Can Trump wiggle out of this one?

[CJackson]

I found the Kimmel video referenced in the article above

Watch on YouTube

[K_ick_God]

Anybody hear the pretty smart speculation that Marla Maples probably released his tax return to the Times?

[aj49689]

THIS IS A MUST READ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/09/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You

Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.

This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain’t none of them good.

Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.

Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.

2. You have no class.

Seriously. You don’t. I’m sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don’t know how to sugar-coat it.

It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
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No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.

And please. Don't tell me that you didn’t know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.

3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.

Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?

I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me—but Trump?

You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.

4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.

Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like “@WhiteGenocideTM,” and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.

Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don’t share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.

5. You have an issue with women.

Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O’Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn’t think twice about calling women “pigs” or “dogs” is not someone I want to deal with.

I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don’t give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn’t trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can’t very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a “D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can’t even meet that, along with this person’s supporters.

Update: If you have a boy or a girl, what kind of message are you sending them by making excuses for a man who brags about sexually assaulting women!

6. You aren't really Christian.

Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it’s pretty clear on this. (Or if you can’t be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God’s forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:

I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.

And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.

For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn’t follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn’t like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump’s supporters.

That’s the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle—nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.

Now, I will always be nice, but I won’t respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.

And good day, sir.

I believe this is a big assumption, perception of events are never the same for every person. Not to mention, not every person in support of would face the same beliefs or reasons in common. Its easy to profile people and still yet, isn't going to tell you the entire truth behind who we all are. Some don't care about certain unlikable traits while they focus on the things they don't like about the other candidate. For instance, the right to bare arms or the open borders seem to be a few among the many. That's not to say that some wouldn't fit under this profiling agenda someone created based on their own perception. Bad people are never subject to one sided affairs but part of every group including Hillary. This is just a type of conclusion by a limited perspective that only knows how to be unfair with their own opinion or beliefs.

[CJackson]

Oh this one is better though

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Watching this and seeing them saying him punching a woman or being a pedophile I realized how few Americans know jack when there is available information out there that a deposition was made identifying trump as raping a 13 year old.

Here is her testimony:

I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending.

The parties were held at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. Each of the parties had other minor females and a number of guests of Mr. Epstein, including Defendant Donald Trump at four of the parties I attended. I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew I was 13 years old.

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and fnial sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted, Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed.

That came from this:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit

What is really bizarre about Trump is both him and Clinton are associated with Epstein. That he keeps going after Bill for cheating when Trump is a cheater but the one with failed marriages is really, really hard to understand. Trump is nuts of course, that's why

[CJackson]

THIS IS A MUST READ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/09/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You

Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.

This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain’t none of them good.

Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.

Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.

2. You have no class.

Seriously. You don’t. I’m sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don’t know how to sugar-coat it.

It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
t.jpg

No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.

And please. Don't tell me that you didn’t know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.

3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.

Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?

I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me—but Trump?

You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.

4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.

Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like “@WhiteGenocideTM,” and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.

Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don’t share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.

5. You have an issue with women.

Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O’Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn’t think twice about calling women “pigs” or “dogs” is not someone I want to deal with.

I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don’t give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn’t trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can’t very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a “D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can’t even meet that, along with this person’s supporters.

Update: If you have a boy or a girl, what kind of message are you sending them by making excuses for a man who brags about sexually assaulting women!

6. You aren't really Christian.

Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it’s pretty clear on this. (Or if you can’t be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God’s forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:

I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.

And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.

For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn’t follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn’t like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump’s supporters.

That’s the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle—nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.

Now, I will always be nice, but I won’t respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.

And good day, sir.

I believe this is a big assumption, perception of events are never the same for every person. Not to mention, not every person in support of would face the same beliefs or reasons in common. Its easy to profile people and still yet, isn't going to tell you the entire truth behind who we all are. Some don't care about certain unlikable traits while they focus on the things they don't like about the other candidate. For instance, the right to bare arms or the open borders seem to be a few among the many. That's not to say that some wouldn't fit under this profiling agenda someone created based on their own perception. Bad people are never subject to one sided affairs but part of every group including Hillary. This is just a type of conclusion by a limited perspective that only knows how to be unfair with their own opinion or beliefs.

So how do you feel about Trump raping a 13 year old?

[aj49689]

THIS IS A MUST READ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/09/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You

Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.

This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain’t none of them good.

Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.

Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.

2. You have no class.

Seriously. You don’t. I’m sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don’t know how to sugar-coat it.

It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
t.jpg

No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.

And please. Don't tell me that you didn’t know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.

3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.

Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?

I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me—but Trump?

You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.

4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.

Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like “@WhiteGenocideTM,” and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.

Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don’t share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.

5. You have an issue with women.

Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O’Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn’t think twice about calling women “pigs” or “dogs” is not someone I want to deal with.

I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don’t give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn’t trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can’t very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a “D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can’t even meet that, along with this person’s supporters.

Update: If you have a boy or a girl, what kind of message are you sending them by making excuses for a man who brags about sexually assaulting women!

6. You aren't really Christian.

Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it’s pretty clear on this. (Or if you can’t be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God’s forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:

I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.

And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.

For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn’t follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn’t like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump’s supporters.

That’s the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle—nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.

Now, I will always be nice, but I won’t respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.

And good day, sir.

I believe this is a big assumption, perception of events are never the same for every person. Not to mention, not every person in support of would face the same beliefs or reasons in common. Its easy to profile people and still yet, isn't going to tell you the entire truth behind who we all are. Some don't care about certain unlikable traits while they focus on the things they don't like about the other candidate. For instance, the right to bare arms or the open borders seem to be a few among the many. That's not to say that some wouldn't fit under this profiling agenda someone created based on their own perception. Bad people are never subject to one sided affairs but part of every group including Hillary. This is just a type of conclusion by a limited perspective that only knows how to be unfair with their own opinion or beliefs.

So how do you feel about Trump raping a 13 year old?

To be honest, I don't know if its true so I'm not sure how to feel unless it was proven otherwise. I just watched a few videos from both sides and its nothing new too me. On the other hand, I can't say it isn't true either because I don't have that data. I don't plan on voting this year because I'm not interested in choosing either side. If Trump did rape a 13 year old girl, then obviously he isn't a great guy. If we assume that much then Bill Clinton was never a good guy either, but he was still a president. The ying to the yang, duality creates each force that oppose each other.

[Nazrmohamed]

Just out. Proof that Trump lied about his income. Turns out he took losses on his Scottish golf courses but was claiming all of the gross revenues as his earnings. The reason this is known now because over there he has to file publicly available records of those businesses and that info has now been released. What a lying sack of garbage this guy is

I'm still trying to figure out where this implied "honest politician" crap started.

They're all liars with agendas. From Trump's vicious behavioral pattern and snake-like way to dance around talks about his earnings and taxes to Hillary and her administration's cold and calculated moves that are only exposed because of someone bought access tohacked an email.

The only people I see making unilateral claims of integrity are Trump supporters. The Clintons as a political family have had their fair share of troubles and some of it is definitely due to either poor judgment or self-dealing.

Nobody I see who is voting for Clinton says she is pure and Trump is not.

But Trump supporters are only able to point fingers at Clinton while not dealing with Trump's own pathetic nature and law breaking ways.

One of the reasons Trump was going overboard during the last debate saying he'll put her in jail is because he knows after the election his goose is cooked as there are numerous democrats who have vowed to open up investigations into Trump's bribery in Palm Beach country and breaking the law by doing business illegally with Cuba.

His legal troubles are about to grow as hers is receding. That's the reality of it and why he is running scared now.

In general, the more vocal types that support Trump often have a pathological case of misogyny. They hate her because she is a tough woman they can't bully around. They'd love to hang out in the locker room with Trump talking smack.

In general, the notion of honest vs. dishonest is BS in this election. But since literally three quarters of the statements out of Trump's mouth have been fact checked as complete lies, I don't think there is any doubt about him being vastly more dishonest than her.

If Trump is convicted next year of raping that 13 year old girl how will these delusional lemmings sleep at night saying he is honest?

I understand Clinton as a person in some ways and that does not excuse her flaws, but I know her biography and why she has a penchant for secrecy. She's been abused by males in power for a long time and she probably became just as mean and wicked as they were to her. She invested in her husband's career and sacrificed for him and he will stick with her so she gets her turn.

These are not normal people. They are a political family interested in power. I grew up knowing people like this. I'm not like them, but I sat at the dinner table with them. They do stand on the right side of the issues far more often than the right wingers so they always were a mixed bag in terms of my supporting people like the Clintons, but they are presently the far better option. I don't think she is necessarily a particularly nice person in private, but I could also sit down and have a real conversation with her and have some areas of commonality.

Trump is just a gross pig with no redeeming qualities of any kind. And that people would invest their trust in this guy who is documented as doing only what is good for himself is amazing, but people are capable of incredible self-delusion. At least the Clintons are actually interested in policy and building legacies. That Trump is in line to be a president is a cosmic joke. The guy has no interest in public service whatsoever. Trump only serves Trump.

So Clinton is a Lannister and Trump is a Bolton?

[CJackson]

To be honest, I don't know if its true so I'm not sure how to feel unless it was proven otherwise. I just watched a few videos from both sides and its nothing new too me. On the other hand, I can't say it isn't true either because I don't have that data. I don't plan on voting this year because I'm not interested in choosing either side. If Trump did rape a 13 year old girl, then obviously he isn't a great guy. If we assume that much then Bill Clinton was never a good guy either, but he was still a president. The ying to the yang, duality creates each force that oppose each other.

They are all morally abject human beings. Donald Trump is a pedophile. Bill Clinton is a pedophile. Hillary is an enabler, probably an abuser and at the very least turned her head the other way while her husband satisfied his lusts.

Trump & Bill are both completely disgusting.

Nothing is more common than this kind of behavior at the upper levels of wealth and power.

I have nothing to recommend about any of these people.

But you have posted goofy thumbs up for pro-trump posts and now you say you're not voting. OK dude!

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Trump supporters who can't deal with how awful Trump is. If you think Bill or Hillary are bad and you don't understand how evil Trump is then they have blinders on.

Trump has been accused by a large number of women of rape. Trump now seems to have more accounts of sexual predation than Bill and that is really saying something.

So fair play is fair play. I'm sick of the liars who live on a one-way street. These are all deeply morally compromised people.

The primary difference is Clinton does not campaign on morally depraved policies and does not court the Nazis of America while Trump does.

So they all suck, but the difference in how they would actually govern is enormous.

Nobody can win the morality argument, yet these Trump trolls keep trying to win on that score and they are damn stupid for trying.

So that's why I asked you, because I have seen little evidence of the ability to think straight from any Trump fanatic. Not one

[CJackson]

So Clinton is a Lannister and Trump is a Bolton?

That's actually pretty good

[K_ick_God]

This race is bad for everyone. Just a few more weeks of this idiocy.

[CJackson]

This race is bad for everyone. Just a few more weeks of this idiocy.

I'm holding you to that

[aj49689]

To be honest, I don't know if its true so I'm not sure how to feel unless it was proven otherwise. I just watched a few videos from both sides and its nothing new too me. On the other hand, I can't say it isn't true either because I don't have that data. I don't plan on voting this year because I'm not interested in choosing either side. If Trump did rape a 13 year old girl, then obviously he isn't a great guy. If we assume that much then Bill Clinton was never a good guy either, but he was still a president. The ying to the yang, duality creates each force that oppose each other.

They are all morally abject human beings. Donald Trump is a pedophile. Bill Clinton is a pedophile. Hillary is an enabler, probably an abuser and at the very least turned her head the other way while her husband satisfied his lusts.

Trump & Bill are both completely disgusting.

Nothing is more common than this kind of behavior at the upper levels of wealth and power.

I have nothing to recommend about any of these people.

But you have posted goofy thumbs up for pro-trump posts and now you say you're not voting. OK dude!

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Trump supporters who can't deal with how awful Trump is. If you think Bill or Hillary are bad and you don't understand how evil Trump is then they have blinders on.

Trump has been accused by a large number of women of rape. Trump now seems to have more accounts of sexual predation than Bill and that is really saying something.

So fair play is fair play. I'm sick of the liars who live on a one-way street. These are all deeply morally compromised people.

The primary difference is Clinton does not campaign on morally depraved policies and does not court the Nazis of America while Trump does.

So they all suck, but the difference in how they would actually govern is enormous.

Nobody can win the morality argument, yet these Trump trolls keep trying to win on that score and they are damn stupid for trying.

So that's why I asked you, because I have seen little evidence of the ability to think straight from any Trump fanatic. Not one

No point to vote, you'll see why. In any case, I feel its been one sided here and people get attacked and profiled. Its kinda like a civil war among knicks forum posters. I do believe Hillary is part of an agenda that is already in place. Either way, I think both sides would have their own set of problems. I think about the country more then the finger pointing that will likely get worse as time goes on. I don't think all trump supporters are bad nor Hillary supports either. The idea is that if you support either sides, you could have problems of your own. Its not subject to one side and that is why I liked some of those videos that present some hidden facts that Hillary is dirty. I also notice incessant until proven guilty isn't really a value here. In any case, this is America and I hope it remains free for all of us.

[CJackson]

To be honest, I don't know if its true so I'm not sure how to feel unless it was proven otherwise. I just watched a few videos from both sides and its nothing new too me. On the other hand, I can't say it isn't true either because I don't have that data. I don't plan on voting this year because I'm not interested in choosing either side. If Trump did rape a 13 year old girl, then obviously he isn't a great guy. If we assume that much then Bill Clinton was never a good guy either, but he was still a president. The ying to the yang, duality creates each force that oppose each other.

They are all morally abject human beings. Donald Trump is a pedophile. Bill Clinton is a pedophile. Hillary is an enabler, probably an abuser and at the very least turned her head the other way while her husband satisfied his lusts.

Trump & Bill are both completely disgusting.

Nothing is more common than this kind of behavior at the upper levels of wealth and power.

I have nothing to recommend about any of these people.

But you have posted goofy thumbs up for pro-trump posts and now you say you're not voting. OK dude!

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Trump supporters who can't deal with how awful Trump is. If you think Bill or Hillary are bad and you don't understand how evil Trump is then they have blinders on.

Trump has been accused by a large number of women of rape. Trump now seems to have more accounts of sexual predation than Bill and that is really saying something.

So fair play is fair play. I'm sick of the liars who live on a one-way street. These are all deeply morally compromised people.

The primary difference is Clinton does not campaign on morally depraved policies and does not court the Nazis of America while Trump does.

So they all suck, but the difference in how they would actually govern is enormous.

Nobody can win the morality argument, yet these Trump trolls keep trying to win on that score and they are damn stupid for trying.

So that's why I asked you, because I have seen little evidence of the ability to think straight from any Trump fanatic. Not one

No point to vote, you'll see why. In any case, I feel its been one sided here and people get attacked and profiled. Its kinda like a civil war among knicks forum posters. I do believe Hillary is part of an agenda that is already in place. Either way, I think both sides would have their own set of problems. I think about the country more then the finger pointing that will likely get worse as time goes on. I don't think all trump supporters are bad nor Hillary supports either. The idea is that if you support either sides, you could have problems of your own. Its not subject to one side and that is why I liked some of those videos that present some hidden facts that Hillary is dirty. I also notice incessant until proven guilty isn't really a value here. In any case, this is America and I hope it remains free for all of us.

No point to vote you say. Right. The Supreme Court doesn't matter. It's all carrot soup to you. Nothing for us to discuss then

[aj49689]

They are all morally abject human beings. Donald Trump is a pedophile. Bill Clinton is a pedophile. Hillary is an enabler, probably an abuser and at the very least turned her head the other way while her husband satisfied his lusts.

Trump & Bill are both completely disgusting.

Nothing is more common than this kind of behavior at the upper levels of wealth and power.

I have nothing to recommend about any of these people.

But you have posted goofy thumbs up for pro-trump posts and now you say you're not voting. OK dude!

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Trump supporters who can't deal with how awful Trump is. If you think Bill or Hillary are bad and you don't understand how evil Trump is then they have blinders on.

Trump has been accused by a large number of women of rape. Trump now seems to have more accounts of sexual predation than Bill and that is really saying something.

So fair play is fair play. I'm sick of the liars who live on a one-way street. These are all deeply morally compromised people.

The primary difference is Clinton does not campaign on morally depraved policies and does not court the Nazis of America while Trump does.

So they all suck, but the difference in how they would actually govern is enormous.

Nobody can win the morality argument, yet these Trump trolls keep trying to win on that score and they are damn stupid for trying.

So that's why I asked you, because I have seen little evidence of the ability to think straight from any Trump fanatic. Not one

No point to vote, you'll see why. In any case, I feel its been one sided here and people get attacked and profiled. Its kinda like a civil war among knicks forum posters. I do believe Hillary is part of an agenda that is already in place. Either way, I think both sides would have their own set of problems. I think about the country more then the finger pointing that will likely get worse as time goes on. I don't think all trump supporters are bad nor Hillary supports either. The idea is that if you support either sides, you could have problems of your own. Its not subject to one side and that is why I liked some of those videos that present some hidden facts that Hillary is dirty. I also notice incessant until proven guilty isn't really a value here. In any case, this is America and I hope it remains free for all of us.

No point to vote you say. Right. The Supreme Court doesn't matter. It's all carrot soup to you. Nothing for us to discuss then

The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.

[CJackson]

No point to vote, you'll see why. In any case, I feel its been one sided here and people get attacked and profiled. Its kinda like a civil war among knicks forum posters. I do believe Hillary is part of an agenda that is already in place. Either way, I think both sides would have their own set of problems. I think about the country more then the finger pointing that will likely get worse as time goes on. I don't think all trump supporters are bad nor Hillary supports either. The idea is that if you support either sides, you could have problems of your own. Its not subject to one side and that is why I liked some of those videos that present some hidden facts that Hillary is dirty. I also notice incessant until proven guilty isn't really a value here. In any case, this is America and I hope it remains free for all of us.

No point to vote you say. Right. The Supreme Court doesn't matter. It's all carrot soup to you. Nothing for us to discuss then

The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.

Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).

[aj49689]

No point to vote you say. Right. The Supreme Court doesn't matter. It's all carrot soup to you. Nothing for us to discuss then

The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.

Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).

Take a breath and settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.

[CJackson]

The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.

Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).

Take a breath a settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.

You're an idiot. I can't read you any more without throwing up. Bye

[aj49689]

Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).

Take a breath a settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.

You're an idiot. I can't read you any more without throwing up. Bye

You my friend, a perfect example of what you hate the most. If everyone believes in one lie out side of reality, would that make them out of touch with it? Would it make every one crazy or just an idiot? Your emotions are but of the flesh and only understand what you feed them. Learn to control your emotions and then realize what a waste of time it is to call people names out of anger. Consciousness is awareness, Awareness can only see down on lower consciousness. Don't bother trying to see a higher consciousness when your not able to achieve that type of awareness. Perception's that are limited by ones experience don't change anything but consciousness.

[mrcalzone]

Of course this hasn't been posted yet :

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Say it with me. Disgusting...... filthy......V-O-T-E-R F-R-A-U-D. Busing democrats around to vote multiple times because it's "racist" to ask for voter IDs. Got to love it. Beautiful and pristine corruption. Such elegance and stench. Amazing what people will say to a pretty girl after a few drinks. And this doesnt even cover all the dead people and illegals democrats register. Ha.

This is just 1 way they stole the primaries from Bernie, and are going to attempt to do the same with Trump. Not requiring any ID to vote is the the dumbest bullsh*t I've ever heard, but libbies love it for obvious reasons (votes) and just pretend the reason is racism (which they use for everything and isn't working anymore).

This is the first of a few videos to come from this O'Keefe guy btw, supposedly culminating in a nuke against Hillary next week! It's going to get very ugly on both sides in the next month boys.

Then there's Wikileaks. More sweet sweet Wikileaks!

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You mean the same people funding at least 20% of Hillarys campaign also fund ISIS? NO WAY!!!

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Bill Cosby is spinning in his rape cave grave for how Bill Cliton gets a pass.

Oh and never forget Bernie's little time as a failed porn writer!

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E-Mail showing collusion between Huffington Post and Clinton Campaign (surprise surprise)
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5344

Have a good night fellas.

Thank you.

[E-Balla]

Just out. Proof that Trump lied about his income. Turns out he took losses on his Scottish golf courses but was claiming all of the gross revenues as his earnings. The reason this is known now because over there he has to file publicly available records of those businesses and that info has now been released. What a lying sack of garbage this guy is

I'm still trying to figure out where this implied "honest politician" crap started.

They're all liars with agendas. From Trump's vicious behavioral pattern and snake-like way to dance around talks about his earnings and taxes to Hillary and her administration's cold and calculated moves that are only exposed because of someone bought access tohacked an email.

It started with Bernie and Trump. Trump was saying he's not a politician so he can't be corrupt even though he's a corrupt businessman with strong ties to Russia and Bernie was saying he's not corrupt like the other politicians despite having a voting record completely opposite of what he said. No one called either on it because they weren't seen as threats until they became one and now we have people mad their honest politician didn't win even though honest politician is an oxymoron.