OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[SHO'NUFF]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

[gardenofsound]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

For black people, the tenant discrimination practice was pretty shady.

[chifan1798]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

Probably because since he has stereotypes or shows racism towards another ethnic group, it's likely that isn't the only group that he is prejudice against. I'm black, and I found it appalling what he said about Mexicans. It's just flat out racist. No one has to be the same race that he offended to still think he's racist. I figured he likely doesn't think much of black people either (as well as other ethnicities), and low and behold, he makes a broad statement about how our schools are horrible, we don't have jobs, etc, as if that's your typical black person. I went to great schools, have multiple degrees, my parents were middle class, and we lived in a decent neighborhood.....same goes for a lot of my other black friends. There are only very very few people in my circle who don't at least have a Bachelor's, and many of them have advanced degrees. He's just horrible with a lot of the things he says, and then he goes and doubles down on all of his comments....hardly ever apologizes, and his team can't seem to reign him in, in terms of his temperament. Nobody can control him now, so I can't even imagine what it would be like when he is president.....no one would be able to tell him anything, and that is scary. Considering that just about all politicians are crooked, it's really no sweat off my back if Hillary got her hand caught in the cookie jar. If anyone thinks that any of these politicians, including Trump hasn't done something sneaky, or given preferential treatment, etc, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

[kodo]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

He said Arab Americans were cheering the 9/11 attacks...

TRUMP: “There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “As I said, the police have said it didn’t happen.”

[JohnnyKILLroy]

He's a total racist. Against everyone.

Stop and Frisk.
All African Americans live in Hell.
The Wall
Muslims

[johnnyvann840]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

Probably because since he has stereotypes or shows racism towards another ethnic group, it's likely that isn't the only group that he is prejudice against. I'm black, and I found it appalling what he said about Mexicans. It's just flat out racist. No one has to be the same race that he offended to still think he's racist. I figured he likely doesn't think much of black people either (as well as other ethnicities), and low and behold, he makes a broad statement about how our schools are horrible, we don't have jobs, etc, as if that's your typical black person. I went to great schools, have multiple degrees, my parents were middle class, and we lived in a decent neighborhood.....same goes for a lot of my other black friends. There are only very very few people in my circle who don't at least have a Bachelor's, and many of them have advanced degrees. He's just horrible with a lot of the things he says, and then he goes and doubles down on all of his comments....hardly ever apologizes, and his team can't seem to reign him in, in terms of his temperament. Nobody can control him now, so I can't even imagine what it would be like when he is president.....no one would be able to tell him anything, and that is scary. Considering that just about all politicians are crooked, it's really no sweat off my back if Hillary got her hand caught in the cookie jar. If anyone thinks that any of these politicians, including Trump hasn't done something sneaky, or given preferential treatment, etc, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Well said. Trump is a major A-hole... I think that is clear. It just really sucks that the only alternative is scary as hell in her own right. And no, it's not "false equivalence". They aren't equal in any way. They both suck, they're both crooks. One is just blatantly worse, and he's obnoxious and arrogant about it. Just so sad that this is the best we can do for the highest office on the planet. Really sad.

[TheSuzerain]

I honestly don't see what's scary about Clinton. She's a professional politician running for the highest office.

Is that a good thing? Not necessarily. But scary? I don't see it.

I can totally understand someone picking an alternative GOP politician. But that's not on the table this election.

[coldfish]

Let's look at the data up to 2016:



Interesting that most of the lines on the graph are now trending upward!

3 of 5. The others are flat or down. Is this the hill you wish to fight on? A few European countries (none of whom have been bombed by the US- most of whose inhabitants are not brown) have a higher opinion of Obama than his abysmal predecessor? Woo hoo- break out the kegs. Let's go ahead and white wash the rest of the horrible things his Administration has done.

To be coldly honest, the opinion's of Western Europe are far, far more important to the United States than the opinions of anyone in the Middle East. This isn't about morality or being the good guy. It's about our position as the hegemon of the Western world.

In general, people in both parties need to wake up to the reality of today's international politics. Every country acts in its own best interest. Our "allies" just frequently have the same interests. What countries actually do though has virtually nothing to do with how much they like us.

The case in point is Libya. Obama is on record as saying how he was disappointed in how our "allies" basically dropped the ball and did not assist with any follow through after the bombing campaign. It really doesn't matter how much countries like Italy, France and Germany like the US if they don't have the will or ability to project power.

The US has two ways to get countries to see things like we do:
- Our military
- Economic sanctions or carrots
Parking a few carrier groups off some countries coast has an odd way of making US diplomacy in a country's best interest.

International politics is not a popularity contest. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

[TheSuzerain]

3 of 5. The others are flat or down. Is this the hill you wish to fight on? A few European countries (none of whom have been bombed by the US- most of whose inhabitants are not brown) have a higher opinion of Obama than his abysmal predecessor? Woo hoo- break out the kegs. Let's go ahead and white wash the rest of the horrible things his Administration has done.

To be coldly honest, the opinion's of Western Europe are far, far more important to the United States than the opinions of anyone in the Middle East. This isn't about morality or being the good guy. It's about our position as the hegemon of the Western world.

In general, people in both parties need to wake up to the reality of today's international politics. Every country acts in its own best interest. Our "allies" just frequently have the same interests. What countries actually do though has virtually nothing to do with how much they like us.

The case in point is Libya. Obama is on record as saying how he was disappointed in how our "allies" basically dropped the ball and did not assist with any follow through after the bombing campaign. It really doesn't matter how much countries like Italy, France and Germany like the US if they don't have the will or ability to project power.

The US has two ways to get countries to see things like we do:
- Our military
- Economic sanctions or carrots
Parking a few carrier groups off some countries coast has an odd way of making US diplomacy in a country's best interest.

International politics is not a popularity contest. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

The Middle East is a rather small part of International Politics. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

I don't give a **** about the Libyan bombing campaign. There are much more important trends/movements than the War on Terror.

[DuckIII]

He's a total racist. Against everyone.

Stop and Frisk.
All African Americans live in Hell.
The Wall
Muslims

No Birther is not a racist. And he is King of the birthers.

[League Circles]

The Middle East is a rather small part of International Politics. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

I don't give a **** about the Libyan bombing campaign. There are much more important trends/movements than the War on Terror.

The middle east is an enormous part of international politics. Has and will be for a long, long time for several reasons (conflicts, oil, lack of arable land, religion). While population is only like 3-5% of world population, many people (incorrectly) are including Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc when discussing "the middle east", which makes the population much much larger.

All bombing campaigns by one's country should be given a **** about. It's war. It's important. Other than maybe the environment and food supply, it's hard to think of a more important issue than war.

[League Circles]

I hate Trump and think he's a total ****.

He's also very well might be a big time racist.

He also might not be.

IMO, and this is honest, he hasn't necessarily said anything racist in this campaign.

Remember, racism is believing that one particular race is superior to another. Has he said this?

I know it's super fun to write him off.

But guess what, a lot of people support him, and whether he wins or loses, those types of people need to be dealt with like any other American. And if they staunchly believe he's NOT a racist (which he MIGHT not be IMO), then throwing that term around casually without evidence is likely to cause more division when what we need is cooperation.

[coldfish]

The Middle East is a rather small part of International Politics. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

I don't give a **** about the Libyan bombing campaign. There are much more important trends/movements than the War on Terror.

Oh, most definitely. I gave the Libyan example just because Obama publicly commented on how little the US' allies did on that.

Outside of world wars, economics is the biggest aspect of global politics. The US has tried to work with everyone from China to the EU and they have bent us over for the most part. Trump isn't right on much but he is right on how much we have screwed ourselves economically by being naive in this regard.

[League Circles]

Trump isn't right on much but he is right on how much we have screwed ourselves economically by being naive in this regard.

Agreed. That's the one thing IMO that, policy wise, would give Trump a chance of being better than Hilary (if he also skips lots of his terrible policy stuff) for our country if elected. Not that it's enough of a reason to vote for him.

[TheSuzerain]

The Middle East is a rather small part of International Politics. The sooner people realize that, the better off americans will be.

I don't give a **** about the Libyan bombing campaign. There are much more important trends/movements than the War on Terror.

Oh, most definitely. I gave the Libyan example just because Obama publicly commented on how little the US' allies did on that.

Outside of world wars, economics is the biggest aspect of global politics. The US has tried to work with everyone from China to the EU and they have bent us over for the most part. Trump isn't right on much but he is right on how much we have screwed ourselves economically by being naive in this regard.

I just disagree with that. We aren't getting bent over.

Globalization and free trade certainly benefits us in a lot of ways. There is a portion of the population for whom it is harming, but I would debate as to the significance/magnitude of that harm. I also do not think this is a particularly large portion of the population. However, we've seen a populist streak return to politics lately, and your viewpoint has certainly entered the mainstream.

[League Circles]

Globalization and free trade certainly benefits us in a lot of ways. There is a portion of the population for whom it is harming, but I would debate as to the significance/magnitude of that harm. I also do not think this is a particularly large portion of the population. However, we've seen a populist streak return to politics lately, and your viewpoint has certainly entered the mainstream.

Do we have free trade though?

Serious question, I'm rather ignorant on other countries policies with regards to trade with us. Especially countries like China.

[johnnyvann840]

Globalization and free trade certainly benefits us in a lot of ways. There is a portion of the population for whom it is harming, but I would debate as to the significance/magnitude of that harm. I also do not think this is a particularly large portion of the population. However, we've seen a populist streak return to politics lately, and your viewpoint has certainly entered the mainstream.

Do we have free trade though?

Serious question, I'm rather ignorant on other countries policies with regards to trade with us. Especially countries like China.

No. Absolutely not. We are 100% "getting bent over" in every international trade agreement currently in place. It makes exporting anything costly and difficult while giving other countries free entry into our markets. The tariffs in place reward importers and penalize American exporters.

Sure it's great that we can go to Walmart and Target and Ikea and buy all kinds of crap for our houses with cheap low quality garbage from China. We have access to all this cheap junk... what could be better?

[r1terrell23]

Not just his blatant misogyny, but the guy is a blatant racist! How can anyone that is, or knows any one who is a minority vote for Trump? It just shocks me on a daily basis that a guy who is openly, over and over, making racist comments - disparaging anyone in sight - and people just say "Yeah well Hillary lies."

I've never been more fearful for the state of the world than the thought of Trump sitting at that desk. If the choices are a shady liar, a white supremacist, and an utter buffoon, I am voting for the political spinster every time. Trump in the Oval Office would be the most hated leader in the world by everyone except Russia. Come on.

As a minority ... I don't see Trump as racist at all. If he's racist...then I'm racist. He puts America first. I'm still trying to figure out why so many black people hate him. Mexicans I can understand bc of the whole border situation.

You're joking right?

He single handedly tried to sabotage Obama even years after seeing his birth certificate.
He didn't rent to blacks and his Trump tower in Chicago is questionable in that regard too.
Thinks stop and frisk is a great non racist/non profiling way to keep Black people under control
Didn't outline plans to help Blacks but just said "what the hell you have to lose"
His biggest supporters are some of the most racist people in the country

He may not be a complete hardcore racist to Black people but he is one in general

[burlydee]

Globalization and free trade certainly benefits us in a lot of ways. There is a portion of the population for whom it is harming, but I would debate as to the significance/magnitude of that harm. I also do not think this is a particularly large portion of the population. However, we've seen a populist streak return to politics lately, and your viewpoint has certainly entered the mainstream.

Do we have free trade though?

Serious question, I'm rather ignorant on other countries policies with regards to trade with us. Especially countries like China.

No. Absolutely not. We are 100% "getting bent over" in every international trade agreement currently in place. It makes exporting anything costly and difficult while giving other countries free entry into our markets. The tariffs in place reward importers and penalize American exporters.

Sure it's great that we can go to Walmart and Target and Ikea and buy all kinds of crap for our houses with cheap low quality garbage from China. We have access to all this cheap junk... what could be better?

The idea that the most powerful nation in the world, with some of the world's richest people, is getting routinely beat at the negotiating table by the likes of Mexico and South Korea is laughable on its face. You may not like the results, but don't labor under the false assumption that the deals are not designed to benefit American interest. They just don't cater to YOUR interests. The interests of American capitol and American labor have been at odds for 50 years. Its sad to me that people believe a child of American capitol (Trump) is going to be the savior of American labor. Trump is running the ultimate con, the people he most rips off, are the people who cheer for him the loudest.

[johnnyvann840]

The idea that the most powerful nation in the world, with some of the world's richest people, is getting routinely beat at the negotiating table by the likes of Mexico and South Korea is laughable on its face. You may not like the results, but don't labor under the false assumption that the deals are not designed to benefit American interest. They just don't cater to YOUR interests. The interests of American capitol and American labor have been at odds for 50 years. Its sad to me that people believe a child of American capitol (Trump) is going to be the savior of American labor. Trump is running the ultimate con, the people he most rips off, are the people who cheer for him the loudest.

No, this is laughable.. what is debatable is whether the trade off is worth it. Since the South Korean Agreement of 2010 we have an 80% deficit. The TPP, the same thing will happen if it goes as is. Look at NAFTA.

And for the record, as Coldfish already said, this is about the only thing Trump is right on. Yes, the most powerful nation in the World has been getting routinely beat at the negotiating table by other countries. Look at the deal we just handed Iran. FFS. You can sit there and say... "I live in the most powerful country in the World and we are in great hands with our politicians and statesmen". If they made the deal... it must be a good one for us" ... Or you can question their ability and say "we got F'd and we could do much better". The reality is that the latter would be the much more objective and truthful statement.