Rose found not liable: Update pg. 62

[Amsterdam]

I made no assumptions, I responded to what I read, in some cases people were saying her being with other guys ruined her credibility.

Show me where I called you a dirtbag, talk about sensitive, what you're attributing to me is in you mind and that's on you not me.



Ok, her counsel chose to present her that way and she is not shy or a prude, does that change anything? Promiscuous women can be/are raped and often times women do try to hide their sexual history because of the stigma.



I have given Rose the same consideration I have given her, everything I said about Rose revolves around his own comments which make him come across as an unsympathetic to put it mildly.

Just humor me for a second, why should Derrick Rose empathize with this woman?

Isn't it evident at this point that her feelings of melancholy and betrayal are largely fabricated?

Who said anything about being sympathetic to her? Sexual assault is a serious problem that hits close to home for a lot of people to have such a cavalier attitude about such a serious issue is never going to be well received in the public's eye. Speaking in a courtroom as though you're speaking to your friends is not smart, but that's just my view of it.

It is your view in your post. You are right, it is a serious, very painful and degrading experience.

Have you ever consider that Rose should not be the focal point of admonishment. But that this woman should be severely punished for making a mockery of such a heinous crime?

[BKlutch]

Donald Trump figured out how to make D Rose look like a better guy. He seems to be much worse.

[Swoosh_Stripes]

Just humor me for a second, why should Derrick Rose empathize with this woman?

Isn't it evident at this point that her feelings of melancholy and betrayal are largely fabricated?

Who said anything about being sympathetic to her? Sexual assault is a serious problem that hits close to home for a lot of people to have such a cavalier attitude about such a serious issue is never going to be well received in the public's eye. Speaking in a courtroom as though you're speaking to your friends is not smart, but that's just my view of it.

It is your view in your post. You are right, it is a serious, very painful and degrading experience.

Have you ever consider that Rose should not be the focal point of admonishment. But that this woman should be severely punished for making a mockery of such a heinous crime?

Why can't both be looked at for what they are? That deposition was cringe worthy.

[BKlutch]

Who said anything about being sympathetic to her? Sexual assault is a serious problem that hits close to home for a lot of people to have such a cavalier attitude about such a serious issue is never going to be well received in the public's eye. Speaking in a courtroom as though you're speaking to your friends is not smart, but that's just my view of it.

It is your view in your post. You are right, it is a serious, very painful and degrading experience.

Have you ever consider that Rose should not be the focal point of admonishment. But that this woman should be severely punished for making a mockery of such a heinous crime?

Why can't both be looked at for what they are? That deposition was cringe worthy.

I plan to never be involved in such a relationship, ever. Of course, not that I could be. My wife would def. kill me for that.

[JXL]

It would seem that Rose's legal team wants to throw this case out seeing this is going in Rose's favor. Not much evidence from Doe's lawyers to counter with.

[Dr. Detfink]

Pretty much will be settled out of court. She'll get a few million. Rose will return re-invigorated and motivated to get $30M per season as a free agent.

Now, how healthy Noah will be...THAT'S truly a news story I am worried about.

[NYKBaller]

Pretty much will be settled out of court. She'll get a few million. Rose will return re-invigorated and motivated to get $30M per season as a free agent.

Now, how healthy Noah will be...THAT'S truly a news story I am worried about.

If it was me, after all this I'd make sure she doesn't get a penny from me. Already sullied my name and reputation

[AmazingJason]

Pretty much will be settled out of court. She'll get a few million. Rose will return re-invigorated and motivated to get $30M per season as a free agent.

Now, how healthy Noah will be...THAT'S truly a news story I am worried about.

If it was me, after all this I'd make sure she doesn't get a penny from me. Already sullied my name and reputation

Judge needs to toss this sh*t out the window so Rose can move on and do real life important stuff.

[Dr. Detfink]

This Derrick Rose case is a cautionary tale that ALL men out there need to be VERY careful out there.

I knew this story from a bartender friend of mine. A young man who is a bartender at a nearby bar in Manhattan visits my friend at his bar and starts chatting up this young girl. They start talking each other's ears off. Knocking back drinks. She offers him to come back to HER place. My buddy tries to stop him but he's having none of that. He wants to get laid.

He gets it on with this girl. Then the NEXT morning....

She gets up and freaks out, demanding who he is and what he's doing here...she calls the cops and accuses him of raping her. He ran his butt off and luckily was not arrested due to the fact she can't remember his name and what happened.

Turns out my buddy was trying to tell the young man that she's cool to talk to but when she gets drunk she gets really nuts. In so many words he was almost positive she was on psych meds. This girl BTW is a nanny!

I'm well into my forties and grateful I never was in that situation. No mixed messages. Two ADULTS.

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up...I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

[Icandoallthings]

Pretty much will be settled out of court. She'll get a few million. Rose will return re-invigorated and motivated to get $30M per season as a free agent.

Now, how healthy Noah will be...THAT'S truly a news story I am worried about.

If it was me, after all this I'd make sure she doesn't get a penny from me. Already sullied my name and reputation

That would be horrible for the KNICKS. Rose needs to make this go away break her off a check get back to playing. The last thing we need is this thing getting dragged out through the season. A season full of leaks and rumors and anonymous sources is really not in our best interests. I am guessing you are on the young side or have not experienced personally a lawsuit and its emotional toll. Kobe handled it the right way imho.

[CJackson]

Pretty much will be settled out of court. She'll get a few million. Rose will return re-invigorated and motivated to get $30M per season as a free agent.

Now, how healthy Noah will be...THAT'S truly a news story I am worried about.

If it was me, after all this I'd make sure she doesn't get a penny from me. Already sullied my name and reputation

That would be horrible for the KNICKS. Rose needs to make this go away break her off a check get back to playing. The last thing we need is this thing getting dragged out through the season. A season full of leaks and rumors and anonymous sources is really not in our best interests. I am guessing you are on the young side or have not experienced personally a lawsuit and its emotional toll. Kobe handled it the right way imho.

I think you can relax. It will be over this month, probably in the coming week

[MaseInYourFace]

This Derrick Rose case is a cautionary tale that ALL men out there need to be VERY careful out there.

I knew this story from a bartender friend of mine. A young man who is a bartender at a nearby bar in Manhattan visits my friend at his bar and starts chatting up this young girl. They start talking each other's ears off. Knocking back drinks. She offers him to come back to HER place. My buddy tries to stop him but he's having none of that. He wants to get laid.

He gets it on with this girl. Then the NEXT morning....

She gets up and freaks out, demanding who he is and what he's doing here...she calls the cops and accuses him of raping her. He ran his butt off and luckily was not arrested due to the fact she can't remember his name and what happened.

Turns out my buddy was trying to tell the young man that she's cool to talk to but when she gets drunk she gets really nuts. In so many words he was almost positive she was on psych meds. This girl BTW is a nanny!

I'm well into my forties and grateful I never was in that situation. No mixed messages. Two ADULTS.

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up...I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

Cool story. No seriously it was but i just don't see how it is analogous at all. Derrick Rose just needs to get a lot smarter.

[CJackson]

This Derrick Rose case is a cautionary tale that ALL men out there need to be VERY careful out there.

I knew this story from a bartender friend of mine. A young man who is a bartender at a nearby bar in Manhattan visits my friend at his bar and starts chatting up this young girl. They start talking each other's ears off. Knocking back drinks. She offers him to come back to HER place. My buddy tries to stop him but he's having none of that. He wants to get laid.

He gets it on with this girl. Then the NEXT morning....

She gets up and freaks out, demanding who he is and what he's doing here...she calls the cops and accuses him of raping her. He ran his butt off and luckily was not arrested due to the fact she can't remember his name and what happened.

Turns out my buddy was trying to tell the young man that she's cool to talk to but when she gets drunk she gets really nuts. In so many words he was almost positive she was on psych meds. This girl BTW is a nanny!

I'm well into my forties and grateful I never was in that situation. No mixed messages. Two ADULTS.

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up...I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

Some people use the word rape very casually

On a 2nd date a woman who invited me into her bedroom took off her top and then yelled "you're raping me!" when i went to peel off her pants. Turns out she had a condition which required her to pee through a tube connected to a duct implanted in her belly and she hadn't told me and she panicked. Weirdest moment ever. I realized she was freaking out, but still I was deeply offended that she would even use that word. That was it for us. People do and say the damndest things.

[mhsiao]

This Derrick Rose case is a cautionary tale that ALL men out there need to be VERY careful out there.

I knew this story from a bartender friend of mine. A young man who is a bartender at a nearby bar in Manhattan visits my friend at his bar and starts chatting up this young girl. They start talking each other's ears off. Knocking back drinks. She offers him to come back to HER place. My buddy tries to stop him but he's having none of that. He wants to get laid.

He gets it on with this girl. Then the NEXT morning....

She gets up and freaks out, demanding who he is and what he's doing here...she calls the cops and accuses him of raping her. He ran his butt off and luckily was not arrested due to the fact she can't remember his name and what happened.

Turns out my buddy was trying to tell the young man that she's cool to talk to but when she gets drunk she gets really nuts. In so many words he was almost positive she was on psych meds. This girl BTW is a nanny!

I'm well into my forties and grateful I never was in that situation. No mixed messages. Two ADULTS.

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up...I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

Some people use the word rape very casually

On a 2nd date a woman who invited me into her bedroom took off her top and then yelled "you're raping me!" when i went to peel off her pants. Turns out she had a condition which required her to pee through a tube connected to a duct implanted in her belly and she hadn't told me and she panicked. Weirdest moment ever. I realized she was freaking out, but still I was deeply offended that she would even use that word. That was it for us. People do and say the damndest things.

Actually no.

Like it or no In Canada and I believe in many states in USA. By law having sex with someone without consent from that person is rape and by law you can't give consent for sex under influence such as alcohol or drug. Which is exactly what Dr. Detfink described and why you should think twice if you believe you are about to score in pub as if your hot one night stand call cop on you, you are in big trouble.

[blueNorange]

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up..I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

i joke about the derrick rose thing just to get a rise out of people, but this right here is some dark, twisted, thinking.

wow.

so were you okay with brock turner only getting 6 months in jail? i mean he legit raped a drunk girl while being drunk.

[blueNorange]

"but hey if she's drunk and you're drunk, by all means have sex with her" - dr.deftnik

“You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today.”

I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.

On that morning, all that I was told was that I had been found behind a dumpster, potentially penetrated by a stranger, and that I should get retested for HIV because results don’t always show up immediately. But for now, I should go home and get back to my normal life. Imagine stepping back into the world with only that information.

“Your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. My damage was internal, unseen, I carry it with me,” she told Turner in court. “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice.”

[CJackson]

This Derrick Rose case is a cautionary tale that ALL men out there need to be VERY careful out there.

I knew this story from a bartender friend of mine. A young man who is a bartender at a nearby bar in Manhattan visits my friend at his bar and starts chatting up this young girl. They start talking each other's ears off. Knocking back drinks. She offers him to come back to HER place. My buddy tries to stop him but he's having none of that. He wants to get laid.

He gets it on with this girl. Then the NEXT morning....

She gets up and freaks out, demanding who he is and what he's doing here...she calls the cops and accuses him of raping her. He ran his butt off and luckily was not arrested due to the fact she can't remember his name and what happened.

Turns out my buddy was trying to tell the young man that she's cool to talk to but when she gets drunk she gets really nuts. In so many words he was almost positive she was on psych meds. This girl BTW is a nanny!

I'm well into my forties and grateful I never was in that situation. No mixed messages. Two ADULTS.

These days, it's encouraged if you had second thoughts AFTERWARDS then you were raped. That is muddying the waters. Sexual assault is wrong and needs to be addressed. At the same time, the moment a woman willingly buys drinks, gets inebriated, and willingly opens herself up...I mean, what's a guy who is also under the influence supposed to think?

Some people use the word rape very casually

On a 2nd date a woman who invited me into her bedroom took off her top and then yelled "you're raping me!" when i went to peel off her pants. Turns out she had a condition which required her to pee through a tube connected to a duct implanted in her belly and she hadn't told me and she panicked. Weirdest moment ever. I realized she was freaking out, but still I was deeply offended that she would even use that word. That was it for us. People do and say the damndest things.

Actually no.

Like it or no In Canada and I believe in many states in USA. By law having sex with someone without consent from that person is rape and by law you can't give consent for sex under influence such as alcohol or drug. Which is exactly what Dr. Detfink described and why you should think twice if you believe you are about to score in pub as if your hot one night stand call cop on you, you are in big trouble.

No? No what?

I was relating a situation where someone inappropriately used the word rape without any prior indication of discomfort with the situation which was alarming to me. But you're talking about consent and I was not in a situation like that. It was shared to illustrate how casually the word seems to be used sometimes because it was entirely inappropriate to the situation I found myself in.

If that person then made an accusation it would have been their word vs. mine and they would have been lying, but mostly they were embarassed and reacted in a strange way that could have been avoided and they knew they had messed up so I was not dealing with something that would go beyond what it was in that moment.

Anyway, that was my only encounter with someone using that word and it was mostly a strange anecdotal moment in my life, not a serious situation beyond that awkward moment.

[trophywinner]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/10/derrick-roses-testimony-may-not-fly-with-mostly-female-jury/

Lastly, Rose testified that he removed a used condom from her home when he left. This was a highly unusual action and reasonably suggests Rose was trying to destroy any evidence of “unconsented-to” sex.

i'd like to think the media is trolling about the condom thing. highly unusual to take & dispose of a used condom...really? there's a perfectly reasonable explanation to why he did it that doesn't involve "destroying evidence". it's common practice among most men, matter of fact.

[JXL]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/10/derrick-roses-testimony-may-not-fly-with-mostly-female-jury/

Lastly, Rose testified that he removed a used condom from her home when he left. This was a highly unusual action and reasonably suggests Rose was trying to destroy any evidence of “unconsented-to” sex.

i'd like to think the media is trolling about the condom thing. highly unusual to take & dispose of a used condom...really? there's a perfectly reasonable explanation to why he did it that doesn't involve "destroying evidence". it's common practice among most men, matter of fact.

They say destroying evidence, others say safe sex 101.Don't want more babies feom baby mamas.

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[moocow007]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/10/derrick-roses-testimony-may-not-fly-with-mostly-female-jury/

Lastly, Rose testified that he removed a used condom from her home when he left. This was a highly unusual action and reasonably suggests Rose was trying to destroy any evidence of “unconsented-to” sex.

i'd like to think the media is trolling about the condom thing, pushing it as rose attempting to destroy evidence...

Yeah it's fishy. The problem with this argument is Rose never said he didn't have sex with the victim. So to imply that the intent (removing the condom) was to hide that any sex even occurred (why one would remove the condom from the residence) is spotty. And obviously a condom can't prove or disprove whether the sex was "consensual" or not (regardless of how many partners), only that sex happened (...for those that haven't gotten that part of it yet...). Also, is removing (as in throwing away) a condom after sex really that "highly unusual"?