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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1681 » by Schad » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:43 am

Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1682 » by dagger » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:43 am

Boogie! wrote:STROMAN pitched a great game... good to see, im happy for him... that one home run was the only blip really... but looks like gibbons made the right choice. also bullpen was great.

the only mistake i think they made (and i didnt actually watch this part live, i just saw the gametracker on my phone) was bottom of 9, first and second, 0 out, bautista at the plate and they choose NOT to bunt...


You let Jose hit, but his approach was poor. Then again, no one grounds into more DPs than Martin. He must be among the league leaders again in GIDP in the AL.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1683 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:44 am

Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.


Showalter is an egoistic POS and it came back to bite him in the ass.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1684 » by Rapcity_11 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:44 am

Boogie! wrote:STROMAN pitched a great game... good to see, im happy for him... that one home run was the only blip really... but looks like gibbons made the right choice. also bullpen was great.

the only mistake i think they made (and i didnt actually watch this part live, i just saw the gametracker on my phone) was bottom of 9, first and second, 0 out, bautista at the plate and they choose NOT to bunt... he ends up striking out and then a batter later martin grounds into the double play... can someone explain to me why they didnt bunt those runners over? did he try and fail? or did they literally opt to just swing away... because that couldve been the biggest mistake of the game had they lost... no idea why they didnt try to advance donaldson to third and then try to cash in with the sac fly...


What makes you think Jose knows how to bunt???
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1685 » by Scott Hall » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:46 am

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Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.


Showalter is an egoistic POS and it came back to bite him in the ass.


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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1686 » by ZanTabernak » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:48 am

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"Ef you. All of it. I hate everything. This was the most insane piece of crap thing I've ever spent my life doing, watching this abysmal frustrating piece of garbage team blow the game like this. I can't believe our bad luck. We are freaking snake bitten. If it's not one thing it's another. They bring in a starter and he shuts us down. We bring in Ubaldo, the guy everyone wanted to start this game, and he loses it before recording a single god damn mother effing useless effing out. To hell with all of it. What a effing disgusting travesty. To those effing scum bags. They don't deserve it. Bunch of freaking losers. "

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Read this thread from the time the Orioles went up 2-1 until Eddie hit that HR. It was pretty much the same.
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Post#1687 » by Hoopstarr » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:48 am

Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.


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Plus that was Britton's only 2 IP appearance of the season. If ever there was a time to use that strategy again this was it.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1688 » by dagger » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:50 am

Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.


Indeed, and there is also this. Jimenez pitches to Edwin, rather than walking him intentionally. Jose is next and he's 3-38 against Ubaldo. Since only the runner on third matters, there would have been no harm in walking Edwin
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1689 » by C Court » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:53 am

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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1690 » by Latrell » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:53 am

Amidst all the drama let's not forget how **** outstanding our defense was today. Especially Tulowitzki.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1691 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:54 am

Latrell wrote:Amidst all the drama let's not forget how **** outstanding our defense was today. Especially Tulowitzki.


Pillar saved the game as well with that catch (would have been 3-1 O's otherwise).
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Post#1692 » by vaff87 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:54 am

Schad wrote:So, I looked up Ubaldo's stats in first innings this season: opponents hit .352/.449/.546 against him, with an ERA of 7.77. Yep, that's the guy I want coming out of the bullpen when a single run will end the season.


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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1694 » by Schad » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:55 am

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Schad wrote:Okay, now it gets even more inexplicable. I had forgotten about it, but a couple months ago, we faced the Orioles in Toronto. It was tied 2-2 going to the bottom of the 9th. Buck Showalter brought in...Zach Britton, for two innings. He held us scoreless, and the Orioles won in extras.

Now, in a single-game elimination, with literally the same scoreline and situation, he opts to leave Britton unused, and they lose.


Indeed, and there is also this. Jimenez pitches to Edwin, rather than walking him intentionally. Jose is next and he's 3-38 against Ubaldo. Since only the runner on third matters, there would have been no harm in walking Edwin


I actually disagree. It would load the bases, opening up a decent chance that Ubaldo and his wildness would walk in the winning run. Which would be less of an issue if Ubaldo **** Jimenez wasn't out there.
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1695 » by Boogie! » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:56 am

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Boogie! wrote:STROMAN pitched a great game... good to see, im happy for him... that one home run was the only blip really... but looks like gibbons made the right choice. also bullpen was great.

the only mistake i think they made (and i didnt actually watch this part live, i just saw the gametracker on my phone) was bottom of 9, first and second, 0 out, bautista at the plate and they choose NOT to bunt... he ends up striking out and then a batter later martin grounds into the double play... can someone explain to me why they didnt bunt those runners over? did he try and fail? or did they literally opt to just swing away... because that couldve been the biggest mistake of the game had they lost... no idea why they didnt try to advance donaldson to third and then try to cash in with the sac fly...


What makes you think Jose knows how to bunt???


you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1697 » by Rapcity_11 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:01 am

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Boogie! wrote:STROMAN pitched a great game... good to see, im happy for him... that one home run was the only blip really... but looks like gibbons made the right choice. also bullpen was great.

the only mistake i think they made (and i didnt actually watch this part live, i just saw the gametracker on my phone) was bottom of 9, first and second, 0 out, bautista at the plate and they choose NOT to bunt... he ends up striking out and then a batter later martin grounds into the double play... can someone explain to me why they didnt bunt those runners over? did he try and fail? or did they literally opt to just swing away... because that couldve been the biggest mistake of the game had they lost... no idea why they didnt try to advance donaldson to third and then try to cash in with the sac fly...


What makes you think Jose knows how to bunt???


you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...


What makes you think Jose can even get down a bunt???
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1698 » by Agimat » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:02 am

If it weren't for that fiasco against the Rangers early in the season. The emotional intangibles would be sided on them but that wasn't that case after that incident. Blue Jays will be playing as the angry birds next round. #Revenge
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Re: Wild Card Game: Baltimore (Tillman) @ Toronto (Stroman) | Tuesday, October 4 | 8PM EST 

Post#1699 » by JaysRule25 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 5:05 am

Boogie! wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Boogie! wrote:STROMAN pitched a great game... good to see, im happy for him... that one home run was the only blip really... but looks like gibbons made the right choice. also bullpen was great.

the only mistake i think they made (and i didnt actually watch this part live, i just saw the gametracker on my phone) was bottom of 9, first and second, 0 out, bautista at the plate and they choose NOT to bunt... he ends up striking out and then a batter later martin grounds into the double play... can someone explain to me why they didnt bunt those runners over? did he try and fail? or did they literally opt to just swing away... because that couldve been the biggest mistake of the game had they lost... no idea why they didnt try to advance donaldson to third and then try to cash in with the sac fly...


What makes you think Jose knows how to bunt???


you dont have to lay down a perfect bunt to get the runner to third in this situation... the point is you need 1 run to win... it doesnt matter who it is... you lay down the bunt and advance that runner... why let him swing away and take a chance at striking out or grounding into a double play and wasting outs... that has to be a bunt no matter what and i have no idea why they **** that up... that play couldve come back to bite them in the ass... even if martin hits that ground ball next at bat, theres a chance that run scores from 3rd... that shouldve been a bunt. im not overly critical of managerial decisions in general, especially because i think baseball is one of those games thats largely based on players performing... but the fact that they ddint call for a bunt in that situation perplexes me... sometimes you gotta play small...


You gotta remember that we had a less than healthy JD on second and EE (the slowest runner on the team on first). What if Bautista (a guy not used to bunting at all) messes the bunt up? He could easily bunt to the pitcher or close to the catcher and JD could be forced out at third. Worst case scenario could also be a double play at second and first. Having a team full of sluggers like we do really limits the stuff you can do when it comes to playing small ball.
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