PG Thread: Only Reason To Watch This Year Is KP6

[Knickerbock]

In all seriousness.. You can't really judge the team by one preseason beat down.. but if they lose to the nets... All you trolls have my permission to go H.A.M

[GONYK]

you going to compare the teams that MJ Kobe played vs Melo teams. Im sorry, Kobe and MJ had MUCH better players to pass to than he had on Denver and on the Knicks up until KP came. Like i said, most of his so called Black hole is from not trusting his teammates to do the job. its why when Melo plays in the olympics you see a different version of him, he trusts who he is passing to. If MJ and Kobe had the teams he had, you would not even see the so called better assist numbers. You can easily get six assists a game when there is people you can depend on NIGHTLY. Why do you think a player like Draymond can rack up so many dimes...looks who he gives the rock to. There is a REASON why MJ PASSED up the last shot to give it to kerr to win a FINALS. He trusted his ability...you think if Kerr was a scrub he would have passed to him? Hell no Same goes with Kobe.He has ALWAYS have had veery good players to pass to in his best years. A.I. was a chuck master cause his teams were trash outside of him, to depend on buckets for the majority of his career.

It's probably not a fair comparison since all those guys are better than Melo, but they all played with trash teammates as well. When MJ was scoring 37 with absolute trash teammates, he was still passing more than Melo. When Kobe was getting 35 a game with Smush fcking Parker, he was passing more than Melo. When Iverson's second option was Eric Snow, he was still passing more than Melo.

They're also all guards. I'd hope they'd f*cking pass more than Melo.

That said, Melo has had a tendency to have the ball stick. He's been much better about it. I don't count iso's where the play is clearly INTENDED to iso Melo, just like EVERY team does with it's top scorer who isn't a guard, pretty much. And then even great guards get iso's. That said, there are usually a couple of possessions per game where I wish Melo gave it up, instead of held it and shot it. Oh well.

Agreed, Melo is a forward, not a G. The comparison is not quite apples to apples.

Also, assists aren't a raw indicator of how much you pass.

Carmelo averaged 43 passes a game last year.

That puts him ahead of players like:

Paul George
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danilo Gallinari

[thebuzzardman]

KP isos no one says a thing, Melo isos we riot.

Compare their frequency. One does it a couple times. The other does it 10x that amount.

HELL YEAH!

KP >>>>>>>>>>>>>Melo

[thebuzzardman]

It's probably not a fair comparison since all those guys are better than Melo, but they all played with trash teammates as well. When MJ was scoring 37 with absolute trash teammates, he was still passing more than Melo. When Kobe was getting 35 a game with Smush fcking Parker, he was passing more than Melo. When Iverson's second option was Eric Snow, he was still passing more than Melo.

They're also all guards. I'd hope they'd f*cking pass more than Melo.

That said, Melo has had a tendency to have the ball stick. He's been much better about it. I don't count iso's where the play is clearly INTENDED to iso Melo, just like EVERY team does with it's top scorer who isn't a guard, pretty much. And then even great guards get iso's. That said, there are usually a couple of possessions per game where I wish Melo gave it up, instead of held it and shot it. Oh well.

Agreed, Melo is a forward, not a G. The comparison is not quite apples to apples.

Also, assists aren't a raw indicator of how much you pass.

Carmelo averaged 43 passes a game last year.

That puts him ahead of players like:

Paul George
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danilo Gallinari

Wilson Chandler >>>> Gallinari


Just sticking to my theme.

[CJackson]

They're also all guards. I'd hope they'd f*cking pass more than Melo.

That said, Melo has had a tendency to have the ball stick. He's been much better about it. I don't count iso's where the play is clearly INTENDED to iso Melo, just like EVERY team does with it's top scorer who isn't a guard, pretty much. And then even great guards get iso's. That said, there are usually a couple of possessions per game where I wish Melo gave it up, instead of held it and shot it. Oh well.

Agreed, Melo is a forward, not a G. The comparison is not quite apples to apples.

Also, assists aren't a raw indicator of how much you pass.

Carmelo averaged 43 passes a game last year.

That puts him ahead of players like:

Paul George
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danilo Gallinari

Wilson Chandler >>>> Gallinari


Just sticking to my theme.

a sharp poke in the eye >>>>>> sexy time with thebuzzardman

have I gone too far this time?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

KP isos no one says a thing, Melo isos we riot.

I don't really have a problem with Melo going iso, but it was a little annoying seeing him look like he was determined to take a shot on a few possessions no matter what. There were times when he could have given the ball up or swung it to someone else. KP seems to iso when the shot clock is winding down and he has to get a shot off while Melo seems to iso and force a shot sometimes just cause. Plus KP was feeling it last night, Melo wasn't. It's just the 1st preseason game tho so I'm not trippin.

[NewEra]

Everybody worried about Melo Iso when the shots don't fall, but if they did...#calmdown

[NewEra]

I wanna see more from the unproven guys such as Holiday, Kuz, Randle, and Willy. We know what the vets are gonna bring. I'm still wondering though why Sasha is on this team lol. He's worse that LT

[NYKinMIA]

I'd forgotten how much some of you love to type.

[Rotten Apple]

KP isos no one says a thing, Melo isos we riot.

I don't really have a problem with Melo going iso, but it was a little annoying seeing him look like he was determined to take a shot on a few possessions no matter what. There were times when he could have given the ball up or swung it to someone else. KP seems to iso when the shot clock is winding down and he has to get a shot off while Melo seems to iso and force a shot sometimes just cause. Plus KP was feeling it last night, Melo wasn't. It's just the 1st preseason game tho so I'm not trippin.

This was in the first half, no one was feeling it and they both isolated around 13 seconds I watched the game twice.

Point is it's either a problem or it's not but we can't have one way and not the other.

[Rotten Apple]

KP isos no one says a thing, Melo isos we riot.

Compare their frequency. One does it a couple times. The other does it 10x that amount.

Melo isolated within the offense, the elbow is where it happens. KP did the same.

Point is KP can do no wrong like leave Ryan Anderson open all game and we find a million excuses.

[ibraheim718]

I'd like to add that this appears to be the beginning of KP vs Melo and whose team it is.

It wouldn't be RealGM Knicks without "______" VS "______"

That debate isn't going to last long. Plus they're at opposite ends of the spectrum career wise. But come on.. KP wins 9 times out of 10. Ain't nobody going to ride out his last few years with Melo.

[ibraheim718]

KP isos no one says a thing, Melo isos we riot.

Compare their frequency. One does it a couple times. The other does it 10x that amount.

Melo isolated within the offense, the elbow is where it happens. KP did the same.

Point is KP can do no wrong like leave Ryan Anderson open all game and we find a million excuses.

Go find out where in the shot clock those iso's came at. Way too early. His was isolating on his first touch.

[ibraheim718]

Everybody worried about Melo Iso when the shots don't fall, but if they did...#calmdown

They don't fall more than they do. It's an easily provable fact.

[ibraheim718]

In all seriousness.. You can't really judge the team by one preseason beat down.. but if they lose to the nets... All you trolls have my permission to go H.A.M

You actually can judge and critique the game that was played.. if you watched it.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Make no mistake about it, Melo will be the most critiqued Knick this season. Especially if Rose and KP do their part offensively.

The only way Melo avoids any heavy criticism is if he starts the season strong and is efficient from the floor. I have defended Melo ever since he arrived here, but I got my eye on him this year and will criticize the hell out of him if he starts taking ill-advised shots and isnt effective as he should be.

He's got real talent around him. Its put up or shut up time. Its only pre-season so idc how badly he shoots from the floor, but those 4-13 type of nights shouldnt happen often once the games count.

[CJackson]

I'd forgotten how much some of you love to type.

What a vityperous thing to say

[Rotten Apple]

Compare their frequency. One does it a couple times. The other does it 10x that amount.

Melo isolated within the offense, the elbow is where it happens. KP did the same.

Point is KP can do no wrong like leave Ryan Anderson open all game and we find a million excuses.

Go find out where in the shot clock those iso's came at. Way too early. His was isolating on his first touch.

I know how much time was on the clock that's why I said what I said.

[NYKinMIA]

I'd forgotten how much some of you love to type.

What a vityperous thing to say

Spellcheck homie.

[AmazingJason]

Make no mistake about it, Melo will be the most critiqued Knick this season. Especially if Rose and KP do their part offensively.

The only way Melo avoids any heavy criticism is if he starts the season strong and is efficient from the floor. I have defended Melo ever since he arrived here, but I got my eye on him this year and will criticize the hell out of him if he starts taking ill-advised shots and isnt effective as he should be.

He's got real talent around him. Its put up or shut up time. Its only pre-season so idc how badly he shoots from the floor, but those 4-13 type of nights shouldnt happen often once the games count.

He has the capability to do it. He's done it on the Olympic team and he did a better job of being a distributor in the 1st half of last season. Something that hurts him when he does the ISOs is that he never developed the ability to drive-and-kick or pass while in motion. Once he makes his move, the shot is going up no matter how many guys he has to get it over. His good passing usually comes out of a double-team while at a standstill or in the process of doing a post-up.

To me, the way he can help this team the most is as a spot-up shooter, and a catch-and-shoot guy...he is so deadly at it. And if the shot clock is running down, we can use him as a bail-out option.