2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread

TeamTragic · Post #301 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:44 am

ATTL wrote:Is Len better than Boban?

Yes. He is definitely better.

Post #302 » by **ATTL** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:44 am

I'd draft a center or big PF next summer to take over for Len.

Post #303 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:06 am

lilfishi22 wrote:What is frustrating is that he's still struggling to even wrestle minutes away from a 33-34 year old, 15yr NBA vet. I get that Chandler has a wealth of experience but if you compare them, the only thing Len does better is shoot FT's at a decent percentage. I'm not saying he should be coming out and playing like a 15 year NBA vet but I wanted him to be able to take minutes from Chandler and not just be his back up. At this stage, it might be possible to grab an up and coming youngster from the D-league and replace much of Len's contributions at a significantly lower cost and commitment.

I think Chandler was likely sold on being a starter when we signed him and I am fine with him starting until Len earns the job. Yes, it is frustrating he hasn't played better than Chandler, but I think it's important for now to start Chandler to have at another vet in the starting lineup with now two young guys who might struggle with defense. They might also want him to showcase a bit in case we are still really bad (which most expect) to maybe garner some trade value. In that case they could draft one and maybe sign a vet and not re-sign Len, let him go if he gets a RFA offer or try and do a sign and trade or just pay him the QO.

Beetlejuice · Post #304 » by **Beetlejuice** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:15 am

I would put it as "must listen" little interview with Booker. Some good info about last year issues too. Great little Q & A at the end .

http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-says-the-team-finally-moving-in-one-direction-100516

This was entertaining also.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/10/10/13236414/locked-on-suns-monday-bookers-eruption-knights-effort-and-chriss-as

Beetlejuice · Post #305 » by **Beetlejuice** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:52 am

Also some of you evil souls will like this.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/goran-dragic-admits-this-miami-heat-roster-is-not-what-he-signed-up-for-101016

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #306 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:40 am

I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

carey · Post #307 » by **carey** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:46 am

Beetlejuice wrote:Also some of you evil souls will like this.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/goran-dragic-admits-this-miami-heat-roster-is-not-what-he-signed-up-for-101016

Ahhh. The sweet, sweet Dragic schadenfreude. Thank you so much.

carey · Post #308 » by **carey** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:57 am

cosmofizzo wrote:I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

Strangely enough I think the Warriors would be a landing spot for him as a Bogut replacement. I think they will miss him more than people think (but with Durant they will still blow the doors off of teams.) I think the Blazers could use him as Leonard seems to be more of a perimeter player these days. Boston next to Al Horford could work. Possibly Houston as they have just Capela and Nene at C, neither of which are really a Center. What about the Cavs? I don't think there's much money available there but their only listed C right now is T.T. and he's not a Center either. So I think there are a few teams that make sense, but certainly no one with the Money the Suns have and an actual need for a C.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #309 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:56 pm

carey wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

Strangely enough I think the Warriors would be a landing spot for him as a Bogut replacement. I think they will miss him more than people think (but with Durant they will still blow the doors off of teams.) I think the Blazers could use him as Leonard seems to be more of a perimeter player these days. Boston next to Al Horford could work. Possibly Houston as they have just Capela and Nene at C, neither of which are really a Center. What about the Cavs? I don't think there's much money available there but their only listed C right now is T.T. and he's not a Center either. So I think there are a few teams that make sense, but certainly no one with the Money the Suns have and an actual need for a C.

I thought about some of those options, but if those teams want him, they'll have to trade for him. GSW, POR, CLE won't have the $$$ next summer. I suspect Houston, Boston and Dallas will chase big names (as they always do). I could see Charlotte having interest, but they'll have their own young, disappointing center to take care of. I could see Indiana and San Antonio being interested, but they have greater needs, and Alex would probably be a backup on either squad. But so many teams already have their BWS. Alex's market looks thin to me, which could be great for us. I wouldn't have any issue giving Alex $50 over 5, even if I knew he was never getting much better than he currently is. And the truth is, for a BWS, he's damn good. I'd take him over Mozgov, Koufus, Asik, either Zeller, any Plumlee, Aldrich, Leonard, Withey, and Gortat.

Alex's biggest issue is not being able to make the short shot - the close hook, the push shot. He has no touch around the rim. I don't see him improving in that regard. But that's okay - he's still a legit paint protector, and there just aren't that many players as big and long in the league. Give me $50 over 5, and that's a solid contract.

Post #310 » by **ATTL** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:15 pm

Beetlejuice wrote:Also some of you evil souls will like this.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/goran-dragic-admits-this-miami-heat-roster-is-not-what-he-signed-up-for-101016

The heat are a family and they are loyal to their players.

carey · Post #311 » by **carey** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:20 pm

cosmofizzo wrote: Alex's market looks thin to me, which could be great for us. I wouldn't have any issue giving Alex $50 over 5, even if I knew he was never getting much better than he currently is. And the truth is, for a BWS, he's damn good. I'd take him over Mozgov, Koufus, Asik, either Zeller, any Plumlee, Aldrich, Leonard, Withey, and Gortat.

One small observation. There was no market for Bledsoe and we saw what happened there.

Post #312 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:34 pm

Check out preseason PPG leaders. You'll be surprised who is first. http://stats.nba.com/

jcsunsfan · Post #313 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:20 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

I would prefer to trade Chandler at the deadline. I like Chandler, but now might be the time to get something for him. He would be a great fit for the Warriors.

gaspar · Post #314 » by **gaspar** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:26 pm

Read on Twitter

It looks like the Suns are considering keeping Derrick Jones instead of Jenkins for the season. Jones has a 4-year non-guaranteed contract with the Suns ($42.5k guaranteed this season).

kennydorglas · Post #315 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:29 pm

Beetlejuice wrote:Also some of you evil souls will like this.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/goran-dragic-admits-this-miami-heat-roster-is-not-what-he-signed-up-for-101016

hihihihihi
Man up, Dragic

Post #316 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:37 pm

gaspar wrote:

Read on Twitter

It looks like the Suns are considering keeping Derrick Jones instead of Jenkins for the season. Jones has a 4-year non-guaranteed contract with the Suns ($42.5k guaranteed this season).

It might make sense due to the fact we are guard heavy, though I don't know enough about him and don't mind Jenkins.

Does anyone know why he came out after one year in college? These numbers are hardly eye popping.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-jonesjr-1.html

Was he a top recruit out of HS I don't remember or something?

gaspar · Post #317 » by **gaspar** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:38 pm

Doug and Wolf with Earl Watson. It sounds like Chriss is likely to get meaningful minutes out of the gate.

gaspar · Post #318 » by **gaspar** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:It might make sense due to the fact we are guard heavy, though I don't know enough about him and don't mind Jenkins.

Does anyone know why he came out after one year in college? These numbers are hardly eye popping.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-jonesjr-1.html

Was he a top recruit out of HS I don't remember or something?

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/14886154/unlv-derrick-jones-shocked-loss-eligibility

BTW, Jones would be our 4th teenager on the roster. Super-young 76ers have 0 of them :lol:

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #319 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:47 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

I would prefer to trade Chandler at the deadline. I like Chandler, but now might be the time to get something for him. He would be a great fit for the Warriors.

IDK. Obviously, the Warriors don't have the contracts to move for Chandler, and Pachulia's underrated. Len's salary makes him easier to deal.

I prefer Len to Chandler. Keeping Chandler over Len would be more palatable if there were some solid C prospects in next year's draft, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

If we could keep Len on a reasonable deal, we might be able to hang onto both for a while. I could see both the Suns and Tyson being happy with a divorce. But in terms of trade partners, I think our options are very few.

jcsunsfan · Post #320 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:I was thinking, if we wanted to trade Len at the deadline, because we decided to stick with Chandler for the next couple years - who would be interested? Similarly, if we simply wait til this summer for RFA - who would be interested (and capable of making an offer)? There simply aren't that many teams who would appear to be in the market for a guy like Alex. Given that, we might be able to sign him at a bargain. No matter what you think of Len, if we can retain him for under $10 mil/yr, that's a bargain.

I would prefer to trade Chandler at the deadline. I like Chandler, but now might be the time to get something for him. He would be a great fit for the Warriors.

IDK. Obviously, the Warriors don't have the contracts to move for Chandler, and Pachulia's underrated. Len's salary makes him easier to deal.

I prefer Len to Chandler. Keeping Chandler over Len would be more palatable if there were some solid C prospects in next year's draft, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

If we could keep Len on a reasonable deal, we might be able to hang onto both for a while. I could see both the Suns and Tyson being happy with a divorce. But in terms of trade partners, I think our options are very few.

Maybe we should try to extend Len now--for cheap. If he doesn't take a sub $10 mil a year deal, then we will have to sign him for cheap later. The team would not be motivated to give him big minutes now then. A 2 year deal worth 18-20 million would be about right. It would give us a little longer to look at him and give him a little longer to improve.