The 2016 Offseason Thread

[bwgood77]

Watching the Archie Goodwin draft express video, it's amazing and sad to see that his shot really has not improved at all. It still is flat.

I totally agree that in today's NBA, you absolutely must be able to shoot and shoot consistently, otherwise you will never be able to cut it.

So at this point, we have to ask: Why has Archie's shot not improved? Is it a lack of attention on behalf of our coaching staff? Or is Archie too stubborn to make the effort to change it?

The scary thing is that with an improved shot, Archie becomes dangerous. I mean honestly, it could be another Hassan Whiteside situation where a player can't cut it, goes to the D-league, matures a bit and improves drastically, and then comes back and becomes a near allstar talent.

I still have hope.

If Archie had fixed his shot by year 2, he'd be a legit 15+ppg scorer off the bench. His ability to draw fouls is at an elite level but defenders gives his shot no respect so they just sag off him when he's out at the perimeter. As for why it hasn't improved...some players just have broken shots. It's kind of like guards who can't seem to shoot over 70-75% from the FT line. It's kind of a guard's job to be able to shoot FT's (although bigs should as well) and you'd expect them to put in hours in training working on it but some guards just can't seem to get it done in game. Archie's shot might just be broken. I'm positive he's put in work by himself, with trainers and even with Hornacek.

Yeah, some guys never become good shooters. I mean just because you have certain skills doesn't mean you should necessarily be capable of developing other skills that are completely different. I mean look at Rondo and Rubio. They have never really improved their shooting much.

You could say the same with many of the bigs and their free throws. If something doesn't happen within a couple years, I don't think it will. Most good shooters were good shooters in college.

[Qwigglez]

Jason Kidd improved his shot so much that I feel like it prolonged his career. Wes Mathews said his shot was terrible early in his career. Rondo and Rubio both have great court vision, where Archie is more of a slasher and that's his only move. I really liked Archie when he came here, but now not so much.

[Zelaznyrules]

Jason Kidd improved his shot so much that I feel like it prolonged his career. Wes Mathews said his shot was terrible early in his career. Rondo and Rubio both have great court vision, where Archie is more of a slasher and that's his only move. I really liked Archie when he came here, but now not so much.

He did? I know he improved a little and his volume certainly went up but I would have used him as an example of a player that survived without improving his shot very much. When are you talking about and can you give us some examples of how he improved, looking at his stats I can't really find any evidence of significant improvement.

[Qwigglez]

I didn't really look at stats actually. Just from the eye test I thought he had improved his shooting, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention enough when he was a younger player.

[Zelaznyrules]

I didn't really look at stats actually. Just from the eye test I thought he had improved his shooting, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention enough when he was a younger player.

Makes sense. He started shooting more 3's when he went to NJ and he was never as bad from the arc as he was elsewhere so that probably helped his reputation as a shooter.

[Fo-Real]

The thing about Archie that pisses me off is his non development of everything else. If you are a guy his size and as athletic as him who cant seem to develop a consistent shot, you need to make every other aspect of your game make it hard to cut you. He should have strived to be an absolute lock down defender by now, he should be a great glue and locker room guy at the least. Instead he chooses to be a whiney woe as me tweener who thinks he has a legit shot as a point guard even though he can not shoot, and more importantly is not an intuitive passer. Too selfish and dumb to run a team effectively and couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag. Even now if he were to dedicate himself to being show worthy at everything but shooting, I would love to have him on the team but he WONT!