**Fantasy: Premier League thread

[TASTIC]

Dellavedova - I just don't see it. He's played a decent amount of minutes before and is clearly better in reality than fantasy and it's not like other 'sleepers' where he's come out of nowhere. He's been on the biggest stage for two years now and teams know he's not quick enough to get past you and he shoots higher from 3 than he does the field. He might end up doing 9-10pts 2-3reb 4-5ast and a couple of 3s, maybe a steal too - which is fine for where he was drafted. But the FG% will hover around 40% as well which will hurt and Giannis will be playing point, Delly will just be defending them.

IDK, i pretty much agree spot on with this assessment that i read about him:

The book on Dellavedova has already been written: He is an ace shooter and pesky defender, but doesn't have much in the way of actual skills beyond that. But is that a fair perception? Dellavedova, for his part, tried his hardest to change that perception this summer, as he emerged as one of the better players on one of the best international teams around while playing for Australia in the Olympics. He led the tournament in assists, with 56, and turned the ball over just 11 times in seven games, a continuation of his tremendous efficiency as a playmaker last season. Dellavedova actually took a nice step forward last season overall, upping his per-36 averages to 11.0 points and 6.5 assists. Now, he would be miscast as the primary creator on an NBA team, but with LeBron drawing defensive attention, he was fine as the secondary option. He should serve a similar role for the Bucks this season, but could get close to 30 MPG on a team that desperately needs his skill set, which could push him firmly into Fantasy relevance.

I think he will be the 2nd playmaker on the team and his skillset and defensive skills are exactly what the Bucks need, and the reason that he will be getting 30+ minutes a game, and the Reason that Kidd is starting him over MCW. Sure he played on "The Biggest Stage", butwe are talking about a stage that was chocked full of veterans and ego's......and veterans WITH ego's. I expect him to have a better season on a team loaded with young talent and no real vocal team leader (Yes Giannis is the leader, but he really isnt the type of leader that is real vocal while commanding a team) rather than as a 8th man on LeBrons team, having to deal with the personalities of guys like Irving/Smith/Shumpert/Love/Thompson. Grabbing a player in the 11th round that can get you 4-5 assists a game, a steal or two, and a couple of 3's is a total win, and would have been a top notch choice if i were to get him with my last pick like i was expecting. The only issue is that i didnt really think he was on anyones radar.

We'll agree to disagree on him

The 'ace shooter' part - the dude is a career 39.5% shooter from the floor...

And I do agree with everything you said about being a vocal leader that they need, second play-maker etc too. But when MCW comes on he'll likely run point with Delly playing off-ball once again, because they need that 3pt shooter option.

If you'd nabbed him last round that's better value for sure, 156 is a potential steal - I guess 132 isn't so bad. Didn't even notice we were that deep in!

[Stix]

The 'ace shooter' part - the dude is a career 39.5% shooter from the floor...

Ditto. Ace-shooter? tha fuq?

[sunskerr]

I'll take Tristan Thompson. I'm pleased he was still here since he has a chance to average 10/10/1.

[Stix]

I'll take Andrew Bogut. I'm pleased he was still here since he has a chance to average 10/10/2.


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[Kerrsed]

I'll take Andrew Bogut. I'm pleased he was still here since he has a chance to average 10/10/2.


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[sunskerr]

I know Tristan Thompson isn't that great but aside from Dirk, Dallas is where fantasy players go to die which is why I avoided Bogut.

[KopLegend]

MKG

[bwgood77]

Are we likely stuck now? I think the next two are in europe.

[Kerrsed]

I know Tristan Thompson isn't that great but aside from Dirk, Dallas is where fantasy players go to die which is why I avoided Bogut.

Both guys are in somewhat similar situations. The big difference i see comes down to age. Love playing PF is kind of a young Dirk. He plays the perimeter due to his 3 point shot, but also crashes the board for rebounds. The issue i see is that Bogut is a force in the paint, and the older Dirk gets, the less time he spends in the paint going after rebounds and blocks. Honestly, he really doesnt need to exude the extra energy to do so because of Boguts presence. This differs in CLE with TT. Love is still young and can afford to venture in the paint and get himself those rebounds. Thats one of the reasons i feel Bogut will average more rebounds than TT this season. Bogut is the 2016 version of the 2014 version of Tyson Chandler. He is strictly there for rebounds and blocks. He will get the ball dumped into him occasionally, and with his high BBALL IQ, he will either finish with a high FG% shot, or if he is covered, kick it out to an open player, helping his assist total. Thompson lacks that BBALL IQ and court vision. You also have to add in the Kardashian effect on his on court play as well.

In my book, this season Bogut>>Thompson. Just my opinion.

[Stix]

My concerns with Bogut are his age/health, but since I am using him as a utility player when I need some big man stats I think it's fine. I do like Thompson too though... dude hasn't missed a game in like 3 years which is great for ROTO. I did put Bogut higher up because, like Kerrsed mentioned, he is a great passer too.

[Kerrsed]

My concerns with Bogut are his age/health, but since I am using him as a utility player when I need some big man stats I think it's fine. I do like Thompson too though... dude hasn't missed a game in like 3 years which is great for ROTO. I did put Bogut higher up because, like Kerrsed mentioned, he is a great passer too.

Im biased as i had Bogut last season.

[Stix]

I know Tristan Thompson isn't that great but aside from Dirk, Dallas is where fantasy players go to die which is why I avoided Bogut.

I don't know about that, I think Dallas will be pretty good this year. They want to give it one more go while they still have Dirk and have put together a pretty solid team around him to do that this year. I think it's definitely a playoff team and theres a lot of savvy vets on there that they might surprise some people. I also think Bogut will benefit from playing at a slower pace now that he is not running in the Dubs system. Glad you picked TT because I was actually torn on the both of them.

[sunskerr]

I agree, Bogut's passing is a big part of how he's maintained rosterable value even while he was on the Dubs. That's actually a pretty good comparison to Tyson's last season in Dallas. However, I think TT is in a better scenario for grabbing rebounds precisely because Love/Kyrie are on the outside and he's younger than Bogut so he'll probably get more minutes.

I suspect I'll only be playing TT in cases where the twins are injured so his FT% impact is mitigated. That's really what it comes down to it seems - most likely these are going to be guys we play in spot scenarios.

Speaking of percentages, how did you guys factor FG% and FT% into your drafts and how well do you think you performed in those areas? I think last year I had one of the top FT%s but was near dead last in FG%. A lot of the time it can be too hard to meet your targets in Points/Rebs/Blocks but if you have a high FT% and FG% presumably you aren't going to be struggling too hard in those cats because FT% should translate to some extra points, and high FG% is associated with bigs (rebs/blks).

Personally, I feel like I have less FG% sinkers than last year, with Mudiay/Oladipo/Batum being outnumbered by neutral or net positive FG% guys. FT% shouldn't be a problem.

[Stix]

Speaking of percentages, how did you guys factor FG% and FT% into your drafts and how well do you think you performed in those areas? I think last year I had one of the top FT%s but was near dead last in FG%. A lot of the time it can be too hard to meet your targets in Points/Rebs/Blocks but if you have a high FT% and FG% presumably you aren't going to be struggling too hard in those cats because FT% should translate to some extra points, and high FG% is associated with bigs (rebs/blks).

Personally, I feel like I have less FG% sinkers than last year, with Mudiay/Oladipo/Batum being outnumbered by neutral or net positive FG% guys. FT% shouldn't be a problem.

I didn't want to say anything because I was pretty vocal on your Adams pick but I thought Mudiay was just as bad of a pick. I didn't understand because you take all these high FG% guys and then pick one of the few guys that can negate that. I picked up Mudiay last year off the wire for some STL/AST but he and Danny Green had a field day sinking my FG% for half the year until I wised up and dropped/benched them. I thought you had that category on lock before that, with the Lopezez and Monroe. Instead I thought you should've went with a guy like Gary Harris who shoots at like 46% and would give you some great complimentary stats to boot.

FG% was something my team was lacking before I picked up Kanter, who should shoot at a high enough clip to bring up my FG% to be reasonably decent. Then I will probably play Bogut in the UTL spot as much as I can to bring it up just a bit more and provide the stats that Kanter lacks and chip in some assists. I picked up Derozan to be my FT% anchor so I think I am okay there, I don't have any guys that will sink that category.

EDIT: Just realized you ended up having Harris fall to you much later on in the draft so I guess it worked out well for you. I still didn't understand the pick though, you would have been better off with Adams after all.

[Kerrsed]

[Kyler Murray]

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[sunskerr]

I didn't want to say anything because I was pretty vocal on your Adams pick but I thought Mudiay was just as bad of a pick. I didn't understand because you take all these high FG% guys and then pick one of the few guys that can negate that. I picked up Mudiay last year off the wire for some STL/AST but he and Danny Green had a field day sinking my FG% for half the year until I wised up and dropped/benched them. I thought you had that category on lock before that, with the Lopezez and Monroe. Instead I thought you should've went with a guy like Gary Harris who shoots at like 46% and would give you some great complimentary stats to boot.

FG% was something my team was lacking before I picked up Kanter, who should shoot at a high enough clip to bring up my FG% to be reasonably decent. Then I will probably play Bogut in the UTL spot as much as I can to bring it up just a bit more and provide the stats that Kanter lacks and chip in some assists. I picked up Derozan to be my FT% anchor so I think I am okay there, I don't have any guys that will sink that category.

EDIT: Just realized you ended up having Harris fall to you much later on in the draft so I guess it worked out well for you. I still didn't understand the pick though, you would have been better off with Adams after all.

On Mudiay: Mudiay certainly does have a higher boom/bust potential but since this is draft time, the value of players is different from what it was last year and will be this year. In that regard, if you look at the names drafted in the late 8th/9th round, he's not far off from the rest of those guys. Like you said though, I do have Gary Harris/Tristan Thompson and it's pretty likely at least one of them will be more serviceable than a Mudiay who busts. And yes Gary Harris being available at my pick feels like a complete fluke but he does have potential competition issues -not from Murray/Beasley but Gallinari/Wilson Chandler.

I'm not sure you even need DeRozan to be your anchor since you don't appear to have any big negative impact FT shooters on your team - his FT% impact will surely boost your team rather than just act as a counterweight which is a big plus. Kerrsed would definitely have loved to have DeRozan. What is your outlook on Kanter in terms of points/rebs? Is he penciled in to start? If I hadn't drafted Monroe, whom would you have selected between the two?

On Kerrsed's team: I really think he's headed for FT% disaster. He's insisted upon the new hack-a-shaq ruling that should limit his players impact but I was feeling like that would only work if you had 1 FT% sink. But he has 2 (the two worst in the league) as well as Rondo. TIme will tell but honestly I'm not betting on that working out. Maybe if he had taken Harden #1 overall. But in fairness, completing the rest of the draft with the #1 pick was always going to be extremely tough.

[Kerrsed]

I didn't want to say anything because I was pretty vocal on your Adams pick but I thought Mudiay was just as bad of a pick. I didn't understand because you take all these high FG% guys and then pick one of the few guys that can negate that. I picked up Mudiay last year off the wire for some STL/AST but he and Danny Green had a field day sinking my FG% for half the year until I wised up and dropped/benched them. I thought you had that category on lock before that, with the Lopezez and Monroe. Instead I thought you should've went with a guy like Gary Harris who shoots at like 46% and would give you some great complimentary stats to boot.

FG% was something my team was lacking before I picked up Kanter, who should shoot at a high enough clip to bring up my FG% to be reasonably decent. Then I will probably play Bogut in the UTL spot as much as I can to bring it up just a bit more and provide the stats that Kanter lacks and chip in some assists. I picked up Derozan to be my FT% anchor so I think I am okay there, I don't have any guys that will sink that category.

EDIT: Just realized you ended up having Harris fall to you much later on in the draft so I guess it worked out well for you. I still didn't understand the pick though, you would have been better off with Adams after all.

On Mudiay: Mudiay certainly does have a higher boom/bust potential but since this is draft time, the value of players is different from what it was last year and will be this year. In that regard, if you look at the names drafted in the late 8th/9th round, he's not far off from the rest of those guys. Like you said though, I do have Gary Harris/Tristan Thompson and it's pretty likely at least one of them will be more serviceable than a Mudiay who busts. And yes Gary Harris being available at my pick feels like a complete fluke but he does have potential competition issues -not from Murray/Beasley but Gallinari/Wilson Chandler.

I'm not sure you even need DeRozan to be your anchor since you don't appear to have any big negative impact FT shooters on your team - his FT% impact will surely boost your team rather than just act as a counterweight which is a big plus. Kerrsed would definitely have loved to have DeRozan. What is your outlook on Kanter in terms of points/rebs? Is he penciled in to start? If I hadn't drafted Monroe, whom would you have selected between the two?

On Kerrsed's team: I really think he's headed for FT% disaster. He's insisted upon the new hack-a-shaq ruling that should limit his players impact but I was feeling like that would only work if you had 1 FT% sink. But he has 2 (the two worst in the league) as well as Rondo. TIme will tell but honestly I'm not betting on that working out. Maybe if he had taken Harden #1 overall. But in fairness, completing the rest of the draft with the #1 pick was always going to be extremely tough.

[Stix]

I'm not sure you even need DeRozan to be your anchor since you don't appear to have any big negative impact FT shooters on your team - his FT% impact will surely boost your team rather than just act as a counterweight which is a big plus. Kerrsed would definitely have loved to have DeRozan. What is your outlook on Kanter in terms of points/rebs? Is he penciled in to start? If I hadn't drafted Monroe, whom would you have selected between the two?

Derozan is a nice convenience to have for FT%, it's not fun trying to find guys to fix that category while staying competitive in other cats. It's a headache I had last year and the only weakness of the cornerstone of my team (Giannis).

Kanter I think has the opportunity to have a career year, especially in that system and with Ibaka in Orlando. He and Adams should have field days grabbing o-boards off of Westbrook/Oladipo misses which usually leads to a bucket or a foul. He's definitely starting, and I think he will avg above 15ppg, like 9 boards, and hopefully will inherit some blocks from Ibaka's absence. He shot 57% FG last year so I am counting on him to boost that category for me.

If I had Monroe or Kanter as the option I would've taken Kanter still. He will have more mins/opportunity right from the get go. I do think Monroe is a lock to be traded, but not really sure where and he could wind up in the same situation if he lands somewhere like SAS. I think he ends up somewhere like Portland though, which could turn into a timeshare too, but more opportunity there for him. If he does find the right situation, I like Monroe a lot but he doesn't get many swats either. Kanter for sure.

[MrMiyagi]

I love how y'all are justifying your picks. I guess this is why you're the Premier League.