Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[payitforward]

The eff? What are these numbers you guys are looking at?

Harrison: 11.7, 1.8, 4.9, 0.6, 0.2 ORTG 114
Otto: 11.6, 1.6, 5.2, 1.4, 0.4 ORTG 112

The difference here is that one guy 30.9 MPG on a top 3 team all time with a clear excuse for not being able to give more offensively, and the other guy was....on I think the most injured team in the league in terms of minutes missed with the teams best scorer being a pass first PG...oh, and in the Eastern Conference

Yes, Barnes got overpaid. But why? Because of the CONTEXT both of you are missing. That context being Barnes got a team usa invite for a reason. That context being he is thought to have upside because of the role he had to play with the teammates around him.

If it were just numbers then yea, Otto should be entitled to the same contract. But that's in a world without context.

I'm probably not one to talk, but... your posting style is too argumentative....

I should prob. take some of the responsibility for that -- I elevated the heat by calling his just-previous post on Porter "BS. Start to finish." Not necessary....

[Ruzious]

You're cherry picking really hard lol. They had very similar stats, but we know Harrison is the better man defender and he could only put up so many shots on a team like that. Otto played with a pass first point guard with Brad out of the lineup much of the year while not even getting a guy like Kieff until the deadline. He could have taken as many shots as he wanted.

The fact is that they are comparable players but you'd be hard pressed to rank him over Harrison right now even if the difference is not large. Harrison has simply done more in a situation demanding him to be a roleplayer. Otto has done very little in a situation where we were desperate for someone to grab the reins offensively all year in the East.

Or the fact is you just enjoy incessantly bashing a player that isn't aesthetically pleasing to you. Although I'm not sure what Barnes has done to earn your respect other than being a former #1 prospect out of high school & have the luck to play with Golden State Warriors. Whatever the case there's little to no evidence that supports your opinion.

Barnes and Beal are 2 of a kind. Both pretty boys with high expectations. Both physically just what you look for at their positions. Both 3 point shots like budduh. Both lousy penetrators who really don't do a hole lot well offensively other than shoot 3's and look pretty.

[gambitx777]

You're cherry picking really hard lol. They had very similar stats, but we know Harrison is the better man defender and he could only put up so many shots on a team like that. Otto played with a pass first point guard with Brad out of the lineup much of the year while not even getting a guy like Kieff until the deadline. He could have taken as many shots as he wanted.

The fact is that they are comparable players but you'd be hard pressed to rank him over Harrison right now even if the difference is not large. Harrison has simply done more in a situation demanding him to be a roleplayer. Otto has done very little in a situation where we were desperate for someone to grab the reins offensively all year in the East.

Or the fact is you just enjoy incessantly bashing a player that isn't aesthetically pleasing to you. Although I'm not sure what Barnes has done to earn your respect other than being a former #1 prospect out of high school & have the luck to play with Golden State Warriors. Whatever the case there's little to no evidence that supports your opinion.

Barnes and Beal are 2 of a kind. Both pretty boys with high expectations. Both physically just what you look for at their positions. Both 3 point shots like budduh. Both lousy penetrators who really don't do a hole lot well offensively other than shoot 3's and look pretty.

I personally don't think Otto is that attractive, but IM just sayin lol.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You're cherry picking really hard lol. They had very similar stats, but we know Harrison is the better man defender and he could only put up so many shots on a team like that. Otto played with a pass first point guard with Brad out of the lineup much of the year while not even getting a guy like Kieff until the deadline. He could have taken as many shots as he wanted.

The fact is that they are comparable players but you'd be hard pressed to rank him over Harrison right now even if the difference is not large. Harrison has simply done more in a situation demanding him to be a roleplayer. Otto has done very little in a situation where we were desperate for someone to grab the reins offensively all year in the East.

Or the fact is you just enjoy incessantly bashing a player that isn't aesthetically pleasing to you. Although I'm not sure what Barnes has done to earn your respect other than being a former #1 prospect out of high school & have the luck to play with Golden State Warriors. Whatever the case there's little to no evidence that supports your opinion.

Barnes and Beal are 2 of a kind. Both pretty boys with high expectations. Both physically just what you look for at their positions. Both 3 point shots like budduh. Both lousy penetrators who really don't do a hole lot well offensively other than shoot 3's and look pretty.

I pretty much agree with this, 100%, Ruzious.

[Dark Faze]

Brooks calling the SF position in particular an open competition is a bit odd. Pretty clear statement that he likes Oubre and he's not starting guys "just cuz". Can't wait to see Otto and KO battle it out. I think Otto would win in the short term though.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wall doesn't seem to like Otto very much. That's part of it IMO.

I like Otto a lot. I would rather see them move Wall than Otto at this point. May sound crazy, but I see Otto as a solid guy, a young guy, and a mostly healthy guy. He is the last guy they need to trade IMO.

[Ruzious]

Wall doesn't seem to like Otto very much. That's part of it IMO.

I like Otto a lot. I would rather see them move Wall than Otto at this point. May sound crazy, but I see Otto as a solid guy, a young guy, and a mostly healthy guy. He is the last guy they need to trade IMO.

Where did that conclusion come from?

[TGW]

Wall doesn't seem to like Otto very much. That's part of it IMO.

I like Otto a lot. I would rather see them move Wall than Otto at this point. May sound crazy, but I see Otto as a solid guy, a young guy, and a mostly healthy guy. He is the last guy they need to trade IMO.

Where did that conclusion come from?

Yes, because going forward with Trey Burke at point guard is a good idea?

[gambitx777]

one thing I have always loved about brooks is that he will never give guys the starting job just because they are the presumed starters . he make syou earn it and if someone else does they start.

[nate33]

You're cherry picking really hard lol. They had very similar stats, but we know Harrison is the better man defender and he could only put up so many shots on a team like that. Otto played with a pass first point guard with Brad out of the lineup much of the year while not even getting a guy like Kieff until the deadline. He could have taken as many shots as he wanted.

The fact is that they are comparable players but you'd be hard pressed to rank him over Harrison right now even if the difference is not large. Harrison has simply done more in a situation demanding him to be a roleplayer. Otto has done very little in a situation where we were desperate for someone to grab the reins offensively all year in the East.

Or the fact is you just enjoy incessantly bashing a player that isn't aesthetically pleasing to you. Although I'm not sure what Barnes has done to earn your respect other than being a former #1 prospect out of high school & have the luck to play with Golden State Warriors. Whatever the case there's little to no evidence that supports your opinion.

Barnes and Beal are 2 of a kind. Both pretty boys with high expectations. Both physically just what you look for at their positions. Both 3 point shots like budduh. Both lousy penetrators who really don't do a hole lot well offensively other than shoot 3's and look pretty.

This is a really interesting comparison. I agree completely. I will say that Beal does appear to have better ball-handling and penetration skills than Barnes. One can at least envision a scenario where Beal is a reasonably high usage player (25% or so) while having modestly above-average efficiency. He's not there yet, but it could happen.

On the other hand, Barnes ability to guard PF's allows him to help a team by spreading the floor in a 4-out set, even if he has no versatility to his offensive game whatsoever. A 3&D PF who shoots 39% from 3-point range is a very useful role player (though certainly not worth of a max contract).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wall doesn't seem to like Otto very much. That's part of it IMO.

I like Otto a lot. I would rather see them move Wall than Otto at this point. May sound crazy, but I see Otto as a solid guy, a young guy, and a mostly healthy guy. He is the last guy they need to trade IMO.

Where did that conclusion come from?

Some random comment about who runs the court well (not Otto); and my perception. I could be wrong.

[gambitx777]

Could tomas play well enough that we trade beal?

[nate33]

Could tomas play well enough that we trade beal?

If Beal gets outplayed by a rookie, I don't see him having any trade value whatsoever. We'd be lucky to be able to dump his contract.

[gambitx777]

Could tomas play well enough that we trade beal?

If Beal gets outplayed by a rookie, I don't see him having any trade value whatsoever. We'd be lucky to be able to dump his contract.

#1 Tomas is the man lol
#2 I am not talking bout him playing badly and tomas just out playing him. I am talking about beal doing fine and tomas still playing well enough that we don't need him. I mean there are teams that need two guards and have the assets to trade for him. Bosh would be an option. the 76ers would be an option. if boogie implodes that could be an option.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Sato looks like a point guard period. I think he'll be a reasonable back up to John. I don't see the skills of a 2 or 3.

[AFM]

Sato looks like a point guard period. I think he'll be a reasonable back up to John. I don't see the skills of a 2 or 3.

He's a 6'7 PG. Watching him play it's clear. NOT a SF just because of his height. He's what Lebron was in Miami, when he was handling the rock in most lineups..

He will be better than Beal by the end of the year, I am sure of it.

PIF can post naked photos of me, if I'm wrong (he has them).

[AFM]

Sato looks like a point guard period. I think he'll be a reasonable back up to John. I don't see the skills of a 2 or 3.

He has to be. Burke is one of those turds, that is long and green, and hangs onto your ass hairs, hanging onto dear life. He has no future in this league. Matter of fact, I want to apologize to my last poo poo for the unkind comparison.

[dangermouse]

Sato looks like a point guard period. I think he'll be a reasonable back up to John. I don't see the skills of a 2 or 3.

He has to be. Burke is one of those turds, that is long and green, and hangs onto your ass hairs, hanging onto dear life. He has no future in this league. Matter of fact, I want to apologize to my last poo poo for the unkind comparison.

Ive heard some insults in my life but this was absolute savagery

[AFM]

Sato looks like a point guard period. I think he'll be a reasonable back up to John. I don't see the skills of a 2 or 3.

He has to be. Burke is one of those turds, that is long and green, and hangs onto your ass hairs, hanging onto dear life. He has no future in this league. Matter of fact, I want to apologize to my last poo poo for the unkind comparison.

Ive heard some insults in my life but this was absolute savagery

Dangermouse,

You only recognize such savagery, because you have exited such turds yourself. RIP.

You are always welcome in my bathroom.

I play this track every time I take a dump, thinking of Jan Vesely, RIP.

Watch on YouTube

[dangermouse]

After watching the game, youre absolutely right about Burke haha