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Post#601 » by Starks » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:12 am

CJackson wrote:Oh this one is better though



Watching this and seeing them saying him punching a woman or being a pedophile I realized how few Americans know jack when there is available information out there that a deposition was made identifying trump as raping a 13 year old.

Here is her testimony:

I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending.

The parties were held at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. Each of the parties had other minor females and a number of guests of Mr. Epstein, including Defendant Donald Trump at four of the parties I attended. I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew I was 13 years old.

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and fnial sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted, Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed.


That came from this:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit

What is really bizarre about Trump is both him and Clinton are associated with Epstein. That he keeps going after Bill for cheating when Trump is a cheater but the one with failed marriages is really, really hard to understand. Trump is nuts of course, that's why


I hate this man as much as the next guy but come on, this is hard to believe. Stuff happens in 1994 and she coincidentally files a lawsuit in april 2016?
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Re: If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You 

Post#602 » by Fat Kat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:16 am

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No point to vote you say. Right. The Supreme Court doesn't matter. It's all carrot soup to you. Nothing for us to discuss then


The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.


Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).


You're going back and fourth with someone that believes that he spoke with a time traveler. There's no point arguing with him.
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Re: If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You 

Post#603 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:19 am

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CJackson wrote:THIS IS A MUST READ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/09/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You

Tell me you are conservative. Tell me you are Christian. Tell me you are Republican. Tell me any of these things, and I won't make too many assumptions about you. Sure, I may assume you go to church every Sunday, eat red meat, and get most of your news from Fox and Friends, but beyond that, I will withhold judgment on the kind of person you are until I get to know you. In fact, as a Southern white male veteran who lives in a very rural area, most of the people in my circles are of the right-leaning variety. I can attest that most people are fairly decent when you get to know them.

This equation changes when you tell me unequivocally that you are voting for Trump. Instantly, I know there are certain things about you and your character that I can assume that I wouldn't if you told me you supported any other GOP candidate. Ain’t none of them good.

Tell me you are a strong Trump supporter, then you are telling me:

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism.

Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-American.

2. You have no class.


Seriously. You don’t. I’m sorry. I tried to revisit this one several times but I don’t know how to sugar-coat it.

It is NOT OKAY that Trump mocked a disabled person. If Hillary did that, it would be a deal-breaker for me. I'd go third-party, or write in my own name. I have standards. You apparently don't. Some people try to justify this by saying Trump didn't really do it. Except he really did, and it was awful.
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No one even tries to defend Donald Trump mocking POWs, because he said it loud and clear: "I like people who weren't captured". It was that insult to John McCain that I thought would have killed his chances within the GOP ranks, since they claim to be pro-veteran. I grossly overestimated their character. By the time we get around to the part about Trump lusting after his own damn daughter or justifying statutory rape, I have already given up on you as a decent person.

And please. Don't tell me that you didn’t know about any of this. You know. You just don't care. Hence, my statement that you don't have class.

3. You are definitely not someone to do business with.

Yes, all politicians lie, but Trump is obscene with his falsehoods. He says whatever he feels like to whatever crowd he is speaking to, and then will deny ever saying it. I am not okay with someone who lies to me constantly. If you are, I have to wonder: would you fudge the numbers? If you caught someone on your team doing something unethical, would you be okay with that?

I already know that integrity is not high on your list. Furthermore, you clearly have no trouble with someone who has a long history of fraudulent business practices. Having a bumper sticker on your truck for any other conservative wouldn't be a problem for me—but Trump?

You might do good work, but this is a risk I would not take.

4. You are either a racist, or at best, have no problem with racism.

Trump threw out all the dog whistles and fully embraced the alt-right movement. He led the campaign to de-legitimize Obama's presidency. He constantly complains that black Americans are violent and stated that Mexican immigrants bring "crime" and are "rapists." He demanded that any judge who tries him be white! He retweets from handles like “@WhiteGenocideTM,” and goes to anti-Semitic websites for material to attack his opponents.

Your embrace of this kind of hate makes me wonder what things you say about my family behind my back. Going back to #3, if I was to hire you, you would be expected to work with people who don’t share your ethnic background or religion, and that might be a problem. Which brings me to #5.

5. You have an issue with women.

Trump has brought a level of vulgarity that we have never before seen in national politics. From his attack on Megyn Kelly, to insulting Rosie O’Donnell twice in national debates, to bragging about his genitalia on television in front of millions, to his suggestion that Hillary and Carly Fiorina are too ugly to be president. Anyone who supports a man who doesn’t think twice about calling women “pigs” or “dogs” is not someone I want to deal with.

I can say in all honesty that if it was the Democratic candidate who kept bragging about his sexual dominance and ranked all women he met by their looks, that person would not get my vote. I don’t give a damn who I think he might put on the Supreme Court. (And frankly, I wouldn’t trust him even if he claimed to share my party.) You see, I have children. I can’t very well raise them with a message of self-respect and decency if I overthrow my principles just because he decided to put a “D" after his name. Demanding that a man treat women with a basic level of respect is a pretty low bar. I have a problem with someone who can’t even meet that, along with this person’s supporters.

Update: If you have a boy or a girl, what kind of message are you sending them by making excuses for a man who brags about sexually assaulting women!

6. You aren't really Christian.

Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it’s pretty clear on this. (Or if you can’t be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God’s forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. As Christian author Philip Yancey says:

I am staggered that so many conservative or evangelical Christians would see a man who is a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs, that they would somehow paint him as a hero, as someone that we could stand behind.

And now you find out that Trump, the top of the GOP ticket, sent you instructions at 3am to go watch a sex tape with a former Miss Universe who insulted him. And no, of course there is no sex tape. He lied about that too. (As it turns out, there was a sex tape that was uncovered, but it was a 2000 Playboy soft-core porn that starred Donald Trump!) Your candidate.

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.


For eight years I have listened to your rabid rantings on how Obama doesn’t follow the Constitution. Yet you support a man who said the US government should shut down mosques, curb our First Amendment rights, and forego due process on people he doesn’t like. These protections are enshrined in our Bill of Rights, and you want to give them up. Trump also said he wants to end birthright citizenship, which is also in the Constitution. Maybe Mr. Khan should have made more copies for Trump’s supporters.

That’s the thing that really bothers me, though. I respect people who hold convictions, even if they are different than mine, but Trump supporters don't really believe in anything. They are authoritarian-prone sheep who will justify anything Trump says or does. Unfortunately, once you decide to sell your soul, there is no limit to how low you will go. Kimmel proved this in a bit that was both funny and horrible. He had someone ask Trump supporters on the street about the surprises on Trump's fictitious tax returns. Trump supporters vigorously defended everything they thought he did--writing off his wives as entertainment expenses, buying Putin a tiger, donating large sums of money to Jared Fogle—nothing they could come up with remotely bothered any of them.

Now, I will always be nice, but I won’t respect you. How could I? Suffice it to say, if you tell me you are in the tank for Trump, please end your conversation there. I already know everything I need to know about you.

And good day, sir.

I believe this is a big assumption, perception of events are never the same for every person. Not to mention, not every person in support of would face the same beliefs or reasons in common. Its easy to profile people and still yet, isn't going to tell you the entire truth behind who we all are. Some don't care about certain unlikable traits while they focus on the things they don't like about the other candidate. For instance, the right to bare arms or the open borders seem to be a few among the many. That's not to say that some wouldn't fit under this profiling agenda someone created based on their own perception. Bad people are never subject to one sided affairs but part of every group including Hillary. This is just a type of conclusion by a limited perspective that only knows how to be unfair with their own opinion or beliefs.


Yeah, I don't like Trump, but these are pretty broad strokes. Some of them are certainly true, for some of his supporters.

I like the last one on the constitution, not that many Dems are necessarily great upholders or anything. But of all things, you'd think conservatives would be rabid about "Every Man's Home is his castle", the military doing law enforcement and posse comitatus, illegal search and seizure, freedom of speech, etc. But I've found so many of them have zero f*cks to give about those amendments. It's quite fascinating. Spock voice.
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Re: If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You 

Post#604 » by Lolo » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:35 pm

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The Supreme Court does matter, another assumption made by a perception that is limited to what it finds. Just wait for the events to unfold and then we'll go from there. No disrespect, no need for that, not here, not now.


Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).



Take a breath and settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.


Are you implying voting is not needed because this election is going to be rigged for Hillary to win?
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Re: If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You 

Post#605 » by aj49689 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:08 pm

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Omigod you pretentious idiot. You are the least metaphysically astute person I have ever encountered. You talk nonsense and delusionally think you are on another plane when intellectually you always have nothing say and you express yourself with pseudo-nostradamic mush to cover up your empty mind (no, not in the zen sense).



Take a breath and settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.


Are you implying voting is not needed because this election is going to be rigged for Hillary to win?



I do believe its tilted in her favor but I don't believe either will end up as president. Most likely, because America is growing unstable and the people are divided, the elections could simply be postponed/suspended due to growing unrest. First off, Obama doesn't believe Trump should be president and also said he would not become the next president of the USA. Trump, If elected, would pose a big threat to Obama and Hillary once the information is over looked for prosecution. The FBI has already admitted that Hillary broke the Law in several ways during the mishandling of classified material. Obama has also broke an extensive amount of federal laws and many Impeachable Offenses. An agenda is in place that I don't care to talk about but would be best kept in place by Hillary. Russian President Vladimir Putin has been siding with Trump and talking about Hillary as a threat to Russia's well being. Putin believes if Hillary is elected that world war 3 will follow, which he also considers Obama and Hillary as being the cause of ISIS(Also according to wiki-leaks). Wiki Leaks is said to have a 100 percent accuracy over the span of its time. The situation in Iran and Syria with ISIS is creating a conflict of interest. Riots are getting worse, Civil unrest is getting worse, these groups of protesters are being more and more violent. Obama has the power to enact Martial Law for any reason, we have never seen a more dangerous time to hand over the presidency. Voter fraud is talked about more now and people have testified about its happenings. We are in the information age, anything can be said and anything can be believed by the majority.
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Re: If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You 

Post#606 » by GONYK » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:14 pm

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Take a breath and settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.


Are you implying voting is not needed because this election is going to be rigged for Hillary to win?



I do believe its tilted in her favor but I don't believe either will end up as president. Most likely, because America is growing unstable and the people are divided, the elections could simply be postponed/suspended due to growing unrest. First off, Obama doesn't believe Trump should be president and also said he would not become the next president of the USA. Trump, If elected, would pose a big threat to Obama and Hillary once the information is over looked for prosecution. The FBI has already admitted that Hillary broke the Law in several ways during the mishandling of classified material. Obama has also broke an extensive amount of federal laws and many Impeachable Offenses. An agenda is in place that I don't care to talk about but would be best kept in place by Hillary. Russian President Vladimir Putin has been siding with Trump and talking about Hillary as a threat to Russia's well being. Putin believes if Hillary is elected that world war 3 will follow, which he also considers Obama and Hillary as being the cause of ISIS(Also according to wikileaks). The situation in Iran and Syria with ISIS is creating a conflict of interest. Riots are getting worse, Civil unrest is getting worse, these groups of protesters are being more and more violent. Obama has the power to enact Martial Law for any reason, we have never seen a more dangerous time to hand over the presidency. Voter fraud is talked about more now and people have testified about its happenings. We are in the information age and anything can be said, anything can be believed by the majority.


All of this is more likely than Hillary just winning 270 electoral votes because a plurality of the electorate prefers her to Trump?

Hillary is leading by anywhere from 7-11 pts. It doesn't seem like the people are that divided, or the level of unrest is that high at the moment.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#607 » by moocow007 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:19 pm

KnicksGod wrote:This race is bad for everyone. Just a few more weeks of this idiocy.


Actually it'll be a few more weeks of 2 idiots and then 4 more years of 1 idiot.
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Post#608 » by NYKAL » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:22 pm

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CJackson wrote:Oh this one is better though



Watching this and seeing them saying him punching a woman or being a pedophile I realized how few Americans know jack when there is available information out there that a deposition was made identifying trump as raping a 13 year old.

Here is her testimony:

I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending.

The parties were held at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. Each of the parties had other minor females and a number of guests of Mr. Epstein, including Defendant Donald Trump at four of the parties I attended. I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew I was 13 years old.

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and fnial sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted, Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed.


That came from this:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit

What is really bizarre about Trump is both him and Clinton are associated with Epstein. That he keeps going after Bill for cheating when Trump is a cheater but the one with failed marriages is really, really hard to understand. Trump is nuts of course, that's why


I hate this man as much as the next guy but come on, this is hard to believe. Stuff happens in 1994 and she coincidentally files a lawsuit in april 2016?



When dealing with Rich and Powerful men, I'm more surprised she came out at all as opposed to being surprised that she waited so long. Just cause she waited does not mean she wasn't raped. Bill Cosby anyone????? Heck, guys really shouldn't even be chiming in with opinion on this. Yeah we can be raped but, its a very different dynamic. Unless you are sodomized, there is no "Internal Violation" of your body. External violated can be devastating but, its different when the violation is internal. At least this is MY belief.
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Post#609 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:33 pm

moocow007 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:This race is bad for everyone. Just a few more weeks of this idiocy.


Actually it'll be a few more weeks of 2 idiots and then 4 more years of 1 idiot.


False equivalence:)
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Post#610 » by Moose » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:39 pm

The election is over. The only promise given this time around is a terrible president. Trump is a disaster and Clinton should not be president based on the track record and baggage. Obviously, Clinton is going to win.

One of my fears is that terrorism will continue to thrive under Clinton. Also, I don't see her standing up to the Russians and cutting off the aggression. It is a tough spot to be in for sure, as to what to do...but if Obama is being made to look like a b*tch with russia, iran, cuba, and North Korea, then I dont see how clinton would do any better. Would Trump? Hard to say, but his aggressive demeaner/actions may actually prevent a significant war in the future. Or simply step on the gas.

Considering the disrepespect we have gotten from certain countries the last 12 years or so, i wouldnt be surprised if we were in a war within 25 years.

They see us as p*ssies. And when you let things escalate like this, it eventually leads to war, or at least 1000s of deaths.

We are starting to see small attacks on our soil from terrorists. I fear that is only going to get worse.

I wish we had a stronger, more stable candidate.
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Post#611 » by Moose » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:43 pm

NYKAL wrote:
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CJackson wrote:Oh this one is better though



Watching this and seeing them saying him punching a woman or being a pedophile I realized how few Americans know jack when there is available information out there that a deposition was made identifying trump as raping a 13 year old.

Here is her testimony:

I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending.

The parties were held at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. Each of the parties had other minor females and a number of guests of Mr. Epstein, including Defendant Donald Trump at four of the parties I attended. I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew I was 13 years old.

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and fnial sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted, Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed.


That came from this:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit

What is really bizarre about Trump is both him and Clinton are associated with Epstein. That he keeps going after Bill for cheating when Trump is a cheater but the one with failed marriages is really, really hard to understand. Trump is nuts of course, that's why


I hate this man as much as the next guy but come on, this is hard to believe. Stuff happens in 1994 and she coincidentally files a lawsuit in april 2016?



When dealing with Rich and Powerful men, I'm more surprised she came out at all as opposed to being surprised that she waited so long. Just cause she waited does not mean she wasn't raped. Bill Cosby anyone????? Heck, guys really shouldn't even be chiming in with opinion on this. Yeah we can be raped but, its a very different dynamic. Unless you are sodomized, there is no "Internal Violation" of your body. External violated can be devastating but, its different when the violation is internal. At least this is MY belief.


This is a pretty silly statement. Because I am a man, i can't have an opinion on rape or abortion or women's rights? Or if I'm straight, I can't fight for gay rights?

Silly.

So the men who were all soldiers who died 60+ years ago, they were men...should a woman not have a right to be against a war or for a war or be commander in chief? So Hillary Clinton should not be allowed to be president?

Maybe if you didn't serve this country, such as obama, then you should not be commander in chief.

That's what it sounds like when you make these statements.
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Post#612 » by moocow007 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:44 pm

Honestly choosing between Clinton and Trump is like having to choose between being Lucilled by Negan or be given the Bob Barker treatment by Ramsay Snow.
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Post#613 » by K_ick_God » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:45 pm

Moose wrote:The election is over. The only promise given this time around is a terrible president. Trump is a disaster and Clinton should not be president based on the track record and baggage. Obviously, Clinton is going to win.

One of my fears is that terrorism will continue to thrive under Clinton. Also, I don't see her standing up to the Russians and cutting off the aggression. It is a tough spot to be in for sure, as to what to do...but if Obama is being made to look like a b*tch with russia, iran, cuba, and North Korea, then I dont see how clinton would do any better. Would Trump? Hard to say, but his aggressive demeaner/actions may actually prevent a significant war in the future. Or simply step on the gas.

Considering the disrepespect we have gotten from certain countries the last 12 years or so, i wouldnt be surprised if we were in a war within 25 years.

They see us as p*ssies. And when you let things escalate like this, it eventually leads to war, or at least 1000s of deaths.

We are starting to see small attacks on our soil from terrorists. I fear that is only going to get worse.

I wish we had a stronger, more stable candidate.


I think H is a smart and strong foreign policy leader. She'll weigh all her options carefully and execute. Terrorism is going to continue but she will scrub all the details of policy, erring on the hawkish, interventionist side. No president, particularly not a President Trump, could wipe out terrorism.

Also what do you mean by thrive? There are scattered individual attacks, unavoidable I'm afraid, but Iraq has reclaimed most of its territory and is about to kick IS out altogether. Iraq is persisting. Whole and still a young democracy. Syria, if anything, may have shown us that doing less does not produce a good outcome.
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Post#614 » by reub » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:47 pm

Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?
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Post#615 » by CJackson » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:51 pm

ClydeRules wrote:Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?


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Post#616 » by K_ick_God » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:54 pm

ClydeRules wrote:Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?


I think we heard the same rumors about Mitt, and he lost by more than he was supposed to. Now Trump is down more than Mitt seemed to be down.

Only in one's mind is Trump a hero to all. Most people do not like H but they view T as unqualified and sort of crazy. Big difference.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#617 » by AmazingJason » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:56 pm

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ClydeRules wrote:Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?


Bookmarked for next month when you will still not have the courage to address why you support genocide.


At the rate this is going, Trump might not even get 40% of the vote.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#618 » by Moose » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:56 pm

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Moose wrote:The election is over. The only promise given this time around is a terrible president. Trump is a disaster and Clinton should not be president based on the track record and baggage. Obviously, Clinton is going to win.

One of my fears is that terrorism will continue to thrive under Clinton. Also, I don't see her standing up to the Russians and cutting off the aggression. It is a tough spot to be in for sure, as to what to do...but if Obama is being made to look like a b*tch with russia, iran, cuba, and North Korea, then I dont see how clinton would do any better. Would Trump? Hard to say, but his aggressive demeaner/actions may actually prevent a significant war in the future. Or simply step on the gas.

Considering the disrepespect we have gotten from certain countries the last 12 years or so, i wouldnt be surprised if we were in a war within 25 years.

They see us as p*ssies. And when you let things escalate like this, it eventually leads to war, or at least 1000s of deaths.

We are starting to see small attacks on our soil from terrorists. I fear that is only going to get worse.

I wish we had a stronger, more stable candidate.


I think H is a smart and strong foreign policy leader. She'll weigh all her options carefully and execute. Terrorism is going to continue but she will scrub all the details of policy, erring on the hawkish, interventionist side. No president, particularly not a President Trump, could wipe out terrorism.

Also what do you mean by thrive? There are scattered individual attacks, unavoidable I'm afraid, but Iraq has reclaimed most of its territory and is about to kick IS out altogether. Iraq is persisting. Whole and still a young democracy. Syria, if anything, may have shown us that doing less does not produce a good outcome.



Where has Hillary Clinton shown us a strong sense of foreign policy? When weighing her options, people have died and isis has gotten stronger. And illegal immigration and a proper immigration system has taken a back seat.

Forget about being on a side. The election is essentially over, and Hillary won...but where could you possibly feel comfortable with her immigration and foreign policy ideas?

And lets not do a trump comparison. Lets focus on Hillary as our president.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#619 » by moocow007 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:59 pm

I don't think either candidate can be trusted to be quite honest but it very well may be a case of who do you trust more. Clinton IMO is the less "dangerous" option.

PS: It's odd that Russian President Vladimir Putin is strongly backing Trump don't you think? Sure it could be that Putin actually believes Trump to be the better choice but I would think most folks that are familiar with Putin would tell you that he's pushing Trump because he knows Trump is a bigger risk to the US. And at the end of the day, Putin's no.1 goal is to become better than the US as the global power.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#620 » by CJackson » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:00 pm

moocow007 wrote:I don't think either candidate can be trusted to be quite honest but it very well may be a case of who do you trust more. Clinton IMO is the less "dangerous" option.


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