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Post#1261 » by spaceballer » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:11 am

1) There's an interesting tidbit in this NBC News article. Apparently, because Jeremy Lin is on the Nets, travel companies in Taiwan are arranging tour groups for people to fly to the U.S. to see the Nets as part of the NYC package experience. This should help pack the house so that the fan contingent in Barclays rooting for the opposing team isn't as loud.

If I recall correctly, during Linsanity, these same travel companies had tour packages for them to fly from Asia to spend time in NYC while taking in an MSG game. So now, the Nets have replaced the Knicks as part of the NYC tour group experience for these travel companies.

NBC News wrote:Some tour groups in Taiwan have even put together packages for Lin fans this season to fly to New York, tour sights like the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty, and catch a Nets game. Seven-day packages from Cola Tour range from $1,359 to $1,486, depending on the time of year.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/preseason-opener-fans-discuss-jeremy-lin-s-concerns-police-return-n663661

2) Randy Foye talks to Sirius XM Radio about JLin's leadership off the court and the impact JLin's had on team culture in little ways that people don't see, like getting them together for dinner.
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https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/nets-sg-randy-foye-says-jeremy-lin-has-been-amazing-will-shock-alot-of-people

3) A playlist compilation of youtube segments (mix of video segments and audio segments) that piece together the entire The New Yorker Festival talk by Jeremy.
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Part 1 (Audio)


Part 2A (Video)


Part 2B (Video)


Part 3 (Audio)


Part 4 (Audio)


part 5 (Audio)


4) Jeremy Lin shows up on the Disney Channel during their discussion of inspirational figures.
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5) Anthony Puccio, one of the Nets Daily writers, tweets that the record traffic has broken their soundcloud numbers due to Jeremy Lin.
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6) The Brooklyn Game writes their player preview of Jeremy Lin.
http://thebrooklyngame.com/tbg-player-previews-2016-2017-jeremy-lin/
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1262 » by Kswiss » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:02 am

bws94 wrote:
GoodDayLa wrote:
Kswiss wrote:I don't necessarily agree that he doesn't do well with ball pressure. I mean he's been exceptional in the playoffs the past few years and that's as intense as ball pressure gets. They really step up the defensive intensity. He's definitely not the fanciest dribbler but he uses his strength to protect the ball. He just doesn't really do all the intricate "Uncle Drew" type moves but is much more to the point with his moves, which I actually think can be a good thing.


The only real way to stop Lin is to be extremely physical, cheap shot him, and hope the refs continue to swallow the whistle when Lin gets bodied or pushed around. Then on defense, abuse Lin through picks or just try to tire him out with whomever he's guarding. Lin should be extremely careful this season. People are going to try to injure him, intentionally or not particularly if his efficiency stays high on offense.


I don't think there are too many cheap shot Metta-World Peace type of physical players around that would intentionally not care who they hurt. Muscle-ling Lin doesn't work. He can get knocked down, bloodied, and come back stronger in a game. Lin doesn't mind physicality at all, in fact he thrives off of it. I'm sure some players will try to send a message but early ball pressure of Lin in the back court or trapping him strategically is more effective than trying to knock him around. But, as you said. He's found ways to beat that. He's been watching the film and has come up with counters.

I agree Lin is tough as nails, fights til he drops. From what I've seen playing him physical just makes him go even harder. Not reccomended lol
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1263 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:23 am

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bws94 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Lin is fine to me, he gets into the paint at will, having that is a huge step in the right direction compared to the last few years.

And it's preseason. I could care less if we lose exhibition games where the f tier players finish out the 3rd and 4th. I liked what I saw when the Kilpatrick + Foreigner squad went on like a 20-6 run vs Miami and then the starters came in and played well.

If we get blown off the floor in the first three qtrs of this next game where Lopez/Lin play, then i'll show some concern.


Right. As for Lin, getting into the paint is his strength. The major weakness with Lin, in my opinion, is he'll be ball pressured, especially if he is the only ball handler. Lin doesn't quite have the wizard ball handling to break traps and maneuver out of these situations that the better PGs have. His handle is still "looser" than upper-tier PGs. It looked that way to me some last night a little when he was pressured. He's much, much better than he used to be, but, there are times where Lin will need help to pass the ball off, then regain it in some space to be effective.


This won't be a long term issue in Brooklyn. Lin does have a form of this issue you properly noted. but it will be minimized and masked well in Brooklyn.

In Brooklyn, I believe the coaching staff will prepare for this and make sure they play 4 on 3 when this happens and that there is an understanding of how Lin will unload that pass.

Also the Heat did this to Lin in game 5 of the playoffs last year. Lin masterfully beat it to the point Isiah Thomas praised him on NBA TV if you were watching.

Lin baited the trap by backing up with his dribble, waited for Al Jefferson to get wide open cutting to the paint, and threw the passes on target and Big Al scored. Lin did learn this tactic by the time he was in LA already. He did the same thing with Ed Davis. He backs up with his dribble, appears to be pinned against the sideline, and throws the dart to the wide open big.

The other time in the Heat playoff game, Lin didn't use his dribble yet, and just held the ball looking as if he was trapped, and bounce passed to a wide open Al Jefferson who understood how to connect with Lin and kill the double attempt.

After that, the Heat completely backed off.

Before you say "well he had Kemba on the court with him to relieve pressure" that's not true. I believe Courtney Lee was the 2 guard playing with him when Lin beat the traps. Due to some sick and twisted politics in Charlotte, Lin was not allowed to spend time on the court without Kemba in game 6 and 7 probably due to Kemba's fear of being benched permanently and traded after Lin's dominance in games 2-5 as the de facto PG when Clifford got tired of Kemba's incompetence and benched the guy. Watch the game tape, it doesn't lie even if you think I do. Kemba got his PG role back in game 6 and 7. Kemba tried his best to prove he was the man by trying to score 50 in game 6 to seal the deal but he just isn't big enough being under six foot tall no matter how tall he's listed. I didn't even waste time watching game 7. I knew the Hornets would lose by at least 10 in game 7 due to politics and the non-use of Lin at PG starting in game 6.

(EDIT: The only guy on this team who can do that with Lin is named Trevor Booker; for whatever reason, and I hope I'm wrong, I feel Lin has absolutely no chemistry with Luis Scola but somehow I hope they end up building some trust and ESP. That pass Lin threw to Scola in the Heat pre season game sums up their chemistry right now. Lin thought he threw a good dime and Scola made a half a$$ attempt to bend over to get it probably thinking Lin threw him a garbage pass. But 100 of you guys will tell me that's what preseason is for and that Lin threw a TO to Hamilton as well on the break).

So that's 1 way to beat it. The other is if Lin gets stuck up top, to have a corner outlet where they can release and from there its 4 on 3 and there is almost a 100% chance they're will always be a corner 3 wide open as the worst case scenario.

What use to be an issue for Lin will be used to flip the script this season through Lin's own improvement and coaching that will cater to protect Lin and help the team win games.

If you have watched and paid attention closely enough, you'll see that there is little to worry about in terms of Lin being trapped. It will be Christmas time if teams try to trap Lin or the Nets.

Before the past playoffs, the Heat were Lin's nemesis. I thought it'd be great if he plays the Heat every game, his ball handling'd improve so fast. Well, looks like he has overcome them!
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1264 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:30 am

Aussiemongoose wrote:
Some of you guys make me chuckle. I'm a Lin fan myself and I wish the best for him, for this season. However sometimes I get the feeling that for some fans Lin is not only a basketball player, but a god. I mean can he do wrong? :-)
I'm not saying I know how the outcome will be, but when some of you talk of the future it just sounds so absolute.
To elaborate, I'll exagerate for a moment: "Just wait and see Lin will bring us to the promised land (if Brook rolls to the basket, even earlier;-) and will bring home a championship (next year at the latest)".
I mean, just try to be more realistic. Lin is a great player, he makes his teammates better. From my point of view he might, though not very realistic (only if some other players surprise us), even get this team to the playoffs.
I agree his stats will drastically improve, his turnovers will increase a bit (but thats ok, if he has the ball in his hands that much) and we will see lots of beautiful unselfish basketball, but don't expect too much in the sense of many wins. The other NBA teams are no scrubs. If Lin has another Cinderella story I will enjoy it just the same. Just don't forget, JLin is mortal ;-)

Just in case, are you Fair Dinkum or do you know him? (lol, sorry, old Aussie comrade defending Lin, got banned by the fascistic fansite and never heard from him again)


No, I'm not Fair Dinkum.
This is the first forum I've started posting. I've just been reading the boards (but only from his teams) to acquire more basketball knowledge. There have been really good posters on the hornets and on this board. That is also why I started chipping in.

Welcome on board! (where art thou Fair Dinkum!?)
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Post#1265 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:33 am

Vae Victus wrote:However the defense is gonna be putrid.

Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

Edit: God i wished Miami had no matched on Tyler... he'd be the perfect combo guard complement with Lin. Can play PG when Lin sits and they both can easily share the floor playing off of each other's penetration. As someone said, if TJ had been signed the ceiling on the team can even be as high as 40 wins, he's got some serious talent.

No kidding. Didn't Pat give up Wade and tons of caproom to swallow this poison pill?
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Post#1266 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:42 am

Major ESPN article on Lin and his FA:

http://www.espn.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23787/up-from-the-depths-how-jeremy-lin-got-back-on-point

"That's kind of what I've been my whole life, is the starting point guard and the leader of the team, and for me to be back in that position, I'm just like, ‘Man, this is really cool.' And it feels natural again. The last three years, I've kind of been a backup or lost in the mix. Here, everything just seems so much more clear."

:nod:
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1267 » by GoodDayLa » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:04 am

bws94 wrote:
GoodDayLa wrote:
Kswiss wrote:I don't necessarily agree that he doesn't do well with ball pressure. I mean he's been exceptional in the playoffs the past few years and that's as intense as ball pressure gets. They really step up the defensive intensity. He's definitely not the fanciest dribbler but he uses his strength to protect the ball. He just doesn't really do all the intricate "Uncle Drew" type moves but is much more to the point with his moves, which I actually think can be a good thing.


The only real way to stop Lin is to be extremely physical, cheap shot him, and hope the refs continue to swallow the whistle when Lin gets bodied or pushed around. Then on defense, abuse Lin through picks or just try to tire him out with whomever he's guarding. Lin should be extremely careful this season. People are going to try to injure him, intentionally or not particularly if his efficiency stays high on offense.


I don't think there are too many cheap shot Metta-World Peace type of physical players around that would intentionally not care who they hurt. Muscle-ling Lin doesn't work. He can get knocked down, bloodied, and come back stronger in a game. Lin doesn't mind physicality at all, in fact he thrives off of it. I'm sure some players will try to send a message but early ball pressure of Lin in the back court or trapping him strategically is more effective than trying to knock him around. But, as you said. He's found ways to beat that. He's been watching the film and has come up with counters.



Lin's tough but the 35 MPG starter role means more chances to get hit on both ends. Hi usage will be higher too. Last time his usage was high, he tore his knee. I think he's much smarter now and a seasoned vet so he should be ok.
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Post#1268 » by Vae Victus » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:15 am

His body has matured and gotten tougher/stronger after getting several off-seasons with top notch trainers ever since Linsanity. Combined with his supposedly stamina saving new shot he technically should be hold up to 36 mins a game. If not and he's gotta throttle down to 32 mins, then so be it, better he play hard all game then 80% for longer.

Well... i guess that depends on how much worse the backup PG is compared to 80% Lin.
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Post#1269 » by steady » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:46 pm

Finding that I am irrationally annoyed by Kevin McHale comments on Lin in a NY Post article this morning. What is most annoying is just the idea that McHale is qualified to offer an objective view of Lin. Will never forgot his benching Lin for Beverley in preseason 2013 with apparently no warning to Lin that they were considering this and with the false explanation that Bev outplayed Lin in preseason.

Even though Lin started all 82 games for Rockets his first year, had the third highest win share on the team (behind only Harden and Asik), and was a pivotal part of getting them to playoffs – in year the Rockets were expected to be bottom of League.

But after that first season starting for Rockets, Dwight Howard signed over the summer. Drawn to Rockets sexy new style of play engineered by Lin and Harden. But there was a concern about how touches were going to get allocated between Howard, Harden, Parsons, and Lin, and a decision was made to bench Lin in favor of Beverley, to address that issue, to shore up the defense of first unit (that being Bev’s calling card), and the offense of the second unit (since Bev was incapable of orchestrating an offense, and Lin could). The decision was fine, on the merits, but it was so badly handled. Lin was not given any clue about this possibility at all before training camp, and then McHale tried to sell the decision as Bev outplayed Lin in preseason, which was just patently false. Ugh.

Given that background, and McHale’s rocky tenure at Rockets, selling McHale as the coach that knows the most about Lin’s game ….. Yech. I expect better of Brian Lewis .
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Post#1270 » by Lorenzomax7 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:52 pm

I actually like what he said. McHale is a good player's coach.
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Post#1271 » by steady » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:14 pm

Lorenzomax7 wrote:I actually like what he said. McHale is a good player's coach.


There's a fine line between being a players coach and letting star players walk over you and losing the locker room. I think McHale ended up on wrong side of line and that's why he was fired

Nothing he said in article was wrong - but none of it was new either and to my jaded ear it sounded like a LOT of emphasis on how much Lin has improved as if to justify his benching Lin, should Lin have a great year
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Post#1272 » by Prokorov » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:20 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:However the defense is gonna be putrid.

Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]
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Post#1273 » by Roy Tarpley » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:43 pm

Prokorov wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:However the defense is gonna be putrid.

Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]


I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1274 » by Paradise » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:52 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]


I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.

He is. Everyone chooses to convince themselves otherwise.


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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1275 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:09 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]


I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.


He's not bad. The issue is, he can't defend PGs on 1-5 screen and rolls that result in a switch.
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Post#1276 » by Vae Victus » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:17 pm

One just has to hope the old bball adage of, "the more involved players are on offense, the higher their intensity and effort is on D," bears out.

On a straight talent perspective the Nets are woefully undermanned. They just need to play balls out all season and go hard, no matter how bad things look. Sheer effort can cover up putrid defense in stretches. Lin goes hard no matter what and it can be infectious, not to mention alot of these guys are playing for their careers. Kenny A knows that in order to win they need to run n gun on offense and scheme like mad on D since they cant defend most teams straight up (hence why we saw Whiteside annihilate us on the inside while we were doing the alot of weird switch/shade action instead of trying to guard him straight up, Kenny was experimenting). The coach knows whats up, so that means its more likely we'll be trying alot of crazy things to try to cover up for the weaknesses.

I can forsee lots of crazy offensive lineups. If we cannot defend, then we shall bombard and try to shock and awe our opposition.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1277 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:37 pm

Prokorov wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:However the defense is gonna be putrid.

Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]

Last year doesn't mean much, things are very different now.

So you're saying Bogs will singlehandedly bog down the second unit while Lopez would do the same to the starters? (pun intended)
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Post#1278 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:42 pm

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Lorenzomax7 wrote:I actually like what he said. McHale is a good player's coach.


There's a fine line between being a players coach and letting star players walk over you and losing the locker room. I think McHale ended up on wrong side of line and that's why he was fired

Nothing he said in article was wrong - but none of it was new either and to my jaded ear it sounded like a LOT of emphasis on how much Lin has improved as if to justify his benching Lin, should Lin have a great year

Well, what do you expect? Lin sucked hugely the first time, sucked big the second time, now is OK, my talent evaluation was great. How else? Apologize?

OTOH, he just cast doubt on Harden as PG, saying he was a very ball dominant scorer.

One would never know whether it was his decision, pressure from Harden or pressure from Morey, or all three to let Harden have the ball as much as possible and play as little D as possible.
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Post#1279 » by GoodDayLa » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:44 pm

steady wrote:Finding that I am irrationally annoyed by Kevin McHale comments on Lin in a NY Post article this morning. What is most annoying is just the idea that McHale is qualified to offer an objective view of Lin. Will never forgot his benching Lin for Beverley in preseason 2013 with apparently no warning to Lin that they were considering this and with the false explanation that Bev outplayed Lin in preseason.

Even though Lin started all 82 games for Rockets his first year, had the third highest win share on the team (behind only Harden and Asik), and was a pivotal part of getting them to playoffs – in year the Rockets were expected to be bottom of League.

But after that first season starting for Rockets, Dwight Howard signed over the summer. Drawn to Rockets sexy new style of play engineered by Lin and Harden. But there was a concern about how touches were going to get allocated between Howard, Harden, Parsons, and Lin, and a decision was made to bench Lin in favor of Beverley, to address that issue, to shore up the defense of first unit (that being Bev’s calling card), and the offense of the second unit (since Bev was incapable of orchestrating an offense, and Lin could). The decision was fine, on the merits, but it was so badly handled. Lin was not given any clue about this possibility at all before training camp, and then McHale tried to sell the decision as Bev outplayed Lin in preseason, which was just patently false. Ugh.

Given that background, and McHale’s rocky tenure at Rockets, selling McHale as the coach that knows the most about Lin’s game ….. Yech. I expect better of Brian Lewis .


I personally believe Mchale and Morey had it out for Lin from the start. However, maybe due to Les Alexander, maybe due to lack of other options in season 1, they let Lin stay as the starter. It had nothing to do with Lin's play which was often stellar after all star break. They just didn't believe in the guy and thought he tried too hard. Morey wanted to prove he was a genius signing Harden and cutting Lin the first time and Mchale wanted anything other than Lin to rely on to keep his job so Harden was a welcome sight to Mchale.

Ironically, Coach Kenny specifically sought out Lin IN ORDER TO FLOURISH IN HIS JOB. Oh the irony.

Mchale gave clear quotes to the press when Lin was in Houston that he felt Lin tried to hard to be a star and should just be a role player happy to be in the league and not try to believe he is as good as Linsanity made him appear. Mchale flat out said it by making references to baseball all the time.

Lin was benched in season 2 not because of defense (yeah I know this is what the Houston media and team claimed), but because he didn't fit as the odd man out mainly on the offensive side of the ball. Despite the fact Lin will likely end up in the Hall of Fame by the end of his career after he cements himself in Brooklyn, the fools in Houston thought Dwight and Parsons were more important to the team than Lin. Morey and Mchale also couldn't believe the gall of Lin to continue to carve out his spot on the team and not completely be Harden's lap dog. They were too blinded by non basketball reasons to see clearly.

Many Lin fans kept saying Lin was better than Beverly or some other PG through the years. Unfortunately, these Lin fans didn't have the right perception to understand it was always a Lin vs. Harden comparison that was relevant. Only the very few knowledgable fans understood this important point. So many Lin fans kept saying he should start because he was better than Beverly - what a poor argument.

No, Lin was and is more impactful than Harden when properly used in a system that harnesses his skills and it will be evident by the end of the season this year.

This year, Lin will finally start showing why people like me have said the for last 4 years that Lin has a greater effect on winning games than James Harden.

Keep an eye on the Nets season record and we'll revisit this post at that time.
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Post#1280 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:12 pm

^
I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?
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