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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#221 » by gmoney411 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 6:26 am

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ken6199 wrote:^^^ I am a big fan of this guy above, and that 3/6 HOU-POR 1st round matchup would also be very entertaining.

However if none of this happens I will come at you because of your jinx.


Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#222 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 5, 2016 7:13 am

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DusterBuster wrote:
ken6199 wrote:^^^ I am a big fan of this guy above, and that 3/6 HOU-POR 1st round matchup would also be very entertaining.

However if none of this happens I will come at you because of your jinx.


Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#223 » by bondom34 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 7:17 am

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gmoney411 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#224 » by ken6199 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 2:20 pm

gmoney411 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
ken6199 wrote:^^^ I am a big fan of this guy above, and that 3/6 HOU-POR 1st round matchup would also be very entertaining.

However if none of this happens I will come at you because of your jinx.


Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


The thing with us is, it's never about the talent, it's about the chemistry and attitude. The same team can go all the way to WCF or one game away from not making the playoffs. The exact same team.

I don't care about us beating the Knicks 230 points, or Anderson shooting 7/13 from 3, or we look good with the Gordon-Harden backcourt partnership, the chemistry on the court looks really good. You see Harden distributing, playing like he is not forcing things, players making runs, ball is moving, Capela and KJ playing with purpose like they are treating this game like a regular season game. Nene looks like he has been with the team for several years already. Even Harden looks in much better than his notorious 'training camp shape' last year. I haven't figured out the full reason behind that and I am reluctant to credit that all to Howard's departure, but I believe there is something to do with that. TLDR - more efficient offense leads to playing harder defense.

We likely won't go far in the playoffs, but for Jon1798 to say we are not better than the Pelicans is a quite a bold statement, unless there is already the assumption that Anderson and Gordon will combine only 40 games this season and AD and Jones play 82 each.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#225 » by gmoney411 » Wed Oct 5, 2016 3:19 pm

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gmoney411 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


Steve Nash is rolling over in his grave right now...


Why are you bringing up Nash? I was talking about the teams after he left Phoenix.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#226 » by Shock Defeat » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:11 pm

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gmoney411 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


Steve Nash is rolling over in his grave right now...

It appears you can't even keep your own argument straight. You were the one to bring up his lack of success since he left Nash. What gmoney said is correct and relevant to the discussion.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#227 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 5, 2016 4:29 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:
gmoney411 wrote:
He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


Steve Nash is rolling over in his grave right now...

It appears you can't even keep your own argument straight. You were the one to bring up his lack of success since he left Nash. What gmoney said is correct and relevant to the discussion.


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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#228 » by Gil » Wed Oct 5, 2016 6:37 pm

Houston will be a Top 3-4 seed depending on if Anderson/Gordon can stay healthy. Harden surrounded by shooters & multiple players that can create their own shots will make them an offensive juggernaut this season. Dwight won't be a big miss either, he was a net negative defensively last season & there was an obvious power struggle between him and Harden. Nene/Capela should replace him pretty easily without either being touch happy.

The question is how good can they be defensively? Bzdelik, improved offense & improved effort should automatically make them better that the **** storm that was last season but they could be elite again like the were a couple of seasons ago if Harden fully dials in on that end considering Ariza, Beverley & Capela/Nene are all very good defenders in their own right.

I think Houston will be one of the most exciting teams in the League & Harden will flirt with something absurd like 30/10 average which hasn't been done since Big O.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#229 » by Jon1798 » Thu Oct 6, 2016 1:29 am

ken6199 wrote:
gmoney411 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Houston at #3, I can't imagine why lol. :P

I don't get the optimism with Houston that some people have. D'Antoni has flamed out at every stop he's had since Phoenix with Nash. And it's not exactly like he's been coaching bottom-feeder teams without talented players of Harden's caliber.

I suspect they'll be a mid-40's team with a rough up and down start to the season, a solid hot-streak mid season and then a bit hit or miss to end the year.


He hasn't been coaching teams with playmakers of Harden's caliber. If Anderson and Gordon can play 70 games, and that's a huge if, the Rockets should be a low 50/high 40 win team. They are built to succeed in the regular season.


The thing with us is, it's never about the talent, it's about the chemistry and attitude. The same team can go all the way to WCF or one game away from not making the playoffs. The exact same team.

I don't care about us beating the Knicks 230 points, or Anderson shooting 7/13 from 3, or we look good with the Gordon-Harden backcourt partnership, the chemistry on the court looks really good. You see Harden distributing, playing like he is not forcing things, players making runs, ball is moving, Capela and KJ playing with purpose like they are treating this game like a regular season game. Nene looks like he has been with the team for several years already. Even Harden looks in much better than his notorious 'training camp shape' last year. I haven't figured out the full reason behind that and I am reluctant to credit that all to Howard's departure, but I believe there is something to do with that. TLDR - more efficient offense leads to playing harder defense.

We likely won't go far in the playoffs, but for Jon1798 to say we are not better than the Pelicans is a quite a bold statement, unless there is already the assumption that Anderson and Gordon will combine only 40 games this season and AD and Jones play 82 each.


You missed the point on that one.

I'm saying, what makes this Houston team necessarily more talented than prior Pelicans teams. Pelicans had Anderson and Gordon, and also had AD, Jrue, Tyreke, etc etc. I'm just saying I have seen Ryan go 10-13 from three, and I've seen him go 3-13 as well. I've seen Gordon look great early, only to have his knee swell, his game suffer, and his season ultimately ended. People have said that Pelicans team was an 8th seed at best. I would just be cautious calling this Rockets team a 3rd seed type of team.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#230 » by ken6199 » Thu Oct 6, 2016 5:24 am

Jon1798 wrote:I'm saying, what makes this Houston team necessarily more talented than prior Pelicans teams. Pelicans had Anderson and Gordon, and also had AD, Jrue, Tyreke, etc etc. I'm just saying I have seen Ryan go 10-13 from three, and I've seen him go 3-13 as well. I've seen Gordon look great early, only to have his knee swell, his game suffer, and his season ultimately ended. People have said that Pelicans team was an 8th seed at best. I would just be cautious calling this Rockets team a 3rd seed type of team.


I hear you man. That sounds reasonable.

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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#231 » by Jon1798 » Thu Oct 6, 2016 10:25 am

ken6199 wrote:
Jon1798 wrote:I'm saying, what makes this Houston team necessarily more talented than prior Pelicans teams. Pelicans had Anderson and Gordon, and also had AD, Jrue, Tyreke, etc etc. I'm just saying I have seen Ryan go 10-13 from three, and I've seen him go 3-13 as well. I've seen Gordon look great early, only to have his knee swell, his game suffer, and his season ultimately ended. People have said that Pelicans team was an 8th seed at best. I would just be cautious calling this Rockets team a 3rd seed type of team.


I hear you man. That sounds reasonable.

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For the record, I think the Rockets are going to make a lot of people look really bad at times. And I hope the Pelcians aren't one of them in China these next couple of weeks.
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Re: Official West Conference Prediction Thread - updated 9/4/16 

Post#232 » by plyrically » Thu Oct 6, 2016 10:33 am

GSW
POR
LAC
SAS
MEM
DAL
OKC
UTA

SAC
MIN
PHX
DEN
NOP
LAL
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Post#233 » by bklynspursfan » Thu Oct 6, 2016 3:37 pm

plyrically wrote:GSW
POR
LAC
SAS
MEM
DAL
OKC
UTA

SAC
MIN
PHX
DEN
NOP
LAL


Portland at 2? I'd be shocked if they're in the top 6 tbh
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Post#234 » by inquisitive » Fri Oct 7, 2016 9:31 pm

Gil wrote:Houston will be a Top 3-4 seed depending on if Anderson/Gordon can stay healthy. Harden surrounded by shooters & multiple players that can create their own shots will make them an offensive juggernaut this season. Dwight won't be a big miss either, he was a net negative defensively last season & there was an obvious power struggle between him and Harden. Nene/Capela should replace him pretty easily without either being touch happy.

The question is how good can they be defensively? Bzdelik, improved offense & improved effort should automatically make them better that the **** storm that was last season but they could be elite again like the were a couple of seasons ago if Harden fully dials in on that end considering Ariza, Beverley & Capela/Nene are all very good defenders in their own right.

I think Houston will be one of the most exciting teams in the League & Harden will flirt with something absurd like 30/10 average which hasn't been done since Big O.


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Post#235 » by the_other_guy » Sat Oct 8, 2016 12:48 pm

WEST:

1. GSW
2. Spurs
3. Clippers
4-5 Utah / Thunder (if RW plays at least 75 games)

6-11/Nuggets/Blazers/Wolves/Houston/Memphis/Mavs

12 Pelicans
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Post#236 » by AKFO » Sun Oct 9, 2016 2:57 am

1. Warriors
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Rockets
5. Jazz
6. Thunder
7. Blazers
8. Grizzlies
9. Timberwolves
10. Suns
11. Pelicans
12. Mavericks
13. Nuggets
14. Kings
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Post#237 » by plyrically » Sun Oct 9, 2016 5:39 am

bklynspursfan wrote:
plyrically wrote:GSW
POR
LAC
SAS
MEM
DAL
OKC
UTA

SAC
MIN
PHX
DEN
NOP
LAL


Portland at 2? I'd be shocked if they're in the top 6 tbh


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Post#238 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Oct 9, 2016 5:53 am

plyrically wrote:
bklynspursfan wrote:
plyrically wrote:GSW
POR
LAC
SAS
MEM
DAL
OKC
UTA

SAC
MIN
PHX
DEN
NOP
LAL


Portland at 2? I'd be shocked if they're in the top 6 tbh


No one can run with the Blazers and they're too deep.

No Rockets anywhere?
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Post#239 » by yanuary » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:37 am

1 GSW
2 SAS
3 LAC
4 HOU
5 POR
6 UTA
7 OKC
8 MIN
9 MEM
10 DAL
11 NOP
12 SAC
13 DEN
14 PHX
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Post#240 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:02 pm

Warriors
Spurs
Clippers
Rockets
Jazz
Blazers
Thunder
Grizzlies

Mavericks
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Nuggets
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Kings
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