OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[chifan1798]

She was investigated by the FBI and they found no criminal wrong doing. Colin Powell also had a private email server were was the investigation on that? Spineless in what way? Syria were after the President talked about the red line republicans in Congress said they would make it difficult for him to use military force.

Iraq/ISIS, when was Iraq going to have the military ability to handle those situations by itself? How long would they needed to further have a large number of U.S. troops 10, 20 years, indefinitely? For such a tough guy he sure won't say anything bad about Russia. Russia's history of hacking large American business and government sites long before the DNC hack. The annexing of Crimea.

I don't think people realize how deep the Clinton/Bush families really are in the US. She was never investigated. Please don't believe everything you hear.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/13/fbi-doj-roiled-by-comey-lynch-decision-to-let-clinton-slide-by-on-emails-says-insider.html

Look, I get it, both are not the best candidates out there, but Trump is literally the only hope in this election for some sort of positive change.

Hillary will push the envelope with Russia and that is a war we do not want to be in. As an aside, reading through the Podesta emails, the entire system is beyond a sham. From CTR, to the media, to even the current administration, it's all VERY evident without a shadow of a doubt that Hillary is cheating her way to the whitehouse. I can't vote for that.

I don't care if Trump is foul mouthed, or has temperament issues. I'm not electing a Sunday school teacher but rather a leader of a country. I want my leader to be a dick to administrations who oppose him. I want him to get the upper hand in negotiations. Most of all I want him to be fair to his people. Trump may be a jackass but he's a fair jackass. The Hill is literally the biggest two-faced POS I have ever seen run for office. She will defecate on the middle class while lining pockets with money from her interests in SA/Iran and warmongering with Russia and China.

Lol, "his" people are the mega millionaires and billionaires.....not you and me.....but hey, only Hillary is capable of lining pockets. If by "fair" you mean he's a jackass to everyone, then I guess I can agree with that, but I don't want a jackass for president. I don't want a jackass meeting with world leaders and pissing them off to the point where it becomes detrimental to us. He incites violence at rallies, you think he wouldn't do that with countries? And he'll be sending our sons and daughters out there to war, not his own. This guy is a ticking time bomb.....he's unpredictable, immature, and he's too narcissistic to listen to what anyone has to say. Why do you think this guy has changed the leaders of his campaign like three times already? If he doesn't like what someone else says, he just keeps getting rid of folks until he gets his "yes men". No one can tell this guy anything because he thinks he is right. "No one treats women better than me"......"I know more than the generals"......etc etc. How do people not find that dangerous? He thinks he knows everything, when he doesn't even know how to treat people. This guy is telling people what they want to hear, and many have fallen for it.

[the ultimates]

He's going to be much more fair to those "needy latinos" (Hillary's own words) than Hillary will be.

Yes, he will also be fair to women. Do you genuinely think he is just going to oppress women? If this is about his comments, then if my career was based on the comments I made about random women I was with 12yrs ago I'd be homeless.

Look at our boy Billy...He was fair to women, right?

Watch on YouTube

What does what Bill did have anything to do with Trump?

The only reason people keep bringing up Bill is to show Hillary's hypocrisy. You do remember how much she attacked the accusers and defended her husband back then, don't you? Yet now she is playing the woman card.

So when it happens to her family, gloves are off. When it happens to her opponent, "call CNN!" - This hypocrisy applies to ALL of her campaign. She is hammering in the hispanic vote, but behind closed doors is strategizing how to appease needy latinos. She says she pro women, but calls the majority of the middle class deplorables. She literally called the people working FOR HER CAMPAIGN @ CTR virgin nerds.

It's really sickening.

A wife getting upset at a woman who says she slept with her husband has nothing to do with being pro woman or the women's card. That's a natural reaction from most women. Clinton has sponsored programs and been a part of legislation that has helped minorities including women and Hispanics.

[coldfish]

She was investigated by the FBI and they found no criminal wrong doing. Colin Powell also had a private email server were was the investigation on that? Spineless in what way? Syria were after the President talked about the red line republicans in Congress said they would make it difficult for him to use military force.

Iraq/ISIS, when was Iraq going to have the military ability to handle those situations by itself? How long would they needed to further have a large number of U.S. troops 10, 20 years, indefinitely? For such a tough guy he sure won't say anything bad about Russia. Russia's history of hacking large American business and government sites long before the DNC hack. The annexing of Crimea.

I don't think people realize how deep the Clinton/Bush families really are in the US. She was never investigated. Please don't believe everything you hear.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/13/fbi-doj-roiled-by-comey-lynch-decision-to-let-clinton-slide-by-on-emails-says-insider.html

Look, I get it, both are not the best candidates out there, but Trump is literally the only hope in this election for some sort of positive change.

Hillary will push the envelope with Russia and that is a war we do not want to be in. As an aside, reading through the Podesta emails, the entire system is beyond a sham. From CTR, to the media, to even the current administration, it's all VERY evident without a shadow of a doubt that Hillary is cheating her way to the whitehouse. I can't vote for that.

I don't care if Trump is foul mouthed, or has temperament issues. I'm not electing a Sunday school teacher but rather a leader of a country. I want my leader to be a dick to administrations who oppose him. I want him to get the upper hand in negotiations. Most of all I want him to be fair to his people. Trump may be a jackass but he's a fair jackass. The Hill is literally the biggest two-faced POS I have ever seen run for office. She will defecate on the middle class while lining pockets with money from her interests in SA/Iran and warmongering with Russia and China.

Lol, "his" people are the mega millionaires and billionaires.....not you and me.....but hey, only Hillary is capable of lining pockets. If by "fair" you mean he's a jackass to everyone, then I guess I can agree with that, but I don't want a jackass for president. I don't want a jackass meeting with world leaders and pissing them off to the point where it becomes detrimental to us. He incites violence at rallies, you think he wouldn't do that with countries? And he'll be sending our sons and daughters out there to war, not his own. This guy is a ticking time bomb.....he's unpredictable, immature, and he's too narcissistic to listen to what anyone has to say. Why do you think this guy has changed the leaders of his campaign like three times already? If he doesn't like what someone else says, he just keeps getting rid of folks until he gets his "yes men". No one can tell this guy anything because he thinks he is right. "No one treats women better than me"......"I know more than the generals"......etc etc. How do people not find that dangerous? He thinks he knows everything, when he doesn't even know how to treat people. This guy is telling people what they want to hear, and many have fallen for it.

TBH, I get both view points on this.

On one hand, I really do think Trump has struck a nerve on a number of issues. Party elites in both parties don't give a rat's ass about most of the country. If Trump wasn't a complete jackass, we would be talking about Hillary's speeches to wall street right now. The US does need some fresh blood and Trump is clearly not part of the political class that has ruled this country for the past 50 years. Honestly, I think Eisenhower may have been the last. Many of the people who support Trump focus on this and are willing to overlook the fact that . . .

He is a complete freaking nut job. As the days go by, he convinces me more and more that he is outright unstable in his narcissism. As chifan says, he might fire every general that disagrees with him and then sign deals with every country that flatters him personally.

So, yeah, we should elect an outsider and clean house a little. Just not this outsider.

Kinda wish Elizabeth Warren had run. As an economic conservative, I'm even surprised I would write that. She has Bernie's bent with a lot more polish and intellect (IMHO). On the republican side, Rand Paul is a good outsider but he could never get any traction and has some issues of his own. Not a great personality either.

[DuckIII]

Anyone can quote Huffington Post and New York Times to make Trump look bad. None of these things are going to dissuade Trump supporters, because they (we) know that this race is less about Republican vs. Democrat and more about the rage against the political and media establishment, crony capitalism, and corruption.

I'll stick with Breitbart and Drudge myself.

That's great. Except that Trump actively benefits from crony capitalism-- has lobbied for bigger tax breaks for rich real estate developers like himself, and has benefited from those breaks-- ; he's corrupt as heck, if corruption includes lying for profit, scamming investors and customers, buying influence, and using one's own influence to bully others (and it's hard to see how the definition of corruption could exclude those things); he's been a reality TV star for the media establishment, and has done countless self-serving interviews with that same establishment. And he's been in bed with the political establishment for years. (He did, after all brag about getting politicians such as Bill and Hillary to attend his wedding because he knew they wanted his contributions.)

In other words: right message; WRONG messenger.

That's old news, and it was talked about during the primary debates.

If he was ever so entrenched in the media and political establishments, why are these establishments just now so hell-bent on making sure he loses the election?

Because he is a repugnant child supported by marginalized racists, xenophobes and mysogynists.

[chifan1798]

Lol, "his" people are the mega millionaires and billionaires.....not you and me.....but hey, only Hillary is capable of lining pockets. If by "fair" you mean he's a jackass to everyone, then I guess I can agree with that, but I don't want a jackass for president. I don't want a jackass meeting with world leaders and pissing them off to the point where it becomes detrimental to us. He incites violence at rallies, you think he wouldn't do that with countries? And he'll be sending our sons and daughters out there to war, not his own. This guy is a ticking time bomb.....he's unpredictable, immature, and he's too narcissistic to listen to what anyone has to say. Why do you think this guy has changed the leaders of his campaign like three times already? If he doesn't like what someone else says, he just keeps getting rid of folks until he gets his "yes men". No one can tell this guy anything because he thinks he is right. "No one treats women better than me"......"I know more than the generals"......etc etc. How do people not find that dangerous? He thinks he knows everything, when he doesn't even know how to treat people. This guy is telling people what they want to hear, and many have fallen for it.

TBH, I get both view points on this.

On one hand, I really do think Trump has struck a nerve on a number of issues. Party elites in both parties don't give a rat's ass about most of the country. If Trump wasn't a complete jackass, we would be talking about Hillary's speeches to wall street right now. The US does need some fresh blood and Trump is clearly not part of the political class that has ruled this country for the past 50 years. Honestly, I think Eisenhower may have been the last. Many of the people who support Trump focus on this and are willing to overlook the fact that . . .

He is a complete freaking nut job. As the days go by, he convinces me more and more that he is outright unstable in his narcissism. As chifan says, he might fire every general that disagrees with him and then sign deals with every country that flatters him personally.

So, yeah, we should elect an outsider and clean house a little. Just not this outsider.

Kinda wish Elizabeth Warren had run. As an economic conservative, I'm even surprised I would write that. She has Bernie's bent with a lot more polish and intellect (IMHO). On the republican side, Rand Paul is a good outsider but he could never get any traction and has some issues of his own. Not a great personality either.

Yeah, I get why people wouldn't trust Hillary, but her competition is just so much worse. Initially when he was running, when he said outrageous things, it angered me, but I didn't think too much of it...but like you said, that narcissism keeps rearing it's ugly head.

[SHO'NUFF]

That's great. Except that Trump actively benefits from crony capitalism-- has lobbied for bigger tax breaks for rich real estate developers like himself, and has benefited from those breaks-- ; he's corrupt as heck, if corruption includes lying for profit, scamming investors and customers, buying influence, and using one's own influence to bully others (and it's hard to see how the definition of corruption could exclude those things); he's been a reality TV star for the media establishment, and has done countless self-serving interviews with that same establishment. And he's been in bed with the political establishment for years. (He did, after all brag about getting politicians such as Bill and Hillary to attend his wedding because he knew they wanted his contributions.)

In other words: right message; WRONG messenger.

That's old news, and it was talked about during the primary debates.

If he was ever so entrenched in the media and political establishments, why are these establishments just now so hell-bent on making sure he loses the election?

Because he is a repugnant child supported by marginalized racists, xenophobes and mysogynists.

....and me. Trump supporter here!!

[gardenofsound]

This thread was going so well...

Maybe the saddest thing that has happened to our country is the partisan news sources and news as entertainment.

I still trust the NYT and Washington Post. CNN, Fox News, Breitbart, Huffington Post, Drudge Report, MSNBC... All are news entertainment or have an explicitly stated agenda.

The result is a culture that only chooses to hear/read what it wants to. Lack of understanding between one another. Divided country.

It's sickening.

[DuckIII]

That's old news, and it was talked about during the primary debates.

If he was ever so entrenched in the media and political establishments, why are these establishments just now so hell-bent on making sure he loses the election?

Because he is a repugnant child supported by marginalized racists, xenophobes and mysogynists.

....and me. Trump supporter here!!

Yeah, but I like you. So I just assume you are doing it for the lulz.

[dice]

her main accomplishment is being a major player in securing basic health care for millions of american children, by the way. after being beaten down on health care in her husband's first term, she came back for more and got something done. also...

- negotiated a cease fire in the middle east
- championed women's rights around the globe, including during her husband's administration when those efforts were frowned upon
- copenhagen climate change
- largely responsible for sanctions on iran, including getting chy-na and russia to participate
- normalization of cuban relations
- pay equity act (whether token legislation or not)
- did a HELL of a lot for NY after 9/11, particularly for first responders when republicans didn't want to fully fund their health care (surprise, surprise)

she's worked her ass off. nobody disputes that.

I hesitate to even participate on this because any attack on Hillary is automatically viewed as support for Trump by some. This is actually the first time I have seen anyone actually say that Hillary has a long list of accomplishments.

except that i didn't say that. i listed some accomplishments. whether it's a "long list" i'm not sure

Just notes:
- the middle east situation deteriorated significantly when she was SOS.

ya think? the bush administration left a flaming bag of **** on its way out the door. the seeds had already been planted for vast swaths of iraq to be overrun by nutjobs. and so they did

Any ceasefire agreement she negotiated was a joke. Libya, Syria, Egypt, etc.

she didn't negotiate ceasefires in libya, syria and egypt. the syrian civil war (far and away the most consequential of the 3 situations) was/is virtually unpreventable by anyone outside syria. libya was a powder keg waiting to explode whether qaddafi was taken out or not. if he hadn't been there was a syria situation brewing. then libya refused international assistance in the aftermath. the benghazi nonsense didn't help

egypt?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-was-right-on-egypt/2016/01/28/fe7fe922-c609-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html?utm_term=.68ac1762539f

- Championing women's rights. That's an accomplishment? Talking about something is not an accomplishment.

guess MLK didn't accomplish much either then (and no, i'm not comparing them as speakers or motivators)

having the guts to do the right thing at a time when it was considered controversial, when people you respect are telling you not to, is an accomplishment. there's no telling how much impact that has had worldwide. that's leadership

- Copenhagen. Same thing. That was an empty piece of paper the day it was written.

achieving consensus on what is needed to address the problem is an achievement. particularly when china joins the chorus. identifying and recognizing a problem is the first step toward doing something about it

international climate change policy cannot be implemented practically. all you can do is appeal to common sense

- Iran? Seriously? They have extended their reach through the middle east over the past few years. Any dealings with Iran by the US have been abject failure lately.

without the sanctions there is no nukes agreement

- Cuba happened several years after she left

2+ years is not "several." and if you think those negotiations didn't TAKE several years, donald trump has a casino to sell ya

- Pay equity act. Again, token efforts.

already said that

Overall, she has an AWFUL list of accomplishments. The one time she was in charge of something (SOS) it went very poorly. Her time in the senate was non descript and she has no other leadership experience other than that. Virtually every governor who has ever been nominated to run for president has a longer list of leadership accomplishments.

except for her achievements for her state

she accomplished more as first lady of arkansas than many governors do. and SCHIP alone was more important than the ENTIRETY of most governors' achievements

3) glass-steagall reversal, while quite possibly a bad thing, is not thought to have contributed to the financial meltdown of 2008

Dice, I know from my dealings with you that you are a smart guy. Do you seriously believe this? This reads like political spin. Glass Steagall prevented depositor banks from investing. Citibank, BoA, etc. all were coming up with crazy investment products and moving them around. It put up a firewall preventing the very thing that almost took down the global economy. I don't know how someone could write that with a straight face.

talk to the economists, not me. we all know that subprime mortgage meltdown was the central force. and most of the lenders of those loans were not even banks. and even the major BANKS who created many of the toxic derivatives were still operating as investment banks, just as they had been prior to glass steagall repeal

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/19/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-glass-steagall-had-nothing-do-financi/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/14/448685233/fact-check-did-glass-steagall-cause-the-2008-financial-crisis

add her impact in the decision to take out bin laden, btw. how consequential that was is up for debate

[DuckIII]

It's an unfortunate truth, but debating Hillary Clinton's qualities isn't even relevant anymore. It's all about Trump and whether he should be POTUS. And we all know he should not be.

Right coldfish? I mean you agree with that part yeah? That Trump shouldn't be POTUS?

I was prepared to vote Rebublican in a Presidential election in 2004 if Hillary won the primary. I have always gone Dem in POTUS elections but would have made an exception if it was McCain v. Clinton. Not a Hillary fan. And unlike Trump, McCain is an honorable American (not according to Trump though, he likes to rank the quality of tortured veterans based on whether or not they got caught, despite being a pussy who dodged armed service and who blasts the family of dead veterans - my god he is such a huge piece of ****, but I digress).

But Trump? The fact we are even discussing him is like the end of a Scooby Doo episode, except the mask being pulled off is one worn by America.

[RedBulls23]

It's an unfortunate truth, but debating Hillary Clinton's qualities isn't even relevant anymore. It's all about Trump and whether he should be POTUS. And we all know he should not be.

Right coldfish? I mean you agree with that part yeah? That Trump shouldn't be POTUS?

I was prepared to vote Rebublican in a Presidential election in 2004 if Hillary won the primary. I have always gone Dem in POTUS elections but would have made an exception if it was McCain v. Clinton. Not a Hillary fan. And unlike Trump, McCain is an honorable American (not according to Trump though, he likes to rank the quality of tortured veterans based on whether or not they got caught, despite being a pussy who dodged armed service and who blasts the family of dead veterans - my god he is such a huge piece of ****, but I digress).

But Trump? The fact we are even discussing him is like the end of a Scooby Doo episode, except the mask being pulled off is one worn by America.

My thoughts exactly. If Mccain or maybe even Romney were running on the republican card right now I would very likely vote for them over Hillary.

But Trump? It's sickening how his supporters have defended EVERY disgusting thing he has said and done. Deflecting his nonsense instead of putting blame on him.

I seriously can't wait till this election is over, but I will take some joy in seeing him get his ass handed to him when he loses in a land slide.

[League Circles]

I have always thought and still think that Trump may yield a better outcome in terms of the state of the country than Hilary. Either because he proves he was being a little more outrageous than he really is (unlikely) and makes food trade deals etc or because how bad he is will finally shock america back into sanity (somewhat likely).

Clinton I see as a virtual lock to continue in the same vein we've seen in all of the presidents in my lifetime starting in the 80s.

It's just that, the chance he MIGHT yield better results than hillary is not at all justification to vote for a childish narcissist who thinks he's super extra right on anything and everything. No way.

[coldfish]

Right coldfish? I mean you agree with that part yeah? That Trump shouldn't be POTUS?.

Right above you, I wrote this. I think my opinion on the matter is pretty clear.

TBH, I get both view points on this.

On one hand, I really do think Trump has struck a nerve on a number of issues. Party elites in both parties don't give a rat's ass about most of the country. If Trump wasn't a complete jackass, we would be talking about Hillary's speeches to wall street right now. The US does need some fresh blood and Trump is clearly not part of the political class that has ruled this country for the past 50 years. Honestly, I think Eisenhower may have been the last. Many of the people who support Trump focus on this and are willing to overlook the fact that . . .

He is a complete freaking nut job. As the days go by, he convinces me more and more that he is outright unstable in his narcissism. As chifan says, he might fire every general that disagrees with him and then sign deals with every country that flatters him personally.

So, yeah, we should elect an outsider and clean house a little. Just not this outsider.

Kinda wish Elizabeth Warren had run. As an economic conservative, I'm even surprised I would write that. She has Bernie's bent with a lot more polish and intellect (IMHO). On the republican side, Rand Paul is a good outsider but he could never get any traction and has some issues of his own. Not a great personality either.

IMO, Hillary is going to be president. I'm basically beyond debating Trump versus Hillary other than pointing out that people have reason to support Trump other than being racist. The issue is Hillary's downsides and as I have tried to explain, its hard to mitigate. She is in bed with the big money types. Normally you can limit the impact of a president by having the other party control congress but in this case, the republicans are ALSO in bed with big money. I worry that their "compromise" solutions will not be in most of the country's best interest.

[KissedByaRose1]

But Trump? The fact we are even discussing him is like the end of a Scooby Doo episode, except the mask being pulled off is one worn by America.

I could just read stuff you write all day at work 8 hours a day and it would never get old lol.

As far as the topic- been a R all my life and in the two elections I've been old enough I've voted for McCain/Romney. Wasn't crazy about either of them but they must as well be Jesus at this point. My only significant contribution to the 2016 election will be voting for Hilary (who i can't stand) and doing everything in my power to make sure that lunatic is no where near nuclear launch codes. Good grief.

[Flopper]

It just never ends with this guy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lied-donating-9-11-charities-article-1.2829908

Has there ever been a more despicable person in the running for a high-profile political office, let alone PotUS?

[Mech Engineer]

It just never ends with this guy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lied-donating-9-11-charities-article-1.2829908

Has there ever been a more despicable person in the running for a high-profile political office, let alone PotUS?

It will be interesting to see what happens to his businesses after the election. IMO, the "Trump" brand-name has been damaged and that has been a major part of his business. And, he is older now to regrow the whole brand. And, probably many loopholes he has used will be closed.


I can see him starting a modern version of Howard Stern type channel and another channel which caters to crazy political/nationalistic conspiracy theories.

[G I N T]

The leaked video did decide the election. That and the comments about some irrelevant Hispanic woman/former beauty pageant contestant from over 20 years ago. Take a look at the polling numbers before and after that happened. It shows where the voters' priorities are, and it's really sad that irrelevant nobodies like Alicia Machado and a behind-the-scenes private conversation about nothing to do with actual policies, decision-making, leadership, etc (you know, the stuff that actually does matter when electing a president) are determining a presidential election.

I have no problem with Clinton winning, even though I think she's garbage as a candidate. But to win off of silliness like "He's racist!" (that fat Machado woman) and "He's sexist!" (the leaked video) is where my problem is. Come on. There are much bigger issues facing the world/this country, and the election is essentially being decided off of things that could not matter less.

No it didn't. Listen to yourself, man. Are you serious? "that fat Machado woman"? Really? Obvious where you're coming from.

Look, if it wasn't those things, it would have been something else. Trump continues to implode more and more on a daily basis so it was just a matter of time. You aren't comprehending the real issue... that people just got a look into the man that Trump is. Just look at what Trump did to Obama with the birth certificate thing. Why? That doesn't really have anything to do with this election either. Bringing Paula Jones and those women to the debate and having his little "dog and pony show" with the press. What is this the Corleone's bringing Frank Pantangelo's brother into the courtroom to intimidate him on the stand? Only Trump. Jesus. THAT is the kind of crap that turns people off.

Policy-wise Trump is an idiot. What is he really running on? "Build the Wall".... 'Make America Great Again"... "Hire a Special Prosecutor to investigate his opponent if he wins" Hillary is no prize and the thought of her being the POTUS turns my stomach a little. But the thought of Trump as POTUS is just plain laughable.

It's like Duck said, it's just people showing who they are. Even here. Even you.

Not at all. Polling numbers showed a near even race prior to the Machado accusations. That gave Hillary a slight bump, and what absolutely sunk Trump was the leaked private conversation with Billy Bush from 2005. We're living in the year 2016, electing a person we want to be appointed to the highest office of the greatest and most powerful country in the world, and what decided the election were private comments made over a decade ago about his personal life. Pretty disgraceful if you ask me, especially when former presidents like Hillary's husband have been guilty of actually doing, not just saying, equally bad if not worse things. These things aren't relevant to the presidency.

Hillary, as Trump so eloquently pointed out many times during the second debate, is an absolute idiot when it comes to policy/decision-making. She's made one horrific deal after another as it relates to foreign policy, national security, the economy, the inner cities, etc. Not to mention she is by light years the single most corrupt candidate to ever run for office.

You won't hear me say anything about Obama and a shady past/corruption, because the truth is he was a completely clean candidate while running for office. I think he's a terrible president and has made dumb decisions, but that's a separate issue. Hillary has shown a shocking level of ineptitude and poor judgment AND has been continuously exposed by WikiLeaks and FoxNews for corruption of the highest order, unlike anything we have ever seen from a presidential candidate in American history.

Trump's negatives are that he says controversial things that offend people. Hillary's negatives are that she makes horrid decisions and breaks the law/commits crime and goes under FBI investigation due to her outrageous corruption.

It's a sad time in America when a candidate as horribly flawed as Hillary wins an election by a significant margin.

[DuckIII]

You realize the only reason such a deeply flawed candidate will win is because the alternative is frighteningly unhinged, hateful, childish, and completely lacking in experience, right? I.e. the "sad day" is caused by Trump and the buffoons who pushed him through the primary over candidates who might have actually had a chance to win a general elections.

Wow did the GOP **** this thing up badly. Hillary was beatable. Blame yourself.

[the ultimates]

The leaked video did decide the election. That and the comments about some irrelevant Hispanic woman/former beauty pageant contestant from over 20 years ago. Take a look at the polling numbers before and after that happened. It shows where the voters' priorities are, and it's really sad that irrelevant nobodies like Alicia Machado and a behind-the-scenes private conversation about nothing to do with actual policies, decision-making, leadership, etc (you know, the stuff that actually does matter when electing a president) are determining a presidential election.

I have no problem with Clinton winning, even though I think she's garbage as a candidate. But to win off of silliness like "He's racist!" (that fat Machado woman) and "He's sexist!" (the leaked video) is where my problem is. Come on. There are much bigger issues facing the world/this country, and the election is essentially being decided off of things that could not matter less.

No it didn't. Listen to yourself, man. Are you serious? "that fat Machado woman"? Really? Obvious where you're coming from.

Look, if it wasn't those things, it would have been something else. Trump continues to implode more and more on a daily basis so it was just a matter of time. You aren't comprehending the real issue... that people just got a look into the man that Trump is. Just look at what Trump did to Obama with the birth certificate thing. Why? That doesn't really have anything to do with this election either. Bringing Paula Jones and those women to the debate and having his little "dog and pony show" with the press. What is this the Corleone's bringing Frank Pantangelo's brother into the courtroom to intimidate him on the stand? Only Trump. Jesus. THAT is the kind of crap that turns people off.

Policy-wise Trump is an idiot. What is he really running on? "Build the Wall".... 'Make America Great Again"... "Hire a Special Prosecutor to investigate his opponent if he wins" Hillary is no prize and the thought of her being the POTUS turns my stomach a little. But the thought of Trump as POTUS is just plain laughable.

It's like Duck said, it's just people showing who they are. Even here. Even you.

Not at all. Polling numbers showed a near even race prior to the Machado accusations. That gave Hillary a slight bump, and what absolutely sunk Trump was the leaked private conversation with Billy Bush from 2005. We're living in the year 2016, electing a person we want to be appointed to the highest office of the greatest and most powerful country in the world, and what decided the election were private comments made over a decade ago about his personal life. Pretty disgraceful if you ask me, especially when former presidents like Hillary's husband have been guilty of actually doing, not just saying, equally bad if not worse things. These things aren't relevant to the presidency.

Hillary, as Trump so eloquently pointed out many times during the second debate, is an absolute idiot when it comes to policy/decision-making. She's made one horrific deal after another as it relates to foreign policy, national security, the economy, the inner cities, etc. Not to mention she is by light years the single most corrupt candidate to ever run for office.

You won't hear me say anything about Obama and a shady past/corruption, because the truth is he was a completely clean candidate while running for office. I think he's a terrible president and has made dumb decisions, but that's a separate issue. Hillary has shown a shocking level of ineptitude and poor judgment AND has been continuously exposed by WikiLeaks and FoxNews for corruption of the highest order, unlike anything we have ever seen from a presidential candidate in American history.

Trump's negatives are that he says controversial things that offend people. Hillary's negatives are that she makes horrid decisions and breaks the law/commits crime and goes under FBI investigation due to her outrageous corruption.

It's a sad time in America when a candidate as horribly flawed as Hillary wins an election by a significant margin.

What polls and numbers are you looking at?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-election

Looking at the projections from nate silvers website she actually trailed him in electoral votes on July 30th since then she's had a comfortable lead. The overall numbers indicate Trump was at his best in late July. I don't know where near even comes from.

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You realize the only reason such a deeply flawed candidate will win is because the alternative is frighteningly unhinged, hateful, childish, and completely lacking in experience, right? I.e. the "sad day" is caused by Trump and the buffoons who pushed him through the primary over candidates who might have actually a chance to win a general elections.

Wow did the GOP **** this thing up badly. Hillary was beatable. Blame yourself.

No disagreement here. Someone like Cruz or Rubio would have crushed Hillary, and deservedly so. However, it is a sad day for exactly that reason. Hillary is basically winning the election catering to a few specific demographics of voters - namely blacks/hispanics and women.

She's basically winning the election because the minorities are offended by Trump's illegal immigration views and the women are offended by comments he made ages ago in private about his personal life. None of this should overshadow the appalling ineptitude of Hillary, but it unfortunately is... which is a sad indictment on the American population of today.