Preseason is here! Detroit Pistons @ Brooklyn Nets - Thurs, 7:30pm YES Network

[MrDollarBills]

Correct. He should still see a steady diet of post ups and PnRs but instead of those long twos, he will be shooting threes.


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Lopez scored from a 3 pointer, 1 ft, and two paint scores, one where he posted quickly while the ball was being pushed (looked like something you'd see in those David Blatt videos), and one where he faced up and attacked.

He should be scoring in all 3 ways. I saw nothing wrong with where he was positioned on the floor. We want him to stop shooting long 2s and covert those into threes this is the best way to go

you know what he'll start doing then? he'll start living out there behind the arc....

away from the paint where his size and advantage are actually is of use for the team. How long have we known Brook? he has been guilty of setting for those long 2s rather than continued attacks around the rim.

That's an assumption. I saw him hover around the arc (by design), run down the floor to get position in the post quickly, and catch the ball, face up and attack the basket on a drive.

you think the coach is going to be fine with brook just shooting 3's all game? brook himself isn't even comfortable doing it. Kenny is trying to make Brook into a multi dimensional scorer and you're poo poo'ing it one game in

Kenny is clearly a forward thinking coach. he's trying to maximize Brook Lopez's capabilities. This is what we've wanted from a coach, yes?

[MrDollarBills]

Lopez scored from a 3 pointer, 1 ft, and two paint scores, one where he posted quickly while the ball was being pushed (looked like something you'd see in those David Blatt videos), and one where he faced up and attacked.

He should be scoring in all 3 ways. I saw nothing wrong with where he was positioned on the floor. We want him to stop shooting long 2s and covert those into threes this is the best way to go

you know what he'll start doing then? he'll start living out there behind the arc....

away from the paint where his size and advantage are actually is of use for the team. How long have we known Brook? he has been guilty of setting for those long 2s rather than continued attacks around the rim.

^ This times 1000.

Brook taking that shot is a win for the other team. That's the shot they want him taking.

as opposed to a midrange J?

You guys are so stagnant with your thinking here. The coaches are trying to expand his game. if he starts hitting threes (which isn't exactly a stretch of the imagination) they can use him in multiple looks during sets. inside, outside, foul line, corner.

you bitched for weeks about Lopez's game being something that would hinder the Nets from running a "modern NBA offense". here we have the coaches working to adapt Lopez's skill set to a modern style of play and you still have a problem. first its oh lopez stops the ball when he posts up, now its oh i don't want lopez working the arc on some sets because he'll start settling, despite the fact that last night we saw multiple looks from Lopez in albeit limited action. In reality, its more about how you personally feel about the player instead of what the coaching staff has worked on over the last several weeks with him.

drop the agenda dude. root for the team to succeed if you really care. I saw some very positive things last night. the Nets are clearly headed in the right direction.

[hood30]

Re Harris, I admired the way he stepped up to the challenge and really tried to make an impact in all sorts of ways. I thought of the three that Kenny mentioned before the game - Harris, Bennett, and CMac, Harris understood what an important moment it could be and went for it.

Based on last night, Harris should be part of the rotation..His shooting abilities alone is enough to put him above Foye at the moment.

If things goes right, the 3ball may indeed become an asset for this team, specially if Scola and Hamilton continues to show good range.

[ChokeFasncists]

I fully support Brook shooting the three as long as he takes good shots and shoots an OK percentage.

It opens up the floor for everyone, especially good finishers around the rim like RHJ, Lin and Booker.

Defenders will have to chase him out to the perimeter and he'll get open easier. I'm sure he'll get his share of touches close to the basket.

This team doesn't have to totally depend on his scoring down low to succeed.

[ChokeFasncists]

With our offensive scheme tonight, I'm guessing we will constantly have a combo guard playing in our shooting guard position. I'm guessing Marks and Atkinson plan was to have Foye/Kilpatrick/Vasques/LeVert rotating in that position. The team is missing a back up slashing PG that can destroy defensive schemes. We also need a back up PF. I guess we will be playing Scola until he is dead by the end of the season.

I think Vasquez will play most of the backup PG minutes? Foye can play some too. Let's see what Whitehead and Yogi can do.

Backup PF there's RHJ, Bennett, Bojan, Hamilton, Scola, CMC. Doesn't seem like a big problem.

[ChokeFasncists]

Looks like Kenny's offense is pretty similar to Cliff's. That's nice.

I know I'm having major deja'vu of last season watching the Hornets starting off the season with a 3 point shooting barrage and a major ball movement offense that shocked and delighted their long time fans.

I'm totally all in on Kenny Atkinson

OTOH, seems like Kenny wants Lin to be more of a quarterback.

Guess it's just that Lin haven't shaken bad habits from last season!

His coach, Kenny Atkinson, said he liked what he saw, but also saw a lot of flaws as well, including Lin's passing game. The point guard had only one assist, to Joe Harris.

"It’s [due to] his role last year. He was in a scoring role. He came off the bench and he was looking to attack every time. That’s where we are right now, trying to get him back into point-guard mode, instead of thinking score, score, score,’’ said coach Kenny Atkinson. "That’s something we’re working on, it’s something we’re talking to him about, and we definitely want to see that assist rate go up."

http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/10/6/13193368/nets-open-preseason-with-101-94-win-behind-lin-s-21

[gafun]

Hope we will see more assists from Lin and more scores from Brook and Booker soon.


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[bws94]

Guys need to play to their strength and then make adjustments to playing with each other and in the system. Lopez and Lin need to play their own way and they'll figure out how that works together. Lin is best having his scoring dictate his facilitating. When he tries to set guys up and doesn't look for his own shot, he just doesn't play with the same purpose and bite. He'll get assists from lobs and drive and kicks, he'll feed the hot hand when that happens, but he's a kind of combo guard that likes to dish off of the drive and that's how he gets his teammates going much of the time. And it's fine if Foye or Vazquez dish out the dimes. The point is not who gets them, it's that the team gets them on the stat sheet. Some nights it'll be different guys, but if a guy's shot is going down, then he should shoot. Or if he's able to get to the rim and finish, then he should do that.

[Yit]

Okay some analysis that I have done off the Game 1 stats (for those interested in how I computed the Game Contribution Points GCP drop me a message).

Players GCP:
JLin - 45
LSco - 21
JHam - 19
TBoo - 15
RHJ and BLop - 14
JGut - 12
RFoy - 8
CMC, JHar and YFer - 7
SKil - 6
ABen - 5
GVas and CBud - 3

(General Guide - players are expected to play above a value of 10 to be considered normal below that is considered developing, playing above 20 is good).

In terms of Offensive effort - top 3
RFoy, LSco and TBoo. (Okay in case people ask, JLin didn't really turn it on offensively in terms of effort but he did score very high - his computed raw score was just below that of Booker's and Scola's)

In terms of Defensive effort - top 5
JHam, TBoo, JHar, LSco and SKil

In short, for this game - we can see that both Booker and Scola are the ones really putting in effort on both ends of the court. I didn't get to watch the game, those of you whom may have done so can confirm these computations tally with your own observations.

thanks.

[Net Sentence]

I fully support Brook shooting the three as long as he takes good shots and shoots an OK percentage.

It opens up the floor for everyone, especially good finishers around the rim like RHJ, Lin and Booker.

Defenders will have to chase him out to the perimeter and he'll get open easier. I'm sure he'll get his share of touches close to the basket.

This team doesn't have to totally depend on his scoring down low to succeed.

Who wouldnt you support shooting 3s if the shoot an OK %? SMH

[Prokorov]

Rondae Hollis Jefferson is a +20 on the damn floor.

This is what I keep telling you guys. he is a + impact player and he's only 21 years old. he will be a stud and thank god we finally have adults running this franchise to help develop him into the player he can be.

but go on, sleep on him, say he's hit his ceiling. he will be one of the reasons we turn this damn thing around.

i just dont see how he becomes a stud. i can see how becomes first team all defense. how he is a legit contributing starter. but i dont see a stud. he doesnt need to be one either ot have a big impact, as we are seeing

[Prokorov]

Lopez scored from a 3 pointer, 1 ft, and two paint scores, one where he posted quickly while the ball was being pushed (looked like something you'd see in those David Blatt videos), and one where he faced up and attacked.

He should be scoring in all 3 ways. I saw nothing wrong with where he was positioned on the floor. We want him to stop shooting long 2s and covert those into threes this is the best way to go

you know what he'll start doing then? he'll start living out there behind the arc....

away from the paint where his size and advantage are actually is of use for the team. How long have we known Brook? he has been guilty of setting for those long 2s rather than continued attacks around the rim.

That's an assumption. I saw him hover around the arc (by design), run down the floor to get position in the post quickly, and catch the ball, face up and attack the basket on a drive.

you think the coach is going to be fine with brook just shooting 3's all game? brook himself isn't even comfortable doing it. Kenny is trying to make Brook into a multi dimensional scorer and you're poo poo'ing it one game in

Kenny is clearly a forward thinking coach. he's trying to maximize Brook Lopez's capabilities. This is what we've wanted from a coach, yes?

yeah we dont want brook shooting those horrible long twos at a 0.88 PPP rate or whatever it was. thats terrible. he should be shooting threes in place of those

[Prokorov]

^ This times 1000.

Brook taking that shot is a win for the other team. That's the shot they want him taking.

no... brook shooting long twos is a win for the other team every time. I already showed the math on this in the other thread and it isnt even close.

If brook shoots 26-28% from three he is already topping his production and efficiency off last year (his best year) on long twos. not to mention, the long twos created little space, as teams let him shoot it. if he hits some threes, that may change.

now, we cant have him just fall in love on the perimeter, he still needs the same 60% of his FG attempts from 14 feet an in. thats the only way this becomes a negative, if the 14 feet and in touches get reduced drastically

[Prokorov]

I fully support Brook shooting the three as long as he takes good shots and shoots an OK percentage.

It opens up the floor for everyone, especially good finishers around the rim like RHJ, Lin and Booker.

Defenders will have to chase him out to the perimeter and he'll get open easier. I'm sure he'll get his share of touches close to the basket.

This team doesn't have to totally depend on his scoring down low to succeed.

Who wouldnt you support shooting 3s if the shoot an OK %? SMH

thing is, he doesnt even need to shoot an OK percentage for it to be better then his long twos at the 44-45% rate he shoots them at. he can shoot it at 26-28% and it would still be more efficient

[Net Sentence]

^ This times 1000.

Brook taking that shot is a win for the other team. That's the shot they want him taking.

no... brook shooting long twos is a win for the other team every time. I already showed the math on this in the other thread and it isnt even close.

If brook shoots 26-28% from three he is already topping his production and efficiency off last year (his best year) on long twos. not to mention, the long twos created little space, as teams let him shoot it. if he hits some threes, that may change.

now, we cant have him just fall in love on the perimeter, he still needs the same 60% of his FG attempts from 14 feet an in. thats the only way this becomes a negative, if the 14 feet and in touches get reduced drastically

I dont want Lopez out by the 3pt line.

[Prokorov]

^ This times 1000.

Brook taking that shot is a win for the other team. That's the shot they want him taking.

no... brook shooting long twos is a win for the other team every time. I already showed the math on this in the other thread and it isnt even close.

If brook shoots 26-28% from three he is already topping his production and efficiency off last year (his best year) on long twos. not to mention, the long twos created little space, as teams let him shoot it. if he hits some threes, that may change.

now, we cant have him just fall in love on the perimeter, he still needs the same 60% of his FG attempts from 14 feet an in. thats the only way this becomes a negative, if the 14 feet and in touches get reduced drastically

I dont want Lopez out by the 3pt line.

id prefer he spends 100% of his time being super aggresive and killing it in the paint. we both know that will never happen.

i'd 1000% rather have him at the 3 point line then at the top of the key

[Kaiser30]

no... brook shooting long twos is a win for the other team every time. I already showed the math on this in the other thread and it isnt even close.

If brook shoots 26-28% from three he is already topping his production and efficiency off last year (his best year) on long twos. not to mention, the long twos created little space, as teams let him shoot it. if he hits some threes, that may change.

now, we cant have him just fall in love on the perimeter, he still needs the same 60% of his FG attempts from 14 feet an in. thats the only way this becomes a negative, if the 14 feet and in touches get reduced drastically

This.

It's about substituting the inefficient shots he would take anyway, not making him camp at the three point line.

Moreover, a big man with shooting range is very helpful. I remember the Hawks playing the Pacers in the playoffs two or three seasons ago. The whole Pacers' defense was build around Hibbert protecting the rim. But when Pero Antic was on the court - not even a good all-around player, but a respectable shooter - Hibbert had to guard him away from the paint and the Pacers suddenly struggled defensively. But again, I don't want Brook to become a spot-up shooter either, but it adds another dimension to the game.

[hood30]

no... brook shooting long twos is a win for the other team every time. I already showed the math on this in the other thread and it isnt even close.

If brook shoots 26-28% from three he is already topping his production and efficiency off last year (his best year) on long twos. not to mention, the long twos created little space, as teams let him shoot it. if he hits some threes, that may change.

now, we cant have him just fall in love on the perimeter, he still needs the same 60% of his FG attempts from 14 feet an in. thats the only way this becomes a negative, if the 14 feet and in touches get reduced drastically

I dont want Lopez out by the 3pt line.

id prefer he spends 100% of his time being super aggresive and killing it in the paint. we both know that will never happen.

i'd 1000% rather have him at the 3 point line then at the top of the key

I also have issues with Brooks spending too much time behind the 3PT line, but my guess is if Booker won't take 3's, Brooks have to make up for it by taking a few.

With the heavy motion offense, you can't have Brook and Booker inside..One of the 2 needs to camp outside to spread the floor, and if you insist on playing Booker, you have to let Brook go out..Brook is already a better jump shooter.

[ChokeFasncists]

I fully support Brook shooting the three as long as he takes good shots and shoots an OK percentage.

It opens up the floor for everyone, especially good finishers around the rim like RHJ, Lin and Booker.

Defenders will have to chase him out to the perimeter and he'll get open easier. I'm sure he'll get his share of touches close to the basket.

This team doesn't have to totally depend on his scoring down low to succeed.

Who wouldnt you support shooting 3s if the shoot an OK %? SMH

I guess I wasn't being clear enough. What I meant wasn't for him to shoot a little bit of threes, I meant shooting a lot of threes. (not too much of course)

I dont want Lopez out by the 3pt line.

Maybe you should be more clear too, does it mean you don't want him out by the 3pt line because you don't think he can shoot an OK%?