Where is Nerlens?

[Ericb5]

Well hypothetically, trading Noel or Okafor for a big man like Porzingis would make a lot of sense. He along with either of the two remaining centers on the floor together is a much better fit than two of our current centers on the floor together. Not to mention, Simmons at the 3 (when he comes back in December ) becomes a viable option.

I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor or Noel. Don't get me wrong, but that isn't going to happen. Even Porzingis wouldn't solve our issues because Simmons is a better prospect that STILL may be best playing the 4. Of course Porzingis is a better fit with Embiid than Okafor or Noel though, and that is a big advantage.

Still, we need to trade for a wing, or preferably a guard outside of a huge talent imbalance in our favor for an Okafor/Noel deal.


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Porzingis is a nice player don't get me wrong but I'm not convinced he'll necessarily have the better career then Okafor. I mean sure he's a big that shoots threes but he didn't really make them last season and shot .421 overall on the season. He also was supposed to be working on his low post game and adding weight this offseason.

The most recent report has him adding one pound. So yeah it looks like he'll continue to be a work in progress. I know I'm going to get called a homer but another reason why I really am not concerned about Porzingis as many of you here is because I believe in Okafor as a person, player, and prospect. Ask Michael Carter-Williams how much a great rookie year means. It means squat if you don't build on it and develop your game.

I'm not saying that Porzingis will have a better career than Okafor. Im just saying that he fits with Embiid better. That's it.

I think that down deep Okafor is a more talented person than Porzingis. Okafor will have the better career is what I am predicting, although it could go either way.


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[Unbreakable99]

Well hypothetically, trading Noel or Okafor for a big man like Porzingis would make a lot of sense. He along with either of the two remaining centers on the floor together is a much better fit than two of our current centers on the floor together. Not to mention, Simmons at the 3 (when he comes back in December ) becomes a viable option.

I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor or Noel. Don't get me wrong, but that isn't going to happen. Even Porzingis wouldn't solve our issues because Simmons is a better prospect that STILL may be best playing the 4. Of course Porzingis is a better fit with Embiid than Okafor or Noel though, and that is a big advantage.

Still, we need to trade for a wing, or preferably a guard outside of a huge talent imbalance in our favor for an Okafor/Noel deal.


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Porzingis is a nice player don't get me wrong but I'm not convinced he'll necessarily have the better career then Okafor. I mean sure he's a big that shoots threes but he didn't really make them last season and shot .421 overall on the season. He also was supposed to be working on his low post game and adding weight this offseason.

The most recent report has him adding one pound. So yeah it looks like he'll continue to be a work in progress. I know I'm going to get called a homer but another reason why I really am not concerned about Porzingis as many of you here is because I believe in Okafor as a person, player, and prospect. Ask Michael Carter-Williams how much a great rookie year means. It means squat if you don't build on it and develop your game.

This is the most homerish post ever. Not one GM would take Okafor over Porzingis.

[spikeslovechild]

I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor or Noel. Don't get me wrong, but that isn't going to happen. Even Porzingis wouldn't solve our issues because Simmons is a better prospect that STILL may be best playing the 4. Of course Porzingis is a better fit with Embiid than Okafor or Noel though, and that is a big advantage.

Still, we need to trade for a wing, or preferably a guard outside of a huge talent imbalance in our favor for an Okafor/Noel deal.


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Porzingis is a nice player don't get me wrong but I'm not convinced he'll necessarily have the better career then Okafor. I mean sure he's a big that shoots threes but he didn't really make them last season and shot .421 overall on the season. He also was supposed to be working on his low post game and adding weight this offseason.

The most recent report has him adding one pound. So yeah it looks like he'll continue to be a work in progress. I know I'm going to get called a homer but another reason why I really am not concerned about Porzingis as many of you here is because I believe in Okafor as a person, player, and prospect. Ask Michael Carter-Williams how much a great rookie year means. It means squat if you don't build on it and develop your game.

This is the most homerish post ever. Not one GM would take Okafor over Porzingis.

Wells ours did and I regard Hinkie quite highly. Also, he wouldn't have been the only one. I would actually wager a significant amount of money had you picked 10-15 GM's out of a hat the majority would have taken Okafor.

I just think we have be careful to separate hype from reality. Porzingis had a very good rookie season but his numbers on the offensive end don't pop. He only hit .333 of his threes. He didn't rebound all that much though he competed much better then I thought he'd be able to . Actually if you take a look at the sweetspot of 3-9 feet on BR Okafor actually did better. He shot .463. Porzingis shot .356.

Of course Porzingis has range but he only shot .333% from 3PT which is well below league average of .354 last season. I think where alot of the hype comes from is where they feel his game could go if he added 20-30 pounds of muscle and his 3PT shot continues to develop but he isn't there yet and like I said most recent reports have him adding one pound in the offseason.

As we've seen with Noel just bringing it somewhat back on topic sometimes these things never develop. Who thought year four we'd still be waiting for him to develop a jumpshot and add muscle? I certainly didn't. At the time of the draft my goal wasn't to draft another Biyombo. After Micheal Carter Williams rookie season would any of you traded for Giannis? Giannis averaged 6.8 points on .414 shooting. How about C.J. McCollum? He averaged 5.3 and 6.8 points his first two rookie seasons.

Anyone whose watched the NBA for as long as I have and I suspect as long as many of you have -- have seen it many times. Heck, I remember when BC was with the Raptors and drafted Bargs he had an excellent rookie year btw. But he never built on that and settled to be basically the same player year one as he was towards the end of his career. Thats one thing I feel I don't have to worry about with Okafor and I really think we'll see the work he put in during the offseason in large part while being injured pay off.

[Unbreakable99]

Porzingis is a nice player don't get me wrong but I'm not convinced he'll necessarily have the better career then Okafor. I mean sure he's a big that shoots threes but he didn't really make them last season and shot .421 overall on the season. He also was supposed to be working on his low post game and adding weight this offseason.

The most recent report has him adding one pound. So yeah it looks like he'll continue to be a work in progress. I know I'm going to get called a homer but another reason why I really am not concerned about Porzingis as many of you here is because I believe in Okafor as a person, player, and prospect. Ask Michael Carter-Williams how much a great rookie year means. It means squat if you don't build on it and develop your game.

This is the most homerish post ever. Not one GM would take Okafor over Porzingis.

Wells ours did and I regard Hinkie quite highly. Also, he wouldn't have been the only one. I would actually wager a significant amount of money had you picked 10-15 GM's out of a hat the majority would have taken Okafor.

I just think we have be careful to separate hype from reality. Porzingis had a very good rookie season but his numbers on the offensive end don't pop. He only hit .333 of his threes. He didn't rebound all that much though he competed much better then I thought he'd be able to . Actually if you take a look at the sweetspot of 3-9 feet on BR Okafor actually did better. He shot .463. Porzingis shot .356.

Of course Porzingis has range but he only shot .333% from 3PT which is well below league average of .354 last season. I think where alot of the hype comes from is where they feel his game could go if he added 20-30 pounds of muscle and his 3PT shot continues to develop but he isn't there yet and like I said most recent reports have him adding one pound in the offseason.

As we've seen with Noel just bringing it somewhat back on topic sometimes these things never develop. Who thought year four we'd still be waiting for him to develop a jumpshot and add muscle? I certainly didn't. At the time of the draft my goal wasn't to draft another Biyombo. After Micheal Carter Williams rookie season would any of you traded for Giannis? Giannis averaged 6.8 points on .414 shooting. How about C.J. McCollum? He averaged 5.3 and 6.8 points his first two rookie seasons.

Anyone whose watched the NBA for as long as I have and I suspect as long as many of you have -- have seen it many times. Heck, I remember when BC was with the Raptors and drafted Bargs he had an excellent rookie year btw. But he never built on that and settled to be basically the same player year one as he was towards the end of his career. Thats one thing I feel I don't have to worry about with Okafor and I really think we'll see the work he put in during the offseason in large part while being injured pay off.

Hinkie took Okafor over Porzingis before he saw what they could do in the NBA. Hinkie messed that up. After seeing them play Hinkie obviously would have taken Porzingis over Okafor if he had hindsight. And you can tell Porzingis has the stroke to shoot better. He will shoot a lot better from 3 this season. It's not really debatable. Hinkie would take Porzingis over Okafor now after seeing a year of play. And every other GM would take Porzingis over Okafor without hesitation. We can't win every pick. We just have to take the L and move on.

[76ciology]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

[Embiid P]

Ok let's assume that Embiid pans out and turns into a beast for us. Given that Noel will be a free agent next year albeit restricted and we aren't getting many great offers for him or Okafor given our logjam at the 4/5 positions, would it be best to get what we can for either of them (preferably closer to the deadline to a team that needs a big man) or just let Noel walk for nothing at season's end? All things equal I think Okafor has slightly more value than Noel does at this time since he is under control for another 3 seasons.

Personally, I'm leaning more towards the latter option as it would free up cap space to allow us to address a position of need. Given that the cap will rise again next season, I'm thinking he'll command upwards of 20 million per year.

[youngcrev]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

[76ciology]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

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Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

[LloydFree]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

You keep posting that you don't want to be involved in this endless debate about Okafor, but you keep posting this nonsense about Okafor's defense, that's ripe for picking apart. You don't want to debate this topic, but you are the main one that keeps bringing it up. Stop with the "I don't want to get back into this endless debate" stuff. You do want to keep this debate going.

[eagereyez]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

Read on Twitter

Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

Speed =/= quickness.

[76ciology]

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

Read on Twitter

Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

Speed =/= quickness.

As you can see.. after my masteral degree in jahlil okafor debate university, i have learned to be very careful with my words. With that said, I didn't state Jah is a "quick" defender. I just conservatively described him being a mobile defender which correlates with his speed on court and number of shots challenge per game.

[youngcrev]

We all don't know if Hinkie didn't want Okafor. But I'd say action is heavier than hearsay.

With that said, I don't think Hinkie viewed Jah as an immobile defender who is post heavy on offense.

I do think Hinkie viewed Jah as a mobile defender (top 4 in mph on defense among centers with atleast 20mpg) who's going to be one of the leader among centers in amount of shots challenged per game with his wingspan/verticality and a diverse offense that is not limited to post scoring. And both were true and evident based on Jah's sportsVU numbers.

What's lacking from Jah is experience to read and react quicker on D and more time to develop his jumper.

Yeah, Porzingis' ability to space the floor would be a better fit with Simmons/Embiid. But I wouldn't say it would be a great fit and there are far more better player who would be a better fit than KP.

While I still think Jah's potential 20+ppg scoring is a more valued trait than KP's 3&D game for a star player.

Preseason is like 5 days away, I hope we can give Jah a clean slate as we look forward to the new NBA season.

I promise you he will be better this year. And please don't forget that I told you so.

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

Read on Twitter

Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

Not trying to debate Okafor, just got caught off guard by those comments. Calling Jah a mobile defender certainly goes against the grain, and bringing up a stat I've never heard of to defend it seemed even wackier.

"The average speed of all movements (sprinting, jogging, standing, walking, backwards and forwards)." So basically they put a pedometer on guys and divided their steps by their time on the floor to yield miles per hour. It really doesn't tell you all that much if you think about it. Certainly doesn't seem to tell you how fast or quick anyone is, just how much they move around while on the floor.

[76ers 2020]

As you can see.. after my masteral degree in jahlil okafor debate university, i have learned to be very careful with my words. With that said, I didn't state Jah is a "quick" defender. I just conservatively described him being a mobile defender which correlates with his speed on court and number of shots challenge per game.

Those shot challenged numbers are computer generated and just count when a player is in the general vicinity. You need to consider the possibility his number is higher because guys get off more shots around him without consequence.

[spikeslovechild]

This is the most homerish post ever. Not one GM would take Okafor over Porzingis.

Wells ours did and I regard Hinkie quite highly. Also, he wouldn't have been the only one. I would actually wager a significant amount of money had you picked 10-15 GM's out of a hat the majority would have taken Okafor.

I just think we have be careful to separate hype from reality. Porzingis had a very good rookie season but his numbers on the offensive end don't pop. He only hit .333 of his threes. He didn't rebound all that much though he competed much better then I thought he'd be able to . Actually if you take a look at the sweetspot of 3-9 feet on BR Okafor actually did better. He shot .463. Porzingis shot .356.

Of course Porzingis has range but he only shot .333% from 3PT which is well below league average of .354 last season. I think where alot of the hype comes from is where they feel his game could go if he added 20-30 pounds of muscle and his 3PT shot continues to develop but he isn't there yet and like I said most recent reports have him adding one pound in the offseason.

As we've seen with Noel just bringing it somewhat back on topic sometimes these things never develop. Who thought year four we'd still be waiting for him to develop a jumpshot and add muscle? I certainly didn't. At the time of the draft my goal wasn't to draft another Biyombo. After Micheal Carter Williams rookie season would any of you traded for Giannis? Giannis averaged 6.8 points on .414 shooting. How about C.J. McCollum? He averaged 5.3 and 6.8 points his first two rookie seasons.

Anyone whose watched the NBA for as long as I have and I suspect as long as many of you have -- have seen it many times. Heck, I remember when BC was with the Raptors and drafted Bargs he had an excellent rookie year btw. But he never built on that and settled to be basically the same player year one as he was towards the end of his career. Thats one thing I feel I don't have to worry about with Okafor and I really think we'll see the work he put in during the offseason in large part while being injured pay off.

Hinkie took Okafor over Porzingis before he saw what they could do in the NBA. Hinkie messed that up. After seeing them play Hinkie obviously would have taken Porzingis over Okafor if he had hindsight. And you can tell Porzingis has the stroke to shoot better. He will shoot a lot better from 3 this season. It's not really debatable. Hinkie would take Porzingis over Okafor now after seeing a year of play. And every other GM would take Porzingis over Okafor without hesitation. We can't win every pick. We just have to take the L and move on.

I think thats sort of the difference. I'm not willing to concede the L and move on. It's still early. We are essentially 25M in an 100M race and you want to concede Porzingis the winner when he isn't even that far ahead. I won't do it.

We'll see where both players are in three years. One thing I know about Okafor is he's willing to put in the work in. If he doesn't make it on defense and becomes a 1D player it won't be because he didn't put the work in it will be because he was physically incapable which I don't believe he is.

Personally, I was amazed just in the span of 60 games or so how much Okafor developed his game. You have to remember he entered the league with no jumpshot and a .500 FT shooter. I'm excited not only to see how he improves this year but how he uses some areas of his game he didn't tap last year. Like his passing and how that translates to other players on the roster.

[Ericb5]

Wells ours did and I regard Hinkie quite highly. Also, he wouldn't have been the only one. I would actually wager a significant amount of money had you picked 10-15 GM's out of a hat the majority would have taken Okafor.

I just think we have be careful to separate hype from reality. Porzingis had a very good rookie season but his numbers on the offensive end don't pop. He only hit .333 of his threes. He didn't rebound all that much though he competed much better then I thought he'd be able to . Actually if you take a look at the sweetspot of 3-9 feet on BR Okafor actually did better. He shot .463. Porzingis shot .356.

Of course Porzingis has range but he only shot .333% from 3PT which is well below league average of .354 last season. I think where alot of the hype comes from is where they feel his game could go if he added 20-30 pounds of muscle and his 3PT shot continues to develop but he isn't there yet and like I said most recent reports have him adding one pound in the offseason.

As we've seen with Noel just bringing it somewhat back on topic sometimes these things never develop. Who thought year four we'd still be waiting for him to develop a jumpshot and add muscle? I certainly didn't. At the time of the draft my goal wasn't to draft another Biyombo. After Micheal Carter Williams rookie season would any of you traded for Giannis? Giannis averaged 6.8 points on .414 shooting. How about C.J. McCollum? He averaged 5.3 and 6.8 points his first two rookie seasons.

Anyone whose watched the NBA for as long as I have and I suspect as long as many of you have -- have seen it many times. Heck, I remember when BC was with the Raptors and drafted Bargs he had an excellent rookie year btw. But he never built on that and settled to be basically the same player year one as he was towards the end of his career. Thats one thing I feel I don't have to worry about with Okafor and I really think we'll see the work he put in during the offseason in large part while being injured pay off.

Hinkie took Okafor over Porzingis before he saw what they could do in the NBA. Hinkie messed that up. After seeing them play Hinkie obviously would have taken Porzingis over Okafor if he had hindsight. And you can tell Porzingis has the stroke to shoot better. He will shoot a lot better from 3 this season. It's not really debatable. Hinkie would take Porzingis over Okafor now after seeing a year of play. And every other GM would take Porzingis over Okafor without hesitation. We can't win every pick. We just have to take the L and move on.

I think thats sort of the difference. I'm not willing to concede the L and move on. It's still early. We are essentially 25M in an 100M race and you want to concede Porzingis the winner when he isn't even that far ahead. I won't do it.

We'll see where both players are in three years. One thing I know about Okafor is he's willing to put in the work in. If he doesn't make it on defense and becomes a 1D player it won't be because he didn't put the work in it will be because he was physically incapable which I don't believe he is.

Personally, I was amazed just in the span of 60 games or so how much Okafor developed his game. You have to remember he entered the league with no jumpshot and a .500 FT shooter. I'm excited not only to see how he improves this year but how he uses some areas of his game he didn't tap last year. Like his passing and how that translates to other players on the roster.

Porzingis isn't ahead right now. He just would clearly fit better with Embiid.

If Okafor had gone to the Knicks he would have been given all of the hype that Porzingis has now.




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[youngcrev]

Wait... what? Jah viewed as a mobile defender? MPH on defense is a stat? Feels pretty contrived... and ripe for a joke about his driving

Yes, they do track their speed.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/speed/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C&sort=AVG_SPEED_DEF&dir=1

I'm pointing out his mobility on defense based on his average speed on defense and amount of shots challenged per game. His rim protection numbers also isn't so bad.

Read on Twitter

Anyway, I won't be involved in this endless debate about Okafor again. And I'll leave you with my thread on twitter that points out to my view on Okafor, complete with video clips and sportsVU stats.

Speed =/= quickness.

Hell, it's not really even a speed stat at it's core, but rather one that shows activity level.

[Andrew McCeltic]

That "mph" figure is really interesting, but the fact he's a tick above Nerlens in both offensive and defensive speed tells you it's not a great stat. It doesn't mean he has quick reaction times, and being slow in that respect could be canceled out if you have speed once you get rolling. If he's covering more ground on defense, that could also be because he's a beat behind, and if you're running quickly to chase a guy after a screen, or to try to burst to the perimeter to defend a shot after a previous breakdown, it could smooth out the stats and give an impression of being a more active and effective defender than is warranted. But it is a really interesting bit.

There's not much precedent for a guy improving rebounding significantly after a rookie year like his, although it could happen. But despite there not being much precedent on defense, either, that seems much easier to chalk up to a rookie fluke.

[spikeslovechild]

Hinkie took Okafor over Porzingis before he saw what they could do in the NBA. Hinkie messed that up. After seeing them play Hinkie obviously would have taken Porzingis over Okafor if he had hindsight. And you can tell Porzingis has the stroke to shoot better. He will shoot a lot better from 3 this season. It's not really debatable. Hinkie would take Porzingis over Okafor now after seeing a year of play. And every other GM would take Porzingis over Okafor without hesitation. We can't win every pick. We just have to take the L and move on.

I think thats sort of the difference. I'm not willing to concede the L and move on. It's still early. We are essentially 25M in an 100M race and you want to concede Porzingis the winner when he isn't even that far ahead. I won't do it.

We'll see where both players are in three years. One thing I know about Okafor is he's willing to put in the work in. If he doesn't make it on defense and becomes a 1D player it won't be because he didn't put the work in it will be because he was physically incapable which I don't believe he is.

Personally, I was amazed just in the span of 60 games or so how much Okafor developed his game. You have to remember he entered the league with no jumpshot and a .500 FT shooter. I'm excited not only to see how he improves this year but how he uses some areas of his game he didn't tap last year. Like his passing and how that translates to other players on the roster.

Porzingis isn't ahead right now. He just would clearly fit better with Embiid.

If Okafor had gone to the Knicks he would have been given all of the hype that Porzingis has now.




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Well I do think overall Porzingis had the better year. I mean it's alot closer then the Okafor haters will admit but still he had the better season.

However, one thing I think I think bears mentioning is how both players finished the season prior to get injured. Porzingis was fading badly. Okafor was ascending.

For example post allstar: Porzingis 18GP .408 FG%, .294 3PT%, and .508 TS%, Okafor 6 GP .634 FG%, .659 TS%.

Now obviously in Okafor case that is a small sample size but if you take a look at the last two months prior to injury January and Feb he played 23 games and had a .600 TS%.

[Ericb5]

I think thats sort of the difference. I'm not willing to concede the L and move on. It's still early. We are essentially 25M in an 100M race and you want to concede Porzingis the winner when he isn't even that far ahead. I won't do it.

We'll see where both players are in three years. One thing I know about Okafor is he's willing to put in the work in. If he doesn't make it on defense and becomes a 1D player it won't be because he didn't put the work in it will be because he was physically incapable which I don't believe he is.

Personally, I was amazed just in the span of 60 games or so how much Okafor developed his game. You have to remember he entered the league with no jumpshot and a .500 FT shooter. I'm excited not only to see how he improves this year but how he uses some areas of his game he didn't tap last year. Like his passing and how that translates to other players on the roster.

Porzingis isn't ahead right now. He just would clearly fit better with Embiid.

If Okafor had gone to the Knicks he would have been given all of the hype that Porzingis has now.




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Well I do think overall Porzingis had the better year. I mean it's alot closer then the Okafor haters will admit but still he had the better season.

However, one thing I think I think bears mentioning is how both players finished the season prior to get injured. Porzingis was fading badly. Okafor was ascending.

For example post allstar: Porzingis 18GP .408 FG%, .294 3PT%, and .508 TS%, Okafor 6 GP .634 FG%, .659 TS%.

Now obviously in Okafor case that is a small sample size but if you take a look at the last two months prior to injury January and Feb he played 23 games and had a .600 TS%.

Yeah, it is early days evaluating them. If they both stay healthy this year I think we will know a lot more about them with a full second year of data on them.


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