Can Trump wiggle out of this one?

[Phish Tank]

About the Iran deal, just sayin'

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[Bill Pidto]

We are all so screwed no matter who wins. Why don't enough people understand that? The world is in terrible hands...

[Bill Pidto]

About the Iran deal, just sayin'

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nailed it

[GONYK]

Wasn't there a poster on here telling us that we should be reading Alex Jones and Infowars if we wanted the real news?

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[BadNewsBarnes]

Right...and my high level sources say that Trump is friends with the Clintons and Alex Jones is Bill Hicks. LOL

[K_ick_God]

Open civil war in the GOP.

[Jeffrey]

Open civil war in the GOP.

Can't wait... rednecks are ready and able to divide this country up once The Donald gives them the go-ahead.

[moocow007]

We are all so screwed no matter who wins. Why don't enough people understand that? The world is in terrible hands...

Yeah the terms "out of the frying pan, into the fire" and "damned if you do, damned if you don't" are likely going to be very applicable for this presidential election.

I say they make me President and you the Vice President. Think of the chicks we can get!

[Capn'O]

I've honestly never read that site. Is this typical of it? What a time to be alive.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I've honestly never read that site. Is this typical of it? What a time to be alive.

I just checked it out. The first link I went to mentioned they are team hoodwink. You could replace Hillary with Phil, country with Knicks fans and it sounds like something from here

Showing their true colors, the Clinton’s attempt to counter their own dastardly deeds with false accusations. Their tactics are shrewd, honed by decades of dishonest political manipulation.

Will they hoodwink the whole country again? Or will their castle of lies come crushing down in the harsh light of the truth? Alex breaks down the latest salvo in this rousing call to patriots everywhere.

[CJackson]

Ron Baker for president

Whose his running mate?

Thon Maker

Is Candlestick going to be the Undersecretary of Defense?

[CJackson]

Another way of looking at it is this....If Donald is just a foil for Clinton, and he's in on it, I don't think the $5M comes into play...just a thought....

He's not a foil. His pathologies run too deep. He is in a position even he himself didn't expect to be in.

Yes, being himself may get him out of the terror he clearly has about being burdened with the duties of being president, but the cartoon that he is has been etched into stone for decades. This is not a put-on. He really is a complete schmuck loser of a human being.

What makes it all so truly bizarre is his own lack of self-consciousness. There literally is no filter on this guy so what we perceive to be self-destruction is in his mind appropriate behavior. You can't make this stuff up.

The only reason some people consider Trump media savvy and a successful showman is because there are enough walking lobotomies in America that actually find him appealing. He's vile, but some people dig it.

Americans love celebrities. They love them and they hate them, but they are not indifferent to them. Trump is where he is because he was a brash outsized personality everyone knew.

If his so-called "candor" was really the reason he got this far, then there have been plenty of audacious loudmouths who preceded him who didn't get very far because they lacked the name recognition.

Trump is the metaphorical celebrity of consumer culture because his whole persona was built around plastering his name on everything. That's how this all happened. People actually were excited to be at his rallies and meet the legend in the flesh. All of this rubbish his fans spout about his policies are mental fabrications of their own. Trump stands for nothing but Trump. He just went the low road and sought out the most uncritical portion of the population and repeated a few phrases that makes their panties wet and they did the rest to convince themselves his politics were theirs. Its just a bunch of fiction.

The dysfunction is legit and real though and not for show. I don't believe he is part of a sabotage plan from the get go. He is merely the spawn of Republican policies come home to roost. He was the perfect demon to harvest their craven agenda for his own benefit. That's all it is.

There are some people who really "get" celebrity branding and it's gateway to fame and money in America. Some of the them have talent and some of them don't. To name a few:

Madonna (she's an early implementer of the phenom and one of it's true geniuses)
Lady Gaga - running with Madonna's playbook
Trump - the angry white business guy version
Kim Kardashian
Paris Hilton (apparently she has some true business acumen behind her shallow exterior)
Beyonce
etc

For the record Beyonce, Madonna and Lady Gaga have talent. You can argue and have opinions about how much. It's pop music, so of course their fame and compensation is out of proportion to their talent. It's just the way it is.

For the record, "Into The Groove" is one of the greatest workout songs of all time

[CJackson]

I think you are overestimating the intelligence (and underestimating the anger) of many US voters.

I think we may also be overestimating the intelligence of Hillary Clinton (in actually being able to see the opportunity and go in and complete the kill). I think if she could she would have. This may be the most dysfunctional pair of candidates in the history of the world.

You can doubt Hillary's intelligence, but I don't doubt her team which is about to go 3-for-3 in Presidential elections.

The worst thing for the GOP is for Trump's zombie campaign to stay alive. Now that he energized his base last night, Senators and House members who want to disavow him, but have Trump leaning constituents can't. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trump can't be replaced at this point. Even if was, she'd still win, but really, he can't. The best thing for her is not only to win the Presidency, but to arm Senate and House members down ballot with something to jam their opponents with as well.

I don't think that calculation is beyond a woman who has been in politics for 30 years, or her campaign team.

Again, I think you have correctly assessed the situation. They see the almost perfect storm brewing whereby not only will Trump can lose the electoral college by a big margin, but the disaffection of Trump voters towards the GOP could actually swing the whole congress now to the Dems (something that is now possible because of the GOP melting down).

Hill is going to walk that edge now where Trump stays in while the GOP goes into conniptions and they all self-destruct. The best way to do that is let them do it more than her attacking her with full magnum force and then let more video leaks of Herr Drumpf punch more holes into his rowboat.

[CJackson]

Well, that is my point. He's running on not being the corrupt consummate insider, yet it was a form of both of those things that got him where he is today. Well, those things and basically gleaning that America is a cult of personality, so he created a persona and then milked it for cash. The reality TV craze came along at about just the right time for him as well.

Sure, he is the offspring of graft and corruption and he took it to a new level. Seeing his supporters moan about corrupt politicians and the Clintons is comedy gold. Trump is the dirtiest dealing human being I've ever seen in the form of a businessman. His whole business M.O. is to rip people off. You explain the well-documented history of his deceits to his followers and they blithely go on about how he is a good businessman. He's nuts and so are they.

Because all demagogues and strongmen, their campaigns are not backed on real truth (though of course there are smatterings of truth - all good lies etc), but are faith based events. Basically this is secular religion oftentimes cynically wrapped in the vestigal cloth of religion.

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[CJackson]

Trump destroyed the witch. It was bootyful. This train still has plenty of gas left. Buckle up!

He and Pence can get in their convertible and drive off the cliff together.

Hillary up 11 per new NBC/WSJ poll. Billy Bush bus tape was the final straw. With more tapes, GOP could really lose the House. Imagine if that happens. Trump sweeps out the whole national party.

Maybe Hillary should reward him with a position, just to be fair. White House butler.

She should have the pentagon reverse engineer him and then install Trumps inside every ICBM in the nuclear silos for the ultimate payload.

Then we can hold the ultimate power and foreign states will know we won't blow them up, we'll just destabilize their regimes by Trumping them.

Losing power is more abhorrent to a dictator than being blown to smithereens. Trumping will be the warfare of the 21st Century.

[CJackson]

As they say, it's all over but the shouting. If anything, Trump is just driving up her likability -- which helps her not only in this race, but also in her ability to govern.

He also may cost them the House if there are more tapes. If so, maybe Hillary passes a single-payer system, or at least the public option. In that case the Dems should name the bill "Trumpcare," in honor of the man who made it possible.

On that note, Paul Ryan basically conceded that Hillary will win and that he's only going to concentrate on the House.

Speaker Paul Ryan told House Republicans on a conference call Monday morning that he’s done defending Donald Trump and will focus on maintaining his party’s increasingly imperiled House majority, according to sources on the call.

The message amounted to a concession by the highest-ranking elected Republican that his nominee for president can’t win — and lawmakers should save themselves and the Republican-controlled Congress to act as a check on Hillary Clinton.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/ryan-to-house-lawmakers-i-wont-defend-trump-229541#ixzz4MhmfYsYM

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[Oscirus]

About the Iran deal, just sayin'

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Vkings Walker deal was probably worse then both those

[CJackson]

We are all so screwed no matter who wins. Why don't enough people understand that? The world is in terrible hands...

No Bill.

Clinton wants to invest in clean energy, which would be the most important environmental initiative of our time.

Trump thinks global warming is a hoax invented by China.

Clinton would nominate judges who uphold your constitutional rights, not gut them.

Trump would seek to put in place ultra-rightist judges on the court. Contrary to the clotted reason of Trump supporters, the most extreme right wing judges have been the least observant of actual constitutional principles.

Clinton would seek to get large corporations to contribute their fair share of taxes, not evade taxation through expatriation.

Trump seeks to gut the corporate tax in the name of more trickle down economic witchcraft that decades have proven guts the middle class and further enriches the wealthy.

Clinton understands the budget and its constraints and the needs for funding programs.

Trump's economic plan has been deconstructed by thoughtful economists and they estimate Trump will explode the national debt and completely destroy the economy.

I could go on all day Bill, but no we are not doomed if Clinton wins. We are if Trump does though.

[duetta]

Trump destroyed the witch. It was bootyful. This train still has plenty of gas left. Buckle up!

The Kaiser is going down hard. Hillary by 11 in the latest polls.

[duetta]

Trump's economic plan has been deconstructed by thoughtful economics and they estimate Trump will explode the national debt and completely destroy the economy.

I could go on all day Bill, but no we are not doomed if Clinton wins. We are if Trump does though.

Drumpf has no plan and no clue. He pulled his economic plan out of the backside of one of the supply-side witch doctors. But the old voodoo has never worked and never will - least of all in the era of globalization. Money follows the direction of greatest return on investment. That's not going to be in the US for the foreseeable future.

We need a completely different economic approach, and I don't know that Hillary knows this. But I know Drumpf doesn't, and that he's too stupid to even begin to perceive that which he doesn't know.