The Official Lin Net Thread

[Appwrangler]

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Despite the fact Lin will likely end up in the Hall of Fame by the end of his career...

Wait, what?

[steady]

I don't really have a beef with McHale - he seems an okay guy who had some tough decisions to make, not my choice for a coach but hey there are worse.

I am just not a fan of having him held up as the coach who knows Lin's game best // cause he obviously did not appreciate Lin's strengths as well as other coaches have. They were just a little bit oil and water. Plus I really disliked how he handled the whole benching thing and think it's just human nature for him to want to say Lin was not that good before ...

[Prokorov]

Why? Especially if they start Lin/Foye/RHJ/Booker/Brook

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]

I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.

its not so much that lopez is bad.... its that his limitations REALLY put pressure on the other 4 guys:

he cant switch on to smalls, which means we have to either help on every screen he is involved in, or trail/trap every screen he is involved in. and he is poor at trapping, so its usually trail.

he is very cumbersome, so while he does a good job preventing FG's at the rim when he is already near the rim, he isnt very good at being a rim protector in the sense that he cant often help and get in position to protect them rim in help situations.

in order to combat his slowness, he uses this low crouch, making him go from 7 feet to like 6'4" taking his size out of the equation.

we are always dead last defending threes because we have to have our wings pinch in on 1-5 screens all the time. leaves the perimeter threes open. all 7 coaches had no awnser for this. its the biggest problem with lopez.

put 3 or 4 excellent defenders around lopez and he probably looks solid on D. but his limitations really hurt you if you dont. and we certainly dont

[GoodDayLa]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

[GoodDayLa]

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Despite the fact Lin will likely end up in the Hall of Fame by the end of his career...

Wait, what?

Haha, sounds insane today, I know. Give it 15 years.

[Prokorov]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Harden has a much bigger impact on wins then Lin. in fact only 4 or 5 players have a bigger impact on wins then harden does.

Mentioning lin and the hall of fame is a joke. if you took his career year, projected i PEr36 and he did that for say 8 or 10 straight years he still wouldnt be close to HoF numbers

[ChokeFasncists]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Harden has a much bigger impact on wins then Lin. in fact only 4 or 5 players have a bigger impact on wins then harden does.

Mentioning lin and the hall of fame is a joke. if you took his career year, projected i PEr36 and he did that for say 8 or 10 straight years he still wouldnt be close to HoF numbers

True. ~lol~

Who knows about the future tho?

OTOH, take away the whistle, Harden is much less effective, take into consideration his problems on the other end and off the court, there's a chance I guess.

[ChokeFasncists]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

Whatever, we shall see.

[ChokeFasncists]

because we were 30th in defense last year and the 2 main reasons for that are still here[lopez/bogs]

I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.

its not so much that lopez is bad.... its that his limitations REALLY put pressure on the other 4 guys:

he cant switch on to smalls, which means we have to either help on every screen he is involved in, or trail/trap every screen he is involved in. and he is poor at trapping, so its usually trail.

he is very cumbersome, so while he does a good job preventing FG's at the rim when he is already near the rim, he isnt very good at being a rim protector in the sense that he cant often help and get in position to protect them rim in help situations.

in order to combat his slowness, he uses this low crouch, making him go from 7 feet to like 6'4" taking his size out of the equation.

we are always dead last defending threes because we have to have our wings pinch in on 1-5 screens all the time. leaves the perimeter threes open. all 7 coaches had no awnser for this. its the biggest problem with lopez.

put 3 or 4 excellent defenders around lopez and he probably looks solid on D. but his limitations really hurt you if you dont. and we certainly dont

I do understand that it's a big weakness but does the starters' defense deserve the label "putrid" just cuz of it?

[Vae Victus]

GoodDayLA... you need to knock off the hyperbole man. You're making a hardcore Lin fan like myself get nauseous reading your ranting. I've gotten banned from my share of bball boards for daring to defend and cheerlead for Lin, but my god ive never come close to some of the craziness you've spouted so far. Be optimistic that Lin can be a great player sure, but that he'd be a shoe in as a HOF legend... come on man, wtf is up with you. If you keep yammering on the way you are youre pretty much confirming yourself as a Lin "stealth troll" incessently pumping the crap out of Lin to piss people off.

You've annoyed the hell out of me for awhile but i didnt want to call you out, thinking maybe you'd tone down the rhetoric. However at this point you've pretty much confirmed in my mind you're a LOH stealth troll, unless you do the right thing and back down and say. "It's all good guys, sorry for being hyper unrealistically optimistic, go Lin, and lets hope he proves all the doubters wrong!"

[Prokorov]

I knew that Bogs was atrociously bad but is Lopez bad too? I thought he was average on defense.

its not so much that lopez is bad.... its that his limitations REALLY put pressure on the other 4 guys:

he cant switch on to smalls, which means we have to either help on every screen he is involved in, or trail/trap every screen he is involved in. and he is poor at trapping, so its usually trail.

he is very cumbersome, so while he does a good job preventing FG's at the rim when he is already near the rim, he isnt very good at being a rim protector in the sense that he cant often help and get in position to protect them rim in help situations.

in order to combat his slowness, he uses this low crouch, making him go from 7 feet to like 6'4" taking his size out of the equation.

we are always dead last defending threes because we have to have our wings pinch in on 1-5 screens all the time. leaves the perimeter threes open. all 7 coaches had no awnser for this. its the biggest problem with lopez.

put 3 or 4 excellent defenders around lopez and he probably looks solid on D. but his limitations really hurt you if you dont. and we certainly dont

I do understand that it's a big weakness but does the starters' defense deserve the label "putrid" just cuz of it?

yes. we werent the worst team in the league last year because of some fluke. foye and booker help, but they arent elite defenders. its one of those things hard to see on paper... lopez isnt a bad defender, but he really makes it an uphill battle to be good defensively as a team. you just cant do the things you need to succeed defensively in todays nba with him at center.

the year he got hurt and KG was center it was night and day for us defensively, especially against the 3pt shot

[GoodDayLa]

GoodDayLA... you need to knock off the hyperbole man. You're making a hardcore Lin fan like myself get nauseous reading your ranting. I've gotten banned from my share of bball boards for daring to defend and cheerlead for Lin, but my god ive never come close to some of the craziness you've spouted so far. Be optimistic that Lin can be a great player sure, but that he'd be a shoe in as a HOF legend... come on man, wtf is up with you. If you keep yammering on the way you are youre pretty much confirming yourself as a Lin "stealth troll" incessently pumping the crap out of Lin to piss people off.

You've annoyed the hell out of me for awhile but i didnt want to call you out, thinking maybe you'd tone down the rhetoric. However at this point you've pretty much confirmed in my mind you're a LOH stealth troll, unless you do the right thing and back down and say. "It's all good guys, sorry for being hyper unrealistically optimistic, go Lin, and lets hope he proves all the doubters wrong!"

Annoying you isn't my concern. Voice your concerns to the moderators here.

That hall of fame thing is probably a bit too out there for most to comprehend today. But let me explain. It's not so much Lin, but the fact I think the NBA will want him in there if he has 5-6 good seasons coming up, 3 of which are All star seasons. Look at Yao, he was a stiff with some good offensive years but horrible defense and a non impactful career overall. He's only in the NBA HOF because he's from China and he was the first from China and the NBA uses him to promote NBA China in a big way. It's strategic. Same with Lin, they'll want to stick the first Asian American all star in the HOF just to do it and hope he is a huge NBA ambassador across Asia. You don't think they'll wan to add HOF to Lin's resume to give him the clout if Lin actually made 3 all star teams and had a couple stellar years? Don't kid yourself.

I think it's ok to cheerlead Lin as long as it's backed up with some actual justification, which I've tried to establish. I am not in here just saying Lin is Jordan and that he is the best ever better than Lebron and dribbles better than everyone and shoots better than Curry.

I think Lin is effective, has a somewhat vanilla game, a predictable handle, and sometimes awkward moves. That's why he needs the PnR and a 3 point shot to masks those shortcomings. But that doesn't mean I have to pretend I don't think what I do to appease the likes of you. He's extremely efficient, heady, and blessed with the ability to drive the basketball at the NBA level. Most guys who are efficient and heady can't drive which is what separates Lin from the pack.

When the season ends, follow up with me on my crazy talk. I've been doing this for years. People typically find me even MORE ANNOYING or actually dissappear when I followup and stick it back in their face when I get it right.

But I don't need validation. I"m just posting what I believe to be patently obvious. And since there's a timestamp it makes things more interesting when it's played out.

[GoodDayLa]

I disagree with the Lin fans I see online and on twitter acting as if Lin is going to shoot 70%. That's setting Lin up for failure. He's a serviceable 3 point shooter who will always be hot and cold. That's why he's 0-3 in this Boston game from deep.

HIs bread and butter is delivering under pressure and using the PnR and driving and putting pressure on the defense with the ball in his hand to score or pass for an open shot.

[13th Man]

Well get ready to call Lin a failure because there's no way in hell that he's going to help lead this team into the playoffs.

[13th Man]

I disagree with the Lin fans I see online and on twitter acting as if Lin is going to shoot 70%. That's setting Lin up for failure. He's a serviceable 3 point shooter who will always be hot and cold. That's why he's 0-3 in this Boston game from deep.

HIs bread and butter is delivering under pressure and using the PnR and driving and putting pressure on the defense with the ball in his hand to score or pass for an open shot.

Who the hell is predicting for him to shoot 70%? Keep in mind that many of us don't visit the dedicated Lin sites, I don't want to imagine what type of stuff gets posted there.

[GoodDayLa]

Well get ready to call Lin a failure because there's no way in hell that he's going to help lead this team into the playoffs.

looking forward to it

[lin is ok]

pretty hard now to make to playoffs , our bench PG is in shambles.

[leeramundo]

I'm here to assure everyone that as a Lin fan, I'm not under the delusion that Lin is even close to being likely to become a HOFer. All I'd hope for is for him to string together a few near all-star seasons, and maybe even 1 legitimate all-star season. If he does that, I'd consider his career a great success. He's an undrafted guy out of Harvard, who most people didn't even think would be in the NBA at all. He's really overachieving already if he does what I said, anything more than that I would be ecstatic. BTW, not agreeing that Lin is going to average 70% shooting is nothing to brag about.

[uballer]

It makes me wonder if GoodDayLA is a troll.

[leeramundo]

I'm here to assure everyone that as a Lin fan, I'm not under the delusion that Lin is even close to being likely to become a HOFer. All I'd hope for is for him to string together a few near all-star seasons, and maybe even 1 legitimate all-star season. If he does that, I'd consider his career a great success. He's an undrafted guy out of Harvard, who most people didn't even think would be in the NBA at all. He's really overachieving already if he does what I said, anything more than that I would be ecstatic. BTW, not agreeing that Lin is going to average 70% shooting is nothing to brag about.

Also there is no comparison to Yao, Yao was the best center in the league for a couple of years. Lin has never been the best at his position nor will he.