Can Trump wiggle out of this one?

[CJackson]

Well, whatever you believe regarding the truth and/or timing of some of Trump's accusers, it's pretty clear the Dems have taken the gloves off and are getting down and dirty in the campaign. Ah, Politics. It's lovely.

It's clear that this was going to happen once Trump explicitly said in the debate that he never did any of the things he bragged about doing in his "locker room talk"

Trump hasn't exactly handled his troubles well. When he gets hit by a wave, he yells at the ocean "Moar!"

[thebuzzardman]

Well, whatever you believe regarding the truth and/or timing of some of Trump's accusers, it's pretty clear the Dems have taken the gloves off and are getting down and dirty in the campaign. Ah, Politics. It's lovely.

It's clear that this was going to happen once Trump explicitly said in the debate that he never did any of the things he bragged about doing in his "locker room talk"

Trump hasn't exactly handled his troubles well. When he gets hit by a wave, he yells at the ocean "Moar!"

Oh yeah, politically, he asks for it

[IllmaticHandler]

I have not been in a trump thread in a minute, but found this funny.

Watch on YouTube

[CJackson]

I'm so excited Hillary Clinton is going to be president. I can't wait for such a pure, innocent, non corrupt politician to finally enter office. It's not like she will use her position of power for her own financial gain or anything. Nothing more exciting than a 70 year old with health problems who is going to take office.

Hillary is younger than Trump, and actually provided real medical records.

And I don't think the claim that Trump is pure, innocent, or non-corrupt would hold up

Also, Trump is (trying to use/) using his campaign for financial gain. It would only get worse if, God forbid, he won the election.

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

[mrcalzone]

Hillary is younger than Trump, and actually provided real medical records.

And I don't think the claim that Trump is pure, innocent, or non-corrupt would hold up

Also, Trump is (trying to use/) using his campaign for financial gain. It would only get worse if, God forbid, he won the election.

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

Are you excited about Clinton? Or is it a lesser of two evils thing?

[GONYK]

Hillary is younger than Trump, and actually provided real medical records.

And I don't think the claim that Trump is pure, innocent, or non-corrupt would hold up

Also, Trump is (trying to use/) using his campaign for financial gain. It would only get worse if, God forbid, he won the election.

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

It would be pretty funny if his Presidential run ends with him getting hit with criminal charges.

[CJackson]

Now he's saying the women's stories are totally fabricated. Doubt it! Why is he mentioning how old the allegations are? Usually when people are making up things entirely, how old the made-up allegations are is not foremost in your mind.

Should we start a Trump-Cosby Defense Fund on Kickstarter?

[CJackson]

Also, Trump is (trying to use/) using his campaign for financial gain. It would only get worse if, God forbid, he won the election.

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

It would be pretty funny if his Presidential run ends with him getting hit with criminal charges.

Oh there is a succession of waves already heading Donald's way. His post-election troubles are much bigger than even what is on his plate now.

A judge just set the date for December 16 to hear testimony in Trump's 13 year old rape trial. The judge said something to the effect if you want to settle this out of court, now is the time. Otherwise, it will all be public soon.

[Capn'O]

Look - I don't engage in these character tit for tats for a reason. You don't get to the point of running for high office without ambition that's through the roof and at least a little dirty politicking and you end up running around the mulberry bush for he said she said. Both candidates have dirt on them. Only one is actually fit for office.

Trump has some idea that global trade deals and globalization generally have not be great for American production work - which is fair enough - but offers only the most simplistic ideas on how to reverse that trend. He has no clue on foreign policy, he wouldn't know science if it hit him in the face, he has drunk uncle ideas about social policy and race relations, and his economic policy is a garbled regurgitation of the trickle down garbage that has created the wealth gap between rich and poor and raped the American worker of wages and benefits. He knows nothing and doesn't have the interest or discipline to learn anything about the field of politics beyond campaigning. There's nothing there. On top of that, he has mobilized the most sexist, xenophobic, and racist portions of the country behind him. And on top of that, he has openly insulted women, Muslims, Hispanics... you name it.

Clinton is at least incredibly competent. She knows everything that's been tried, what has failed and what is working, every foreign leader, every city of concern in the battle against ISIS, the ins and outs of the science of climate change, how the US has kept position at the top of the world economy, the people that keep it there. She knows how to read the current political climate, that justice reform and working towards the elimination of private prisons is critical for keeping the peace. She will keep us as leaders in global talks on climate change. Her rhetoric is that of inclusion and dignity. That befitting of a president.

For my liking, she's too militaristic*. A bit too in bed with Wall Street and corporate interests. A bit hard to pin down on what she'll actually push for as there's a lot of contradictions and not a cohesive vision.

Give me the president that knows how to get things done and then take to the streets and elect people around her that will push for the initiatives we want. Coalesce around labor, justice, and financial equity issues post election. Politics is more than one person and this person is malleable. Clinton can acknowledge her failures and move towards better positions. But to really create change she'll need a little push.


*at that - she won't lead the country towards catastrophic wars as some claim. Utter nonsense. She'll continue the practice of American hegemony and world policing which has impacted other nations.

[CJackson]

Also, Trump is (trying to use/) using his campaign for financial gain. It would only get worse if, God forbid, he won the election.

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

Are you excited about Clinton? Or is it a lesser of two evils thing?

Not excited. I've explained this numerous times though.

In short, the lesser of two evils argument or the constant refrain of they both suck is a dumbing down of clear distinctions between the candidates.

I pretty much know what to expect from Clinton. What I like or consider acceptable in terms of status quo for 4-8 years is:

possibility of decisive action on clean energy and climate controls
possibility of reform of obamacare into something more affordable (I know she wants this and it will happen with a dem congress)
appointment of centrist supreme court judges
respect for existence of constitutional principles
granting citizenship to hard-working, tax paying immigrants who've been here for many years and raised families here
not prone to using fears of terrorism to get her way
has clearly addressed need for prison reform, bad conviction laws and need for proper police oversight
competency
Has some actual moral stances I can agree (NO, being a crafty, self-dealing, wheeling and dealing politician does not mean I have to like them personally in order to acknowledge they are on the right side of some issues and that does mean they are right morally in some ways publicly while maybe being a bit shady privately; THAT'S LIFE in the Republic, I'm a realist). She is not completely depraved. Sorry Charlie. She is deeply flawed. Big difference

Would I don't like about Clinton:

Her husband is a very mixed bag (I like some things about him and find him otherwise a despicable human being; I do not think she is Bill though nor is responsible for all of his actions)
may not follow up on closing up corporate tax loopholes (yes, she is too cozy with Wall street)
hoping she is not overly hawkish to the detriment of our country

What I don't like about Trump:

Everything. He is a human dumpster fire of a person and all of his policies are stupid
Incompetent
Completely morally depraved human being
Believes in nothing but himself
Will not govern, but will hand over governmental fiefdoms to countless evil douchebags
He's a fuqqing idiot
Loss of all respect internationally
Tanking of the U.S. economy
Idiot projects like the Wall
Encourages worst behavior in Americans imaginable. Already showing up at the grade school level.
Vengeance politics
Extreme contempt for constitutional law and our bill of rights. He's a fascist

[Bill Pidto]

Trump and Bill Clinton both frequent fliers on "Lolita Express". Both friends of Jeffrey Epstein. Google his name if you don't know how twisted and evil this man is. Both Trump and Bill Clinton are pedophiles. One man is running for president, the other man was our beloved president of 8 years, and is on his way back to the White House with his wife who has consistently either turned a blind eye, or has helped him cover this up time and again. She probably has molested children herself, and I'm not joking.

Lesson learned: do not underestimate the deception and the evil and the perversions that extremely wealthy, powerful and well-connected people often practice amongst themselves and away from the public eye. This was all much easier to hide years ago, wasn't it? What else are they hiding??

Bottom line is both candidates and both parties are WRETCHED. No one should be excited for either of them. This is disgusting. I just can't sit here and watch people defend either person anymore. We've all been brainwashed, man. Look at this leadership....

[HarthorneWingo]

Now he's saying the women's stories are totally fabricated. Doubt it! Why is he mentioning how old the allegations are? Usually when people are making up things entirely, how old the made-up allegations are is not foremost in your mind.

It's called "flailing."

[CJackson]

Look - I don't engage in these character tit for tats for a reason. You don't get to the point of running for high office without ambition that's through the roof and at least a little dirty politicking and you end up running around the mulberry bush for he said she said. Both candidates have dirt on them. Only one is actually fit for office.

Trump has some idea that global trade deals and globalization generally have not be great for American production work - which is fair enough - but offers only the most simplistic ideas on how to reverse that trend. He has no clue on foreign policy, he wouldn't know science if it hit him in the face, he has drunk uncle ideas about social policy and race relations, and his economic policy is a garbled regurgitation of the trickle down garbage that has created the wealth gap between rich and poor and raped the American worker of wages and benefits. He knows nothing and doesn't have the interest or discipline to learn anything about the field of politics beyond campaigning. There's nothing there. On top of that, he has mobilized the most sexist, xenophobic, and racist portions of the country behind him. And on top of that, he has openly insulted women, Muslims, Hispanics... you name it.

Clinton is at least incredibly competent. She knows everything that's been tried, what has failed and what is working, every foreign leader, every city of concern in the battle against ISIS, the ins and outs of the science of climate change, how the US has kept position at the top of the world economy, the people that keep it there. She knows how to read the current political climate, that justice reform and working towards the elimination of private prisons is critical for keeping the peace. She will keep us as leaders in global talks on climate change. Her rhetoric is that of inclusion and dignity. That befitting of a president.

For my liking, she's too militaristic*. A bit too in bed with Wall Street and corporate interests. A bit hard to pin down on what she'll actually push for as there's a lot of contradictions and not a cohesive vision.

Give me the president that knows how to get things done and then take to the streets and elect people around her that will push for the initiatives we want. Coalesce around labor, justice, and financial equity issues post election. Politics is more than one person and this person is malleable. Clinton can acknowledge her failures and move towards better positions. But to really create change she'll need a little push.


*at that - she won't lead the country towards catastrophic wars as some claim. Utter nonsense. She'll continue the practice of American hegemony and world policing which has impacted other nations.

Funny, we hit the post button simultaneously. In different words we said very much the same things. Great minds think alike

[K_ick_God]

This has to be the absolute nightmare scenario times 10 for the GOP.

Palin, Akin, debt-ceiling brinkmanship, the worst of the Tea Party elements ... I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the party leaders are now nostalgic for those quaint times.

If they keep the House, I honestly think they will count that as a major win. No hyperbole.

[CJackson]

Trump and Bill Clinton both frequent fliers on "Lolita Express". Both friends of Jeffrey Epstein. Google his name if you don't know how twisted and evil this man is. Both Trump and Bill Clinton are pedophiles. One man is running for president, the other man was our beloved president of 8 years, and is on his way back to the White House with his wife who has consistently either turned a blind eye, or has helped him cover this up time and again. She probably has molested children herself, and I'm not joking.

Lesson learned: do not underestimate the deception and the evil and the perversions that extremely wealthy, powerful and well-connected people often practice amongst themselves and away from the public eye. This was all much easier to hide years ago, wasn't it? What else are they hiding??

Bottom line is both candidates and both parties are WRETCHED. No one should be excited for either of them. This is disgusting. I just can't sit here and watch people defend either person anymore. We've all been brainwashed, man. Look at this leadership....

Bill, I already mapped this out in prior pages and nailed both Trump and Bill for being Epstein buddies. They are BOTH Pedophiles.

Hillary can keep Bill locked in the basement for all I care. It is an unfortunate fact of this campaign that both families have pedophiles.

But I'm not voting for Melania or Bill.

Trump would be Pedophile in Chief.

Hillary would be Wife of Pedophile in Chief.

That is something I can agree on where both suck, but one is vastly better than the other when it comes to this issue.

I would sit out the election now if this was Bill vs. Donald, but it is not. It is Hillary vs. Donald and I'm voting for her.

[GONYK]

Trump has been paying himself from monies donated to his campaign.

Unless someone thinks him charging his own campaign triple rent to use space in Trump towers is not self-dealing.

Plus, he used money from charitable funds to buy off an elected official in Florida to the tune of a quarter million dollars.

Between his handing of campaign finances and the thousands he has defrauded through his businesses, the one thing I don't think there is any doubt about is how much worse of a rip-off artist Trump would be as president than Clinton.

It is not even close at this point. The guy has been a brazen thief so long it is all going to blow up in his face now.

Are you excited about Clinton? Or is it a lesser of two evils thing?

Not excited. I've explained this numerous times though.

In short, the lesser of two evils argument or the constant refrain of they both suck is a dumbing down of clear distinctions between the candidates.

I pretty much know what to expect from Clinton. What I like or consider acceptable in terms of status quo for 4-8 years is:

possibility of decisive action on clean energy and climate controls
possibility of reform of obamacare into something more affordable (I know she wants this and it will happen with a dem congress)
appointment of centrist supreme court judges
respect for existence of constitutional principles
granting citizenship to hard-working, tax paying immigrants who've been here for many years and raised families here
not prone to using fears of terrorism to get her way
has clearly addressed need for prison reform, bad conviction laws and need for proper police oversight
competency
Has some actual moral stances I can agree (NO, being a crafty, self-dealing, wheeling and dealing politician does not mean I have to like them personally in order to acknowledge they are on the right side of some issues and that does mean they are right morally in some ways publicly while maybe being a bit shady privately; THAT'S LIFE in the Republic, I'm a realist). She is not completely depraved. Sorry Charlie. She is deeply flawed. Big difference

Would I don't like about Clinton:

Her husband is a very mixed bag (I like some things about him and find him otherwise a despicable human being; I do not think she is Bill though nor is responsible for all of his actions)
may not follow up on closing up corporate tax loopholes (yes, she is too cozy with Wall street)
hoping she is not overly hawkish to the detriment of our country

What I don't like about Trump:

Everything. He is a human dumpster fire of a person and all of his policies are stupid
Incompetent
Completely morally depraved human being
Believes in nothing but himself
Will not govern, but will hand over governmental fiefdoms to countless evil douchebags
He's a fuqqing idiot
Loss of all respect internationally
Tanking of the U.S. economy
Idiot projects like the Wall
Encourages worst behavior in Americans imaginable. Already showing up at the grade school level.
Vengeance politics
Extreme contempt for constitutional law and our bill of rights. He's a fascist

Fair summary, and I agree for the most part.

Another thing that isn't considered very often, is that Clinton will return power to the Democratic apparatus. By that, I mean that ever since Obama took office, he has maintained his own political machine, which had separate sources of funding and largely operated outside of the DNC. Obama's administration believed that his best course of action was to mobilize his supporters and empower them to take action from outside the Beltway.

That had its ups and its downs, but the main downside is that a large part of the Obama coalition are young voters (which are now the Bernie base). Those voters tend to be fickle. Combine that with Obama funding his organization independently, and that lead to Dems getting slaughtered in off-year elections.

Hillary will work within the party apparatus, and that could lead to the party as a whole being stronger at the state level, instead of just the White House.

I honestly think she will govern closer to what Romney was thought to be. I could live with that as long as she nominates left leaning SC judges.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump and Bill Clinton both frequent fliers on "Lolita Express". Both friends of Jeffrey Epstein. Google his name if you don't know how twisted and evil this man is. Both Trump and Bill Clinton are pedophiles. One man is running for president, the other man was our beloved president of 8 years, and is on his way back to the White House with his wife who has consistently either turned a blind eye, or has helped him cover this up time and again. She probably has molested children herself, and I'm not joking.

Lesson learned: do not underestimate the deception and the evil and the perversions that extremely wealthy, powerful and well-connected people often practice amongst themselves and away from the public eye. This was all much easier to hide years ago, wasn't it? What else are they hiding??

Bottom line is both candidates and both parties are WRETCHED. No one should be excited for either of them. This is disgusting. I just can't sit here and watch people defend either person anymore. We've all been brainwashed, man. Look at this leadership....

Trump was going to use the Epstein angle against Bill and now they're both caught up in it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

[CJackson]

Are you excited about Clinton? Or is it a lesser of two evils thing?

Not excited. I've explained this numerous times though.

In short, the lesser of two evils argument or the constant refrain of they both suck is a dumbing down of clear distinctions between the candidates.

I pretty much know what to expect from Clinton. What I like or consider acceptable in terms of status quo for 4-8 years is:

possibility of decisive action on clean energy and climate controls
possibility of reform of obamacare into something more affordable (I know she wants this and it will happen with a dem congress)
appointment of centrist supreme court judges
respect for existence of constitutional principles
granting citizenship to hard-working, tax paying immigrants who've been here for many years and raised families here
not prone to using fears of terrorism to get her way
has clearly addressed need for prison reform, bad conviction laws and need for proper police oversight
competency
Has some actual moral stances I can agree (NO, being a crafty, self-dealing, wheeling and dealing politician does not mean I have to like them personally in order to acknowledge they are on the right side of some issues and that does mean they are right morally in some ways publicly while maybe being a bit shady privately; THAT'S LIFE in the Republic, I'm a realist). She is not completely depraved. Sorry Charlie. She is deeply flawed. Big difference

Would I don't like about Clinton:

Her husband is a very mixed bag (I like some things about him and find him otherwise a despicable human being; I do not think she is Bill though nor is responsible for all of his actions)
may not follow up on closing up corporate tax loopholes (yes, she is too cozy with Wall street)
hoping she is not overly hawkish to the detriment of our country

What I don't like about Trump:

Everything. He is a human dumpster fire of a person and all of his policies are stupid
Incompetent
Completely morally depraved human being
Believes in nothing but himself
Will not govern, but will hand over governmental fiefdoms to countless evil douchebags
He's a fuqqing idiot
Loss of all respect internationally
Tanking of the U.S. economy
Idiot projects like the Wall
Encourages worst behavior in Americans imaginable. Already showing up at the grade school level.
Vengeance politics
Extreme contempt for constitutional law and our bill of rights. He's a fascist

Fair summary, and I agree for the most part.

Another thing that isn't considered very often, is that Clinton will return power to the Democratic apparatus. By that, I mean that ever since Obama took office, he has maintained his own political machine, which had separate sources of funding and largely operated outside of the DNC. Obama's administration believed that his best course of action was to mobilize his supporters and empower them to take action from outside the Beltway.

That had its ups and its downs, but the main downside is that a large part of the Obama coalition are young voters (which are now the Bernie base). Those voters tend to be fickle. Combine that with Obama funding his organization independently, and that lead to Dems getting slaughtered in off-year elections.

Hillary will work within the party apparatus, and that could lead to the party as a whole being stronger at the state level, instead of just the White House.

I honestly think she will govern closer to what Romney was thought to be. I could live with that as long as she nominates left leaning SC judges.

Yes. This election is really even more important now than before because Trump's implosion and the meltdown of the GOP means we can actually have the possibility of effective government for a change. If the dog whistle solicitations of the GOP these past decades weren't enough to sink that party then citizens being fed up with their raison d'etre of outright obstructionism is part of the drift away from the GOP by reasonable people.

[CJackson]

Trump and Bill Clinton both frequent fliers on "Lolita Express". Both friends of Jeffrey Epstein. Google his name if you don't know how twisted and evil this man is. Both Trump and Bill Clinton are pedophiles. One man is running for president, the other man was our beloved president of 8 years, and is on his way back to the White House with his wife who has consistently either turned a blind eye, or has helped him cover this up time and again. She probably has molested children herself, and I'm not joking.

Lesson learned: do not underestimate the deception and the evil and the perversions that extremely wealthy, powerful and well-connected people often practice amongst themselves and away from the public eye. This was all much easier to hide years ago, wasn't it? What else are they hiding??

Bottom line is both candidates and both parties are WRETCHED. No one should be excited for either of them. This is disgusting. I just can't sit here and watch people defend either person anymore. We've all been brainwashed, man. Look at this leadership....

Trump was going to use the Epstein angle against Bill and now they're both caught up in it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

Trump's stupidity is epic. He out-stupids anyone I've ever seen. His lust for vengeance leads him into dead-end alleys with nowhere to turn. He deserves this.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump and Bill Clinton both frequent fliers on "Lolita Express". Both friends of Jeffrey Epstein. Google his name if you don't know how twisted and evil this man is. Both Trump and Bill Clinton are pedophiles. One man is running for president, the other man was our beloved president of 8 years, and is on his way back to the White House with his wife who has consistently either turned a blind eye, or has helped him cover this up time and again. She probably has molested children herself, and I'm not joking.

Lesson learned: do not underestimate the deception and the evil and the perversions that extremely wealthy, powerful and well-connected people often practice amongst themselves and away from the public eye. This was all much easier to hide years ago, wasn't it? What else are they hiding??

Bottom line is both candidates and both parties are WRETCHED. No one should be excited for either of them. This is disgusting. I just can't sit here and watch people defend either person anymore. We've all been brainwashed, man. Look at this leadership....

Trump was going to use the Epstein angle against Bill and now they're both caught up in it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

Trump's stupidity is epic. He out-stupids anyone I've ever seen. His lust for vengeance leads him into dead-end alleys with nowhere to turn. He deserves this.

He is bigly dumb. Very bigly.