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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#341 » by NavLDO » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:00 am



Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy... :lol:

So, let me just share my opinion on Dragic and how he came to leave the Suns. So.... :lol: ...ok, couldn't keep a straight face in typing that last sentence, right BW and Frank ?!?!?
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#342 » by NavLDO » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:12 am

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It looks like the Suns are considering keeping Derrick Jones instead of Jenkins for the season. Jones has a 4-year non-guaranteed contract with the Suns ($42.5k guaranteed this season).


It might make sense due to the fact we are guard heavy, though I don't know enough about him and don't mind Jenkins.

Does anyone know why he came out after one year in college? These numbers are hardly eye popping.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-jonesjr-1.html

Was he a top recruit out of HS I don't remember or something?


Not that I saw...BUT, apparently he's extremely athletically gifted, per Draft Express:

Jones is a phenomenal athlete who has the body of someone who can develop into a player who certainly looks the part of a NBA wing. He was measured at 6'6” with a 6'11” wingspan in 2014 and possesses elite-level quickness, leaping ability and explosiveness. Few players can stay in front of him when he gets a head of steam, and he flies around the court looking to make plays. In order to compete against professional players on a nightly basis, he will quickly need to fill out his lanky frame, which is currently listed at 185 pounds.

He uses his incredible athletic gifts to make an impact in the open court, with transition opportunities making up over 20% of his possessions according to Synergy Sports Technology. He was a force on the break by using his quickness to leak out or fill lanes to get to the rim for a dunk. He isn't yet comfortable handling the ball in transition but instead prefers to give the ball up to a guard and look for a lob pass back. His physical tools are on full display in transition, as he can beat the defense down the floor and sky for highlight reel caliber alley-oops, including corralling passes that look like sure-fire turnovers.


And he measured:

6'7.25" with 7' Wingspan and 8'8.5" Standing Reach--Decent size for a combo 2/3.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#343 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:16 am

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It looks like the Suns are considering keeping Derrick Jones instead of Jenkins for the season. Jones has a 4-year non-guaranteed contract with the Suns ($42.5k guaranteed this season).


It might make sense due to the fact we are guard heavy, though I don't know enough about him and don't mind Jenkins.

Does anyone know why he came out after one year in college? These numbers are hardly eye popping.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/derrick-jonesjr-1.html

Was he a top recruit out of HS I don't remember or something?


Not that I saw...BUT, apparently he's extremely athletically gifted, per Draft Express:

Jones is a phenomenal athlete who has the body of someone who can develop into a player who certainly looks the part of a NBA wing. He was measured at 6'6” with a 6'11” wingspan in 2014 and possesses elite-level quickness, leaping ability and explosiveness. Few players can stay in front of him when he gets a head of steam, and he flies around the court looking to make plays. In order to compete against professional players on a nightly basis, he will quickly need to fill out his lanky frame, which is currently listed at 185 pounds.

He uses his incredible athletic gifts to make an impact in the open court, with transition opportunities making up over 20% of his possessions according to Synergy Sports Technology. He was a force on the break by using his quickness to leak out or fill lanes to get to the rim for a dunk. He isn't yet comfortable handling the ball in transition but instead prefers to give the ball up to a guard and look for a lob pass back. His physical tools are on full display in transition, as he can beat the defense down the floor and sky for highlight reel caliber alley-oops, including corralling passes that look like sure-fire turnovers.


And he measured:

6'7.25" with 7' Wingspan and 8'8.5" Standing Reach--Decent size for a combo 2/3.


Damn, that's a long wingspan.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#344 » by LV-Suns » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:43 am


He might be even more of freak athlete than Chriss
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#345 » by ATTL » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:50 am

Check some videos of him dunking, dude can definitely jump.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#346 » by SideSwipe » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:21 am

ATTL wrote:Check some videos of him dunking, dude can definitely jump.


Dunks and post moves. How is his defense, ball handling and shot? Anyone scouted him much? That dunking might just be worth keeping.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#347 » by Zelaznyrules » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:45 am

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ATTL wrote:Check some videos of him dunking, dude can definitely jump.


Dunks and post moves. How is his defense, ball handling and shot? Anyone scouted him much? That dunking might just be worth keeping.


I watched UNLV 3 times this past season against UA, ASU and San Jose State but I was mostly focusing on Zimmerman and Macaw. Derrick didn't really catch my interest until the San Jose game where he went crazy. He rebounded every thing in sight and lived at the free throw line. His shot, his handles and his defense all need a lot of work and he needs to get stronger but he's an intriguing prospect and a good risk IMO. And it's not just dunking that makes him worth a look, he brings great energy to the floor.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#348 » by Son of Ra » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:54 am

You guys are on crack thinking Len will not get more than 10/year or that that seems fair in today's market imho. Not saying that he is that good (been super high on him at first but also been saying for a season or two that he'll probably end up being a solid backup for us), but with Plumlee making 12.5, Mahinmi 16, Mozgov 16, there's no way he'll have to settle for so little.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#349 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:37 am

Son of Ra wrote:You guys are on crack thinking Len will not get more than 10/year or that that seems fair in today's market imho. Not saying that he is that good (been super high on him at first but also been saying for a season or two that he'll probably end up being a solid backup for us), but with Plumlee making 12.5, Mahinmi 16, Mozgov 16, there's no way he'll have to settle for so little.


While there have also been some bargain deals for center - Ezeli and Aldrich, for instance - you're right, it's hard to imagine him making less than Miles Plumlee.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#350 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:38 pm

I don't recall anyone saying Len should get less than 10. Think I might have seen someone say they wouldn't pay him more than 8 once, but that's about it.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#351 » by Zelaznyrules » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:21 pm

Son of Ra wrote:You guys are on crack thinking Len will not get more than 10/year or that that seems fair in today's market imho. Not saying that he is that good (been super high on him at first but also been saying for a season or two that he'll probably end up being a solid backup for us), but with Plumlee making 12.5, Mahinmi 16, Mozgov 16, there's no way he'll have to settle for so little.


I think he and his agent are definitely expecting mid teens and upward. But that doesn't mean he's playing like he's worth that kind of money. Given this market though I can't see us really wanting a big man that wasn't worth at least Mahinmi money. All of this to say, we haven't signed him for a reason, he's yet to show us he's worth that kind of money.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#352 » by NavLDO » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:55 pm

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Son of Ra wrote:You guys are on crack thinking Len will not get more than 10/year or that that seems fair in today's market imho. Not saying that he is that good (been super high on him at first but also been saying for a season or two that he'll probably end up being a solid backup for us), but with Plumlee making 12.5, Mahinmi 16, Mozgov 16, there's no way he'll have to settle for so little.


I think he and his agent are definitely expecting mid teens and upward. But that doesn't mean he's playing like he's worth that kind of money. Given this market though I can't see us really wanting a big man that wasn't worth at least Mahinmi money. All of this to say, we haven't signed him for a reason, he's yet to show us he's worth that kind of money.


The issue with Len also depends upon how Chandler and/or Williams, (or Bender maybe?) play at the position early on this season. I'm not overly concerned about Williams being only 6'9"-ish, as he has a 7'2" Wingspan to cover for a lot of Centers in this league, and if we go into a game with a 'stud' Center that he cannot defend well against, he have Chandler who can, and has, matched up against these types.

I've been an avid Len supporter, and still believe he'll breakout this season, even if he takes a month to find his groove, I'm ok with that. But if he doesn't, I think we can win with Chandler/Williams, and maybe some times, Bender, playing the 5. Then, either at the Trade Deadline, or in-between seasons, we address the 'young' enter problem via a trade or the Draft; I certainly do not want to overpay Len just because it's convenient that he's already here.

And while his agent and he may expect mid-to-upper teens, if his play doesn't warrant it, I doubt he gets that amount from us. We have better, younger players we will need to take care of in the coming 2-3 years.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#353 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:07 pm

The question will simply become, does our team play better when Len is on the court? If the answer isn't a clear yes, it's tough to want to keep him for a fairly sizable contract. If we are playing well, and his impact is neutral, meaning that losing him and replacing with a replacement player because our depth would provide us with enough bodies to give what he gave if we go against another big lineup, then you give him fair value. If we play just as good with Williams in there, even against good bigs, then no reason to keep him.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#354 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:08 pm

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He might be even more of freak athlete than Chriss


Did he call him "Basketball Jones"? That is funny. Its only us old guys that really smile at that.
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Post#355 » by gaspar » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:14 pm

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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#356 » by Qwigglez » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:40 pm

So Jenkins is definitely getting cut. I'm surprised we haven't traded Archie yet.
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Post#357 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:48 pm

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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#358 » by King4Day » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:08 pm

Any chance we could swing a deal involving Len/Knight for Noel? I'm sure more pieces would need to be added but maybe they'd consider it?
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#359 » by King4Day » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:09 pm

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I haven't followed him. How has he looked? Do you see us keeping him?
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#360 » by NTB » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:14 pm

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/10/12/phoenix-suns-explore-3-guard-look-wings-fit/91975274/

“They can stay big if they want to,” Watson said of opponents. “Who’s going to guard T.J.? That’s the main thing.

“His height, his intangibles and the fact that he needs an opportunity to flourish. That’s a perfect opportunity for him to flourish in that lineup.”


“It spreads the floor,” said Warren, who scored on three consecutive trips in his first power forward stint. “I don’t think most fours can guard me, getting that space out there and creating and having Devin and B-Knight, two shooters out there, to have the space to operate. I can pick my spots and get crafty in there and get some offensive boards so it works out.

“I don’t think there’s any four (power forward) that can run with me.”


“It’s an adjustment but as long as we play hard, defend it and break, it’s a great matchup,” Bledsoe said. “I like it.

“T.J.’s size is much different than a regular big man but that’s what people are going to now – a small 'four' man that can shoot it. T.J. can shoot and he can rebound more than people think.”


“The game is so fluid and it changes,” Watson said. “You have to change with the game. I’ve never been a big believer that you stay locked in to certain things. I think you feel it out.”


Shoot it, Bender

Suns rookie Dragan Bender made one of his 10 3-point shot attempts in his first three preseason games but that matters less to Watson than seeing Bender shoot it more.

The Suns believe in Bender’s long-range ability to the point that Watson is asking Bender to attempt six 3-point shots per game. He had four and five in Wednesday’s and Friday’s games, respectively, making his first one Friday at Portland.

Watson said rookie tentativeness, much like Devin Booker had early last season, is the only thing stopping Bender from firing more 3s.

“We want him to grow confidence-wise,” Watson said. “Once his confidence grows, he’s going to know what’s a good shot and what’s a bad shot. … He has to move and find his spot and be ready to shoot quicker.

“Shooters have no conscience and you have to develop that. And the way you develop that, a coach has to instill that power into you and empower you to have that confidence.”
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