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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#181 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:53 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:Just a word of caution on Wikileaks.... some of the emails actually released were actually doctored or simply falsified by Assange & the Russians.

Here's a link to explain:

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/intelligence-expert-confirms-latest-hillary-clinton-email-dump-from-wikileaks-is-full-of-forgeries/26242/

There are some inconsistences in the email released.

But this email release still isn't worse than what has come out with Trump.
Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#182 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:55 pm

Jeffrey wrote:In 2012 election when Obama gave a slap to the crusty old white guys, I seriously thought RNC needed to change strategy which they actually tried to. In 2016, GOP voters are just doubling down on everything. I really can't blame Trump for this... it's really the people that voted for him. Unless Hillary effs up the next 4 years, I don't see how 2020 will be anything good for the GOP.


I absolutely believe this is part of it, but I think the mistrust in institutions and the government runs dangerously deeper.

I think in no small part to lack of prosecutions after the financial meltdown. And no, I'm not blaming that "on Obama" but more a systemic problem due to the corrupting influence of big money. I"m not naive. It's not a new influence; it's just tipped over into a more obvious thing and people across class and ideology have noticed.

Trump one by combining the typical Republican playbook with the niceties stripped out, plus captured everyone of right/center to right wing disgusted with "the government"
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#183 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:55 pm

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Phish Tank wrote:Just a word of caution on Wikileaks.... some of the emails actually released were actually doctored or simply falsified by Assange & the Russians.

Here's a link to explain:

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/intelligence-expert-confirms-latest-hillary-clinton-email-dump-from-wikileaks-is-full-of-forgeries/26242/

There are some inconsistences in the email released.

But this email release still isn't worse than what has come out with Trump.


Wikileaks credibility is in the toilet at this point so no one should expect them to play a role in the election at this point
Why??why is WikiLeaks credibility in the toilet...
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#184 » by GONYK » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:56 pm

KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:Just a word of caution on Wikileaks.... some of the emails actually released were actually doctored or simply falsified by Assange & the Russians.

Here's a link to explain:

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/intelligence-expert-confirms-latest-hillary-clinton-email-dump-from-wikileaks-is-full-of-forgeries/26242/

There are some inconsistences in the email released.

But this email release still isn't worse than what has come out with Trump.
Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?


Correct. She can't make an executive order to change the Constitution.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#185 » by Oscirus » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:58 pm

method wrote:
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method wrote:Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.


Really? You know it's easy to disprove such a statement. Right?

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#186 » by KingDavid » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:59 pm

method wrote:
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method wrote:Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

To abolish an amendment?

Congress may overturn an Executive order by a two-thirds vote. The United States Supreme Court can declare that an Executive order is unconstitutional and unenforceable. Additionally, a subsequent president can reverse an Executive order.

So knowing that Congress would likely never, ever allow a repeal of the 2nd amendment to pass, why is that a big deal?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#187 » by Ignitowsky » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:02 pm

method wrote:
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method wrote:Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

Obama has signed fewer executive orders than Bush, Reagan or Clinton. He's actually averaged fewer executive orders per year then most presidents in the previous Century up until now. You had absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but that makes sense because you get your information from Drudge and Breitbart. Here's a link in case you're interested.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#188 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:08 pm

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method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

Obama has signed fewer executive orders than Bush, Reagan or Clinton. He's actually averaged fewer executive orders per year then most presidents in the previous Century up until now. You had absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but that makes sense because you get your information from Drudge and Breitbart. Here's a link in case you're interested.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php


The internet has been a real boon for the propaganda industry in a democracy.

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#189 » by N Y K » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:11 pm

method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:Taking away our right to bare arms by executive order isn't worse then what Trump said...are you f ing kidding me OMFG.

Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

that's just false
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#190 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:15 pm

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method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.


Really? You know it's easy to disprove such a statement. Right?

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

You're welcome.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/

maybe I jumped the gun a bit...but the fact is she wants to abolish free speech by saying a alt right don't have the right to exist.And whoever becomes president gets to pick 3 supreme court justices and if she is elected they will all be against the 2nd amendment that's a giving
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#191 » by N Y K » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:17 pm

Wasn't Barack supposed to have taken away guns by now anyway?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#192 » by K_ick_God » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:20 pm

Fantasy politics:

GOP says vote Trump and we promise to impeach and remove him during his inaugural address. R members of Congress sign one of their famous pledges. Pence becomes president before Trump finishes his speech. Contract with America. Trump gets to say he was the 45th president for a few minutes. President Pence.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#193 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:26 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Ignitowsky wrote:
method wrote:The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

Obama has signed fewer executive orders than Bush, Reagan or Clinton. He's actually averaged fewer executive orders per year then most presidents in the previous Century up until now. You had absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but that makes sense because you get your information from Drudge and Breitbart. Here's a link in case you're interested.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php


The internet has been a real boon for the propaganda industry in a democracy.

Joe Stalin, Chairman Mao, Hitler, must all be smiling down in hell.


It has been counter-intuitive in a way. Once upon a time I thought access to facts would bring clarity.

But the web is also a levelling field when it comes to voicing ones' opinions and those who wish to sidestep fact checks have learned that the information firehose is strictly a matter of volume, not veracity.

Overwhelm via vehemence and volume is the tactic of those who won't slow down to incorporate factual reality and Trump is their icon because his whole personality structure is an endless expression of the notion that if I say its true then it is. So Trump is really the poster child for the fringe lunatics because he is one.

As you're saying pretty smartly, you can't blame Trump for doubling down on the memes he chose to hammer. Not that I think you're excusing him, but acknowledging the tactic and its historical roots.

And the wrinkle I'm adding is that just as much as his strongest supporters may agree with him on something like immigation, I'm also saying there is a deep emotional connection Trump has made with those who have gone through life feeling slighted and looked down upon intellectually.

It goes beyond people enjoying a boorish pig like him thumbing his nose at the "establishment" (whatever that fictional realm is in their vague minds) and extends into an affiliation of the heart. They can be dirt poor in a trailer park and still they see themselves in this crude silver spoon billionaire because he is carrying around the same wounded heart as them. Trump is clearly a hurt little boy with Daddy issues and many of his supporters don't even have a clue this is why they feel so close to him.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#194 » by KingDavid » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:29 pm

method wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
method wrote:The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.


Really? You know it's easy to disprove such a statement. Right?

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

You're welcome.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/

maybe I jumped the gun a bit...but the fact is she wants to abolish free speech by saying a alt right don't have the right to exist.And whoever becomes president gets to pick 3 supreme court justices and if she is elected they will all be against the 2nd amendment that's a giving

It's not that simple.

Remember our conversation about the court of public opinion? There would be a massive outcry against that.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#195 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:41 pm

KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
Really? You know it's easy to disprove such a statement. Right?

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-orders

You're welcome.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/

maybe I jumped the gun a bit...but the fact is she wants to abolish free speech by saying a alt right don't have the right to exist.And whoever becomes president gets to pick 3 supreme court justices and if she is elected they will all be against the 2nd amendment that's a giving

It's not that simple.

Remember our conversation about the court of public opinion? There would be a massive outcry against that.
Wheres the massive out cry that America are the aggressors in started a war with Russia.Wheres the massive outcry that Clinton was subpoenaed to hand over her emails by congress and 3 weeks later bleached her emails then beat all her phones and laptops they were on by a hammer and wasn't indicted??Ive never smashed any of my stuff with a hammer and if I did it would be to hid something.The fact is nothing Trump can say would never ever be as bad as what the Clinton crime family has done.Should I go in on how she robbed the Haitian people thru her charity.Nobody wants to talk about what the Clintons have done there above the law....meanwhile they twist and turn and blowup with the help of the media what Trump said.Please give me a break.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#196 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:54 pm

KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:Bear arms? Wouldn't she need a vote of congress?
The President can bypass congress by executive order something Obama has done more the all the presidents combined....pretty much what a dictator would do.

To abolish an amendment?

Congress may overturn an Executive order by a two-thirds vote. The United States Supreme Court can declare that an Executive order is unconstitutional and unenforceable. Additionally, a subsequent president can reverse an Executive order.

So knowing that Congress would likely never, ever allow a repeal of the 2nd amendment to pass, why is that a big deal?
The next President gets to pick the next 3 Supreme court justices and if Clinton is elected its a given they will be against the 2nd amendment because she is.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#197 » by method » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:55 pm

Trump represents REAL change Clinton some old bull crap...
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#198 » by KingDavid » Sat Oct 8, 2016 11:56 pm

method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/07/wikileaks-release-hillary-clinton-press-secretary-says-gun-control-implemented-executive-order/

maybe I jumped the gun a bit...but the fact is she wants to abolish free speech by saying a alt right don't have the right to exist.And whoever becomes president gets to pick 3 supreme court justices and if she is elected they will all be against the 2nd amendment that's a giving

It's not that simple.

Remember our conversation about the court of public opinion? There would be a massive outcry against that.
Wheres the massive out cry that America are the aggressors in started a war with Russia.Wheres the massive outcry that Clinton was subpoenaed to hand over her emails by congress and 3 weeks later bleached her emails then beat all her phones and laptops they were on by a hammer and wasn't indicted??Ive never smashed any of my stuff with a hammer and if I did it would be to hid something.The fact is nothing Trump can say would never ever be as bad as what the Clinton crime family has done.Should I go in on how she robbed the Haitian people thru her charity.Nobody wants to talk about what the Clintons have done there above the law....meanwhile they twist and turn and blowup with the help of the media what Trump said.Please give me a break.

What does any of that have to do with the right to bear arms?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#199 » by duetta » Sun Oct 9, 2016 12:06 am

method wrote:Trump represents REAL change Clinton some old bull crap...


Trumps represents gross incompetence married to vanity married to adolescent machismo married to chaos.

Electing Trump as President would be like selecting Nero or Caligula as Roman emperor.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#200 » by method » Sun Oct 9, 2016 12:07 am

KingDavid wrote:
method wrote:
KingDavid wrote:It's not that simple.

Remember our conversation about the court of public opinion? There would be a massive outcry against that.
Wheres the massive out cry that America are the aggressors in started a war with Russia.Wheres the massive outcry that Clinton was subpoenaed to hand over her emails by congress and 3 weeks later bleached her emails then beat all her phones and laptops they were on by a hammer and wasn't indicted??Ive never smashed any of my stuff with a hammer and if I did it would be to hid something.The fact is nothing Trump can say would never ever be as bad as what the Clinton crime family has done.Should I go in on how she robbed the Haitian people thru her charity.Nobody wants to talk about what the Clintons have done there above the law....meanwhile they twist and turn and blowup with the help of the media what Trump said.Please give me a break.

What does any of that have to do with the right to bear arms?
It doesn't I was venting my bad.....but Im done Im out.....vote for the sellout Clinton and I will support Trump,,late
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