Can Trump wiggle out of this one?

[thebuzzardman]

It is not really possible to say he is not a corrupt politician when he has been busted bribing politicians.

And he has broken the law many times more than any politician I'm aware of.

Well, that is my point. He's running on not being the corrupt consummate insider, yet it was a form of both of those things that got him where he is today. Well, those things and basically gleaning that America is a cult of personality, so he created a persona and then milked it for cash. The reality TV craze came along at about just the right time for him as well.

Sure, he is the offspring of graft and corruption and he took it to a new level. Seeing his supporters moan about corrupt politicians and the Clintons is comedy gold. Trump is the dirtiest dealing human being I've ever seen in the form of a businessman. His whole business M.O. is to rip people off. You explain the well-documented history of his deceits to his followers and they blithely go on about how he is a good businessman. He's nuts and so are they.

Because all demagogues and strongmen, their campaigns are not backed on real truth (though of course there are smatterings of truth - all good lies etc), but are faith based events. Basically this is secular religion.

[thebuzzardman]

I think you are overestimating the intelligence (and underestimating the anger) of many US voters.

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

You can doubt Hillary's intelligence, but I don't doubt her team which is about to go 3-for-3 in Presidential elections.

The worst thing for the GOP is for Trump's zombie campaign to stay alive. Now that he energized his base last night, Senators and House members who want to disavow him, but have Trump leaning constituents can't. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trump can't be replaced at this point. Even if was, she'd still win, but really, he can't. The best thing for her is not only to win the Presidency, but to arm Senate and House members down ballot with something to jam their opponents with as well.

I don't think that calculation is beyond a woman who has been in politics for 30 years, or her campaign team.

Can the Dems truly win some of those gerrymandered districts - meaning Congressional seats mainly?

[GONYK]

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

You can doubt Hillary's intelligence, but I don't doubt her team which is about to go 3-for-3 in Presidential elections.

The worst thing for the GOP is for Trump's zombie campaign to stay alive. Now that he energized his base last night, Senators and House members who want to disavow him, but have Trump leaning constituents can't. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trump can't be replaced at this point. Even if was, she'd still win, but really, he can't. The best thing for her is not only to win the Presidency, but to arm Senate and House members down ballot with something to jam their opponents with as well.

I don't think that calculation is beyond a woman who has been in politics for 30 years, or her campaign team.

Can the Dems truly win some of those gerrymandered districts - meaning Congressional seats mainly?

They have a small chance if they can split the Republican vote. If they can get voters to vote Trump, but abstain from voting down ballot out of protest, or vice versa.

I think they have a much cleaner shot at the Senate though.

[moocow007]

I think you are overestimating the intelligence (and underestimating the anger) of many US voters.

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

You can doubt Hillary's intelligence, but I don't doubt her team which is about to go 3-for-3 in Presidential elections.

The worst thing for the GOP is for Trump's zombie campaign to stay alive. Now that he energized his base last night, Senators and House members who want to disavow him, but have Trump leaning constituents can't. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trump can't be replaced at this point. Even if was, she'd still win, but really, he can't. The best thing for her is not only to win the Presidency, but to arm Senate and House members down ballot with something to jam their opponents with as well.

I don't think that calculation is beyond a woman who has been in politics for 30 years, or her campaign team.

Oh I'm sure her campaign managers know what they are doing, but rarely in the past 30 years has any candidate really been right on or shown to be exceptional in debates where you don't have scripts or people whispering in your ear what to say and when to say it. That's what I was implying. Going for the kill (in a debate forum) requires something that very few candidates at any level have shown to be quite honest. I don't recall the last candidate that I would have said was exceptional when left to their own devices. Closest one is probably Bernie Sanders in this years cast of characters. My implication is that most politicians are not near as glib or competent as their teams represent them as or folks want to believe they are...on their own. It's part of the sham that is politics. A skilled debater would have taken Trump (and Clinton for that matter) apart.

[GONYK]

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

You can doubt Hillary's intelligence, but I don't doubt her team which is about to go 3-for-3 in Presidential elections.

The worst thing for the GOP is for Trump's zombie campaign to stay alive. Now that he energized his base last night, Senators and House members who want to disavow him, but have Trump leaning constituents can't. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trump can't be replaced at this point. Even if was, she'd still win, but really, he can't. The best thing for her is not only to win the Presidency, but to arm Senate and House members down ballot with something to jam their opponents with as well.

I don't think that calculation is beyond a woman who has been in politics for 30 years, or her campaign team.

Oh I'm sure her campaign managers know what they are doing, but rarely in the past 30 years has any candidate really been right on or shown to be exceptional in debates where you don't have scripts or people whispering in your ear what to say and when to say it. That's what I was implying. Going for the kill (in a debate forum) requires something that very few candidates at any level have shown to be quite honest. I don't recall the last candidate that I would have said was exceptional when left to their own devices. Closest one is probably Bernie Sanders in this years cast of characters. My implication is that most politicians are not near as glib or competent as their teams represent them as or folks want to believe they are...on their own. It's part of the sham that is politics. A skilled debater would have taken Trump (and Clinton for that matter) apart.

Yea, I agree with that

[Capn'O]

I don't recall the last candidate that I would have said was exceptional when left to their own devices.

Barry O is quite the wordsmith.

[GONYK]

I don't recall the last candidate that I would have said was exceptional when left to their own devices.

Barry O is quite the wordsmith.

True, but even he let Romney smack him around in the first debate.

[Capn'O]

I don't recall the last candidate that I would have said was exceptional when left to their own devices.

Barry O is quite the wordsmith.

True, but even he let Romney smack him around in the first debate.

Romney, while not charismatic, knew his economic policies inside and out. I enjoyed those debates.

[Jeffrey]

Barry O is quite the wordsmith.

True, but even he let Romney smack him around in the first debate.

Romney, while not charismatic, knew his economic policies inside and out. I enjoyed those debates.

And Romney was right about getting that 5-7% of President Obama's votes to win the election. Just didn't sit well with America.

[TrueWarrior]

Trump destroyed the witch. It was bootyful. This train still has plenty of gas left. Buckle up!

[K_ick_God]

Trump destroyed the witch. It was bootyful. This train still has plenty of gas left. Buckle up!

He and Pence can get in their convertible and drive off the cliff together.

Hillary up 11 per new NBC/WSJ poll. Billy Bush bus tape was the final straw. With more tapes, GOP could really lose the House. Imagine if that happens. Trump sweeps out the whole national party.

Maybe Hillary should reward him with a position, just to be fair. White House butler.

[GONYK]

He and Pence can get in their convertible and drive off the cliff together.

Hillary up 11 per new NBC/WSJ poll. Billy Bush bus tape was the final straw. With more tapes, GOP could really lose the House. Imagine if that happens. Trump sweeps out the whole national party.

Maybe Hillary should reward him with a position, just to be fair. White House butler.

To be fair, that new survey doesn't take the debate into account. But I think it is pretty safe to say that the debate wasn't good enough for Trump to wipe out a double digit lead. The scientific opinion polls don't even have him winning the debate for the most part.

Trump only really catered to people who were going to vote for him already. He really didn't make an appeal to anyone else. He needs to win over Hillary supporters, and acting as unhinged as he did in the first 30 mins certainly didn't accomplish that.

Time has pretty much run out on him anyway. Barring a something concrete coming out about Hillary, there just isn't enough time for him to recover.

Even if something does come out, voting has already begun in many places. People can't unvote.

[K_ick_God]

He and Pence can get in their convertible and drive off the cliff together.

Hillary up 11 per new NBC/WSJ poll. Billy Bush bus tape was the final straw. With more tapes, GOP could really lose the House. Imagine if that happens. Trump sweeps out the whole national party.

Maybe Hillary should reward him with a position, just to be fair. White House butler.

To be fair, that new survey doesn't take the debate into account. But I think it is pretty safe to say that the debate wasn't good enough for Trump to wipe out a double digit lead. The scientific opinion polls don't even have him winning the debate for the most part.

Trump only really catered to people who were going to vote for him already. He really didn't make an appeal to anyone else. He needs to win over Hillary supporters, and acting as unhinged as he did in the first 30 mins certainly didn't accomplish that.

Time has pretty much run out on him anyway. Barring a something concrete coming out about Hillary, there just isn't enough time for him to recover.

Even if something does come out, voting has already begun in many places. People can't unvote.

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. If anything, Trump is just driving up her likability -- which helps her not only in this race, but also in her ability to govern.

He also may cost them the House if there are more tapes. If so, maybe Hillary passes a single-payer system, or at least the public option. In that case the Dems should name the bill "Trumpcare," in honor of the man who made it possible.

[blazeyo]

I trust Hillary less than I trust Trump and that's bad.
She is a sneaky little bitch

[GONYK]

He and Pence can get in their convertible and drive off the cliff together.

Hillary up 11 per new NBC/WSJ poll. Billy Bush bus tape was the final straw. With more tapes, GOP could really lose the House. Imagine if that happens. Trump sweeps out the whole national party.

Maybe Hillary should reward him with a position, just to be fair. White House butler.

To be fair, that new survey doesn't take the debate into account. But I think it is pretty safe to say that the debate wasn't good enough for Trump to wipe out a double digit lead. The scientific opinion polls don't even have him winning the debate for the most part.

Trump only really catered to people who were going to vote for him already. He really didn't make an appeal to anyone else. He needs to win over Hillary supporters, and acting as unhinged as he did in the first 30 mins certainly didn't accomplish that.

Time has pretty much run out on him anyway. Barring a something concrete coming out about Hillary, there just isn't enough time for him to recover.

Even if something does come out, voting has already begun in many places. People can't unvote.

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. If anything, Trump is just driving up her likability -- which helps her not only in this race, but also in her ability to govern.

He also may cost them the House if there are more tapes. If so, maybe Hillary passes a single-payer system, or at least the public option. In that case the Dems should name the bill "Trumpcare," in honor of the man who made it possible.

On that note, Paul Ryan basically conceded that Hillary will win and that he's only going to concentrate on the House.

Speaker Paul Ryan told House Republicans on a conference call Monday morning that he’s done defending Donald Trump and will focus on maintaining his party’s increasingly imperiled House majority, according to sources on the call.

The message amounted to a concession by the highest-ranking elected Republican that his nominee for president can’t win — and lawmakers should save themselves and the Republican-controlled Congress to act as a check on Hillary Clinton.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ryan-to-house-lawmakers-i-wont-defend-trump-229541#ixzz4MhmfYsYM

[BKlutch]

Trump landed some body blows but at the expense of looking even more mean and unfit to lead.

I'm sure it was fun for those who already dislike her a lot, but that's obviously not the crowd that would help him win. He doesn't see a pathway to win anymore, and at least he's right about that.

Not that hard to take a scorched earth approach but he's good at it since he's genuinely obnoxious.

I'm sure you meant this figuratively, but watching his body language while he was lurking behind her, I began to worry if he was going to physically attack her.

I'm glad he didn't and he remains in the race. Why? His staying in the race makes it a little harder for the Republican Senate and House candidates to retain their seats. The more he does what he does, the more moderates and undecideds jump ship.

[BKlutch]

Whose his running mate?

Chasson Randle of course!

Baker Randle 2016 has a nice ring to it

They might be the best combo out there, but unfortunately, they're constitutionally barred from running because of their age. We'd have to get Kobe and 'Sheed.

[BKlutch]

I honestly think she didn't want to put him in the ground. Finishing him isn't in her best interest. Having him on the ticket the remainder of the race is. Especially since we all know more tapes are coming out.

Clinton's only objective last night was to do no harm. I think she accomplished that. The state of play is totally in her favor. No need to shake up the board too much.

I think you are overestimating the intelligence (and underestimating the anger) of many US voters.

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

She could have gone full bore vicious and hammered him til he bled. I believe that she didn't want to put on a vicious personality in front of all America. I think she let him did his own whole while she tried to appear presidential. He looked like a vicious animal who needed a leash, stalking her like that and saying what he did. She looked like a person who had more important things to do than a mud fight.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Warren Buffet firing shots back at Trump

“I have no problem in releasing my tax information while under audit. Neither would Mr. Trump –- at least he would have no legal problem,” Buffett writes.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

To be fair, that new survey doesn't take the debate into account. But I think it is pretty safe to say that the debate wasn't good enough for Trump to wipe out a double digit lead. The scientific opinion polls don't even have him winning the debate for the most part.

Trump only really catered to people who were going to vote for him already. He really didn't make an appeal to anyone else. He needs to win over Hillary supporters, and acting as unhinged as he did in the first 30 mins certainly didn't accomplish that.

Time has pretty much run out on him anyway. Barring a something concrete coming out about Hillary, there just isn't enough time for him to recover.

Even if something does come out, voting has already begun in many places. People can't unvote.

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. If anything, Trump is just driving up her likability -- which helps her not only in this race, but also in her ability to govern.

He also may cost them the House if there are more tapes. If so, maybe Hillary passes a single-payer system, or at least the public option. In that case the Dems should name the bill "Trumpcare," in honor of the man who made it possible.

On that note, Paul Ryan basically conceded that Hillary will win and that he's only going to concentrate on the House.

Speaker Paul Ryan told House Republicans on a conference call Monday morning that he’s done defending Donald Trump and will focus on maintaining his party’s increasingly imperiled House majority, according to sources on the call.

The message amounted to a concession by the highest-ranking elected Republican that his nominee for president can’t win — and lawmakers should save themselves and the Republican-controlled Congress to act as a check on Hillary Clinton.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ryan-to-house-lawmakers-i-wont-defend-trump-229541#ixzz4MhmfYsYM

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