drawn to quality core talent, money, well ran organizations, money, and of course money. Nobody is going to give a rats ass about any of the aforementioned. If the Heat have the core talent, and the money available, they will ALWAYS be a major player in free agency.

Say hypothetically Justise Winslow develops into a two way star, and Josh Richardson develops into a borderline one, if you think that any of aforementioned is going to deter a free agent from joining the Heat, then I have a shorefront property in Liberty City to show you.

All well ran sports franchises have made tough business decisions. Give me a break lol.

Unfortunately for us we won't be the only team out of the other 29 in the league that will be allowed to develop core talent and stockpile money. We need something to differentiate us. And now that we don't have a legend and HOFer recruiting for us, and in addition to that have a bit of a stink following us because of how we treated him, its harder to stand out with those other 29 teams. We also can't pretend to have a better, "family" culture than the rest of the league (and it be believable) because of that. If you want to discount all that fine, but its not as crazy as you are attempting to make people believe.

I agree that the state tax thing is going to make things a lot easier though. That's definitely something that will keep us from sinking into perpetually bad territory imo.

Post #17 » by **BFRESH44** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:44 pm

Shewasfly wrote:We also can't pretend to have a better, "family" culture than the rest of the league (and it be believable) because of that.

Sure they can. A "family culture" doesn't comprise of adhering to any and every demand of a diva star player.

It's about the structure and professionalism. Two things the organization certainly will always represent under the Arison ownership.

Shewasfly · Post #18 » by **Shewasfly** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 5:53 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:We also can't pretend to have a better, "family" culture than the rest of the league (and it be believable) because of that.

Sure they can. A "family culture" doesn't comprise of adhering to any and every demand of a diva star player.

It's about the structure and professionalism. Two things the organization certainly will always represent under the Arison ownership.

Right...

Much like you guys think this is stuff that only matters to fans, I think the supposed "structure and professionalism" of our team at this point is something only yall view so highly. I certainly don't think its the case with the players.

MorbidHEAT · Post #19 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 7:19 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:Meh. I find this sentiment to be rubbish.

Free agents are drawn to quality core talent, money, well ran organizations, money, and of course money. Nobody is going to give a rats ass about any of the aforementioned. If the Heat have the core talent, and the money available, they will ALWAYS be a major player in free agency.

Say hypothetically Justise Winslow develops into a two way star, and Josh Richardson develops into a borderline one, if you think that any of the aforementioned is going to deter a free agent from joining the Heat, then I have a shorefront property in Liberty City to show you.

All well ran sports franchises have made tough business decisions. Give me a break lol.

You mentioned well ran organizations as part of what players are drawn to. Would you consider an organization that allegedly mistreats its superstar talent to be a well ran organization? The case can be made that there are players saying "well, if they treat superstar Dwyane Wade like that, how are they going to treat a support player like me"?

Nobody knows what really happened behind closed doors, but things don't have to be true to be widely believed and accepted. I'm not willing to completely dismiss perception though, and say that it does not play a factor in decisions. I've had times where I've had similar job offers, with similar money. I made the decision after a quick google search to see which company is best to work for.

MorbidHEAT · Post #20 » by **MorbidHEAT** » Sat Oct 1, 2016 7:21 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:
Shewasfly wrote:We also can't pretend to have a better, "family" culture than the rest of the league (and it be believable) because of that.

Sure they can. A "family culture" doesn't comprise of adhering to any and every demand of a diva star player.

It's about the structure and professionalism. Two things the organization certainly will always represent under the Arison ownership.

Structure can't be denied. Professionalism is whats under attack now though. Whether it's true or not, is it professional to let an athlete find out that he failed a physical through the media? Players generally tend to side with other players.