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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#281 » by vxmike » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:08 am

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McBulls wrote:I agree with Coldfish that the VAT taxes imposed on our exports by most of our trading partners are unfair and costly to US workers. The solution seems obvious: pass our own 18% VAT.

The problem is that VAT tax is inherently regressive and is paid primarily by consumers. If you spend 100% of your income on consumer staples, you pay a bigger fraction than the millionaire who spends his money on offshore golf courses, summer homes and sailboats and saves the rest. It's not clear to me how it can be made more fair. Perhaps the proceeds could be earmarked to pay for public health and education, which are services for the poor and working classes that are currently supported with payroll taxes and, to some extent, sales taxes, which are also regressive. On the other hand, as recent news related to Trump's tax paying behavior illustrate, income taxes seem to be pretty regressive as well, thanks to loopholes provided by bribed legislators and heavily renumerated tax lawyers who help multimillionaires drive through them.

I'd like the issue of VAT taxes and the apparent regressive nature of our income, property and estate taxes to be addressed in the next town hall debate between the candidates. I don't have high hopes that we will get responsive answers, but it would be nice if the issues were at least raised. Candidates should be pressed to show how they plan to get themselves and their rich patrons to pay their fair share of taxes. I expect smoke and mirrors in response, but maybe the heat on the topic would do some good.


+1.

See my post above. Replace social security tax (which is regressive itself) with a national sales tax. Problem solved. Unlike now, the sale of chinese goods would contribute to our social safety net.

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I would go so far as to replace social security and all welfare programs with a guaranteed minimum income for all citizens.


Agree on the Basic Income in lieu of welfare and S and I'm a strong fiscal conservative. Your previous posts about automation and the resulting lack of full employment rendering existing economic systems obsolete are spot on in my opinion. Donald's capitalism will lead to more wealth concentration but HRC's commie socialist stuff reminds me of Venezuelan economics.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#282 » by SHO'NUFF » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:57 am

At this point everyone who opposes Hillary needs to accept that's she's going to be the next president. Even Trump knows it by now.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#283 » by Ben » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:57 am

Jo Jo English wrote:I think Trump "won" in the sense that he placed a tourniquet on his campaign after the disastrous last 48 hours. Trump did a pretty good job staying on the attack and Hillary never really had any knockout moments.

That said... when Trump mentioned that he was going to do whatever he could to investigate/jail Clinton if he wins... well, yikes. That may end up being the story of the night right there. We'll see how that plays.


Yep. When he said that, I couldn't believe my ears. Told my wife that I had never heard anyone outside of a second/third world dictatorship threaten (promise?) to jail his opponent. It's already getting a fair amount of attention--
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/9/13222826/donald-trump-debate-clinton-jail-dictator--
but I sort of doubt that anyone who already liked Trump or who hates Hillary will view it with horror.

The author of the linked Vox article got treated to this from the Trump fanbase on Twitter:
Read on Twitter



Those are the kinds of people Hillary meant by "deplorables." Might not be half of Trump's supporters, which would probably mean about 15% of the electorate (since he's polling at about 40% and since some of those who say they'll vote for him don't like HIM but just see him as the better option). Then again, that might be about right. :nonono:
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#284 » by MrSparkle » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:39 am

Trump's list of judges is enough to scare me. Sorry, but I'm not in support of making the Supreme Court more right-wing than it already is. You want to talk parallel sci-fi dystopia scenarios? Go ahead and keep allowing the religious-right with their ideological agendas to be placed on life-terms in arguably the most powerful branch of them all.

Talk about the branch that has the power to strip Americans of most their rights... Abortion and Gay Marriage is what they want you to focus on, because it's a trivial dispute at this point. There's no turning back the clock now. Go ahead and ban abortions; people will still get them, less safely and unfairly prosecuted like criminals. Gay couples aren't going to put up with legislation that strips their rights.

Trump went on to praise Scalia as a benchmark judge. A racist, party-driven/agenda judge who strongly/emotionally pushed every Bush/Cheney/Wolfovitz agenda for going to war, bolstoring executive commands/overrides, limiting citizen's freedoms... Not to mention he was all for giving "non-profit" corps like Citizen United the "freedom" to push whatever propoganda they want, endlessly with their infinite budgets. Yeah -- really fair and just when the richest monopolies get to use all their infinite wealth to push films/ads/propoganda that favor their money-making interests.

You can blame most of the current and past social problems on conservative sociopaths elected into office... Who went ahead and nominated sociapath judges to the Supreme Court.

Everyone jokes about "I'm curious what Trump will do." Well, he's a sociopath-- he's going to **** things up, give all the racist/rich/sociapathic men all the tools they need to send America back another decade.

I remind everybody that W. Bush (Cheney) era was not a good time for anybody except people with enough millions and billions to go and reap the benefits of all the stock and real estate crashes.

Trump's a bigot whose form of debating issues is using his "charisma" to repeatedly call Hillary an "idiot liar" and changing topics to continue addressing her scandals that everybody is so obsessed with uncovering. News flash -- every long time politician has a record of punishable mistakes that are pardoned. Compared to what Cheney/Bush had done, the Hillary pursuits (which continue failing) are laughable tax-money/media endeavors. So much propoganda is out there trying to slay Hillary.

If Dick Cheney and Bush (not to mention Trump) were investigated as thoroughly and publically as Hillary... You'd find enough dirt to throw them in a guillotine. But of course those hypocrites had the Scalias (rest in hell) protecting their legacies.

But hey, it's America. The voting public is obsessed with moral agendas and "bringing things back to the way they were." Too bad the growing population, growing tech sector (robots/machines/self-service), women/minorities having equal qualifications... Too bad all that is making it impossible to live the old dream of working at the local plant and making enough money to buy your nuclear family a stupid cube house in pleasantville suburbia with a vacation house in FL and a Cadillac...

As far as entrepreunerial aspirations go, we're still at "comfortable" time for starting up a business. You just can't expect to do it with a shoe shop or a landscaping company. :lol:

Trump is a sociopath with entirely too much money passed down to him, living in a fantasy world. Please don't fall for his catch phrase macho swagger. Don't worry, I'm not crazy about another in the "oligarchy" line of family politicians, but Hillary isn't going to eat your unborn babies' brains and shut down all the coal mines and car factories in America.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#285 » by fleet » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:25 am

Interested to see if McConnell decides to let the SC vote go forward for Garland now that Trump looks like a sure loser
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#286 » by Norseman » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:09 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Trump's list of judges is enough to scare me. Sorry, but I'm not in support of making the Supreme Court more right-wing than it already is. You want to talk parallel sci-fi dystopia scenarios? Go ahead and keep allowing the religious-right with their ideological agendas to be placed on life-terms in arguably the most powerful branch of them all.

Talk about the branch that has the power to strip Americans of most their rights... Abortion and Gay Marriage is what they want you to focus on, because it's a trivial dispute at this point. There's no turning back the clock now. Go ahead and ban abortions; people will still get them, less safely and unfairly prosecuted like criminals. Gay couples aren't going to put up with legislation that strips their rights.

Trump went on to praise Scalia as a benchmark judge. A racist, party-driven/agenda judge who strongly/emotionally pushed every Bush/Cheney/Wolfovitz agenda for going to war, bolstoring executive commands/overrides, limiting citizen's freedoms... Not to mention he was all for giving "non-profit" corps like Citizen United the "freedom" to push whatever propoganda they want, endlessly with their infinite budgets. Yeah -- really fair and just when the richest monopolies get to use all their infinite wealth to push films/ads/propoganda that favor their money-making interests.

You can blame most of the current and past social problems on conservative sociopaths elected into office... Who went ahead and nominated sociapath judges to the Supreme Court.

Everyone jokes about "I'm curious what Trump will do." Well, he's a sociopath-- he's going to **** things up, give all the racist/rich/sociapathic men all the tools they need to send America back another decade.

I remind everybody that W. Bush (Cheney) era was not a good time for anybody except people with enough millions and billions to go and reap the benefits of all the stock and real estate crashes.

Trump's a bigot whose form of debating issues is using his "charisma" to repeatedly call Hillary an "idiot liar" and changing topics to continue addressing her scandals that everybody is so obsessed with uncovering. News flash -- every long time politician has a record of punishable mistakes that are pardoned. Compared to what Cheney/Bush had done, the Hillary pursuits (which continue failing) are laughable tax-money/media endeavors. So much propoganda is out there trying to slay Hillary.

If Dick Cheney and Bush (not to mention Trump) were investigated as thoroughly and publically as Hillary... You'd find enough dirt to throw them in a guillotine. But of course those hypocrites had the Scalias (rest in hell) protecting their legacies.

But hey, it's America. The voting public is obsessed with moral agendas and "bringing things back to the way they were." Too bad the growing population, growing tech sector (robots/machines/self-service), women/minorities having equal qualifications... Too bad all that is making it impossible to live the old dream of working at the local plant and making enough money to buy your nuclear family a stupid cube house in pleasantville suburbia with a vacation house in FL and a Cadillac...

As far as entrepreunerial aspirations go, we're still at "comfortable" time for starting up a business. You just can't expect to do it with a shoe shop or a landscaping company. :lol:

Trump is a sociopath with entirely too much money passed down to him, living in a fantasy world. Please don't fall for his catch phrase macho swagger. Don't worry, I'm not crazy about another in the "oligarchy" line of family politicians, but Hillary isn't going to eat your unborn babies' brains and shut down all the coal mines and car factories in America.


It must be nice to live in your reality. All you do is throw around your sjw labels with nothing to back it up; racist, bigot, sociopath(lol, sociopath? really? jesus..., oh, and "rest in hell"? typical classy liberal. They preach that love and tolerance until you disagree with them, then death upon you. lol.) Hillary is the one with dead people under her watch, not Trump. In my experience, the most bigoted intolerant people I've ever met have been rabid Hillary supporters. Vandalizing property, assaulting people in Trump hats, breaking out windows from cars with trump bumper stickers has been widely documented. Not covered by the real propagandists mind you, i.e; every mainstream news outlet in america. It is ridiculous how unabashedly biased it is. It's 1980's Soviet Union level of propaganda. I know it's hard to notice this in your safe-space echo chamber you likely live in, but it is absolutely insane if you are ever able to take a look at it objectively.

It boggles the mind how people can actually support Hillary. Hillary is a fraud. Claims to be a feminist yet takes cash from countries that treat women like complete ****. Attacks victims of her husbands many sexual assaults, while protecting him. She is out for herself and no one else. She displays the same hypocrisy with the gay community. Again taking handouts from Gay murdering Saudi Arabia. Now she's wanting to go to war with Russia if it is determined that they were responsible for leaking her and the corrupt DNC's actions that screwed Bernie Sanders out of the nomination. If that isn't reason enough for her, she will create one by going into Syria in order to control the airfields there. Hell, Obama is already pushing for it. Hello WW3 if we start **** with Russia. That is beyond unnecessary and stupid. Russia is doing what we wont and killing ISIS scum but hey lets start a war with them to protect the rebels infested with ISIS. Also, Hillary voted for every **** middle eastern conflict we've made the mistake of getting into in last few decades... But Trump's the warmonger. Right.

Trump is anti establishment. Anti Bush, Anti Clinton. Both parties have been **** up the country for years. I'm no fan of Bush or other establishment republicans, or democrats obviously, but I'd rather give Trump a chance than going with the corrupt piece of **** that is Hillary Clinton. It's amusing to me that this thread is full of cocksure "Trump is 100% losing" comments when he is the one filling auditoriums and arenas while Hill-shill can't draw a **** fly to help fill out a high school gymnasium. Her supporters don't show up to her rallies, don't vote for her in the majority of online polls, but they'll TOTALLY show up and vote for her on election day. Right.

Sadly, I fully expect her to commit election fraud and win. Democrats have already been caught registering dead people to vote with the intent of voting for her in Virginia so it's just a matter of time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html She also has the entirety of the media in her pocket, not to mention the FBI so we'll all be up to our neck in the fetid, **** that is a Hillary Clinton presidency before long. Hope you can swim.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#287 » by coldfish » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:40 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
Trump is a sociopath with entirely too much money passed down to him, living in a fantasy world. Please don't fall for his catch phrase macho swagger. Don't worry, I'm not crazy about another in the "oligarchy" line of family politicians, but Hillary isn't going to eat your unborn babies' brains and shut down all the coal mines and car factories in America.


For a while, I thought Hillary was basically just a bland candidate seeking to put "President" on her resume. As more things have come out validating what Sanders was saying (her speeches, the DNC favoring her, etc.), I really do think she is a money grabbing lying corporatist.

The playbook there is rather insidious. Allow megacorps to merge and/or manipulate the rules to increase prices and suppress wages and then push some socialist redistribution policy to return a small percentage of their gains and make yourself look like you are for the middle class. Clinton working with this republican congress could be a very dangerous thing. As I said earlier, Clinton I gave us WTO, NAFTA, 3 strikes, BP-Amoco, Exxon-Mobile, no glass steagall, etc. What is Clinton II going to give us?

I know Clinton is your next president and I have no idea how to mitigate the impact of that.

.......

Crappy analogy time:

Person robs a house and empties it out. Cop catches them on the way out.
- A democrat would suggest that the cop take half of the ill begotten gains and redistribute it to everyone on the street and allow the thief to keep the other half.
- A republican would suggest that the cop just let the guy go because when he spends all that money and new found wealth, it will stimulate the economy and trickle down to everyone.

What we need is someone who is just going to arrest the thief and give the homeowner his stuff back.

For those that don't get the analogy: The thief is a corporation who is taking money out of middle class pockets by manipulating the rules in his favor.

.......

I in no way, shape or form mean to equivocate the two here. Trump is over the top. When he was giving answers last night, he had trouble forming coherent thoughts. He was basically trying to string together sound bytes and tweets instead of explaining his positions in a professional manner. At this point, I have no idea how he isn't dirt poor because he legitimately seems outright dumb.

I can't say that about Hillary. There isn't one thought in my mind that she isn't a very intelligent person.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#288 » by Red8911 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:54 pm

Jo Jo English wrote:I think Trump "won" in the sense that he placed a tourniquet on his campaign after the disastrous last 48 hours. Trump did a pretty good job staying on the attack and Hillary never really had any knockout moments.

That said... when Trump mentioned that he was going to do whatever he could to investigate/jail Clinton if he wins... well, yikes. That may end up being the story of the night right there. We'll see how that plays.
When trump mentioned that he wants to investigate Hilary many ppl and media called him Hitler and a dictator. That's ridiculous, so Hilary getting away with the email scandal is ok? They didn't do anything to her because of who she is. Trump simply stated that he will put a private investigator to look into her case, he can't put her to jail if she's innocent(which I doubt she is).
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#289 » by Red8911 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:04 pm

SHO'NUFF wrote:At this point everyone who opposes Hillary needs to accept that's she's going to be the next president. Even Trump knows it by now.

You think people will not vote for him now because of something he said 11 years ago?No it's far from over, trump has many supporters. Media has been against him since day one yet he still has beat out the Republican Party and has a good chance to win now too.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#290 » by chifan1798 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:52 pm

Red8911 wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:At this point everyone who opposes Hillary needs to accept that's she's going to be the next president. Even Trump knows it by now.

You think people will not vote for him now because of something he said 11 years ago?No it's far from over, trump has many supporters. Media has been against him since day one yet he still has beat out the Republican Party and has a good chance to win now too.

He still has a chance to win, but he isn't doing anything to help sway any undecided voters. He's certainly not going to be getting many women voters, let alone educated women voters. People have been leaning one way or the other for months now, and neither candidate has done anything to sway the vote of the people already decided. The higher ups in the Republican Party have hated Trump from day 1. They are reluctantly voting for him. But many are looking for a good excuse as to why they can withdraw their support, and have used the recent incident to do so.


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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#291 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:06 pm

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Sadly, I fully expect her to commit election fraud and win. Democrats have already been caught registering dead people to vote with the intent of voting for her in Virginia so it's just a matter of time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html She also has the entirety of the media in her pocket, not to mention the FBI so we'll all be up to our neck in the fetid, **** that is a Hillary Clinton presidency before long. Hope you can swim.


wow. :lol:

Look, I despise Hillary Clinton. I do. I despise Trump even more, but.... this is outrageous.

Hillary doesn't have to commit election fraud to win. Trump does. This race has been over for weeks. That is the reality. All Hillary has to do is not F it up now. There is no way. Not a chance in hell Trump can win. This will be a landslide for the Dems. Likely be the largest margin in some time.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#292 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:08 pm

Red8911 wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:At this point everyone who opposes Hillary needs to accept that's she's going to be the next president. Even Trump knows it by now.

You think people will not vote for him now because of something he said 11 years ago?No it's far from over, trump has many supporters. Media has been against him since day one yet he still has beat out the Republican Party and has a good chance to win now too.


It will be a rout. Trump won't even get to 200 electoral votes. Clinton had a double digit lead in the only real polls. That was before the debate last night and Trump didn't do enough to close that gap much at all.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#293 » by TheStig » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:30 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:At this point everyone who opposes Hillary needs to accept that's she's going to be the next president. Even Trump knows it by now.

You think people will not vote for him now because of something he said 11 years ago?No it's far from over, trump has many supporters. Media has been against him since day one yet he still has beat out the Republican Party and has a good chance to win now too.


It will be a rout. Trump won't even get to 200 electoral votes. Clinton had a double digit lead in the only real polls. That was before the debate last night and Trump didn't do enough to close that gap much at all.

I don't get Trump. He put on a show for his voters who were already voting for him. Anyone who was college educated or in Hilary's camp didn't view that positively.

Instead of coming out and debating the topics and throwing in some zingers, he turned it into the Jerry Springer show.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#294 » by Mech Engineer » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:44 pm

Trump is a creep. My wife was scared to even switch on the TV before the debate because she wanted to shield our son from listening to that kind of discussion. This is not some TV drama or a movie. This is somebody who is running for the president and you want your kids to understand a little bit about the bigger picture of the country. He is just a bully who doesn't seem to have even common decency and is lost in his narcissism. Forget the issues, political scandals etc...

The first quality in a president is you need someone who is not a creep or a racist. And, he doesn't seem to have a single coherent thought. I think he was better in his first debate in terms of decency.

That said, it is a sad commentary we need this kind of guy to disrupt our political system.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#295 » by Bulls_MIT » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:04 pm

Throughout the debate, even when he wasn't talking his demeanor was creepy. I noticed the people on stage had their eyes following Trump, while Hillary was talking. He paced around aimlessly with a look of anger and frown on his face. He even stood behind a chair and started rocking back and forth against it..creepy. His whole body language was immature, you couldn't even imagine this type of behavior from a president.

Then when he did talk, he was always in attack mode like a desperate character on the Jerry Springer Show. The look on Hillary's face was completely different when he would talk. She sat down, listened, but had an expression that said "no matter how many insults or threats he throws my way, I'm lucky to be going up against an unqualified creep like this.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#296 » by Bobbalu » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:56 pm

I could care less for either candidate personally. My concern is the economy. Granted Obama's policy helped to save the US from total collapse after 2008, but he also ran the debt up faster than any president before. It was a necessary evil in my opinion, but 4 more years of the same is not sustainable. These politicians just politicians, or lawyers. I'm tired of pretty polished words and rhetoric. We need someone with a sense for business to run this country like a company. Just my opinion.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#297 » by TheStig » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:08 pm

Bulls_MIT wrote:Throughout the debate, even when he wasn't talking his demeanor was creepy. I noticed the people on stage had their eyes following Trump, while Hillary was talking. He paced around aimlessly with a look of anger and frown on his face. He even stood behind a chair and started rocking back and forth against it..creepy. His whole body language was immature, you couldn't even imagine this type of behavior from a president.

Then when he did talk, he was always in attack mode like a desperate character on the Jerry Springer Show. The look on Hillary's face was completely different when he would talk. She sat down, listened, but had an expression that said "no matter how many insults or threats he throws my way, I'm lucky to be going up against an unqualified creep like this.

Hilary is very lucky she didn't get a real republican. I don't agree with Rubio or Cruz's values but they would be destroying her. Trump's novelty doesn't extend much past his hardcore supporters.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#298 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:14 pm

Cruz wouldn't be destroying her imo. That guy is even creepier than Trump somehow.
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Post#299 » by TheStig » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:29 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Cruz wouldn't be destroying her imo. That guy is even creepier than Trump somehow.

Cruz could formulate a discussion on policy and still put her down for emails and past issues. I think a normal republican candidate would have destroyed her. When they were doing the polls toward the end, all of them were favorable against Hilary. Only Trump struggled.
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Re: OT: 2016 Presidential Debate (Trump vs Hillary) Round 2 - 10/9 

Post#300 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:59 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:Cruz wouldn't be destroying her imo. That guy is even creepier than Trump somehow.

Cruz could formulate a discussion on policy and still put her down for emails and past issues. I think a normal republican candidate would have destroyed her. When they were doing the polls toward the end, all of them were favorable against Hilary. Only Trump struggled.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

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