The Official Lin Net Thread

[tonman]

points are meaningless. field goal attempts are better gauge as Lin should remain efficient 1.2+ pps. Therefore if Lin manages to shoot 15 fga, he should score 18-20 ppg.

but the fga may vary as I'd like to see 6-7 free throws per game. that means he's not in love with the three and is attacking.

so let's not get to carried away with points. for lin to be effective, he needs to make the defense play him and that will make his teammates job easier.

If the motion offense is deployed heavily, I'm not sure Lin will hit the high numbers that some believe he'll do easily.

It looks like Kenny wants a very balanced offense instead of just relying on Lin/Lopez to take half of the shot attempt.

I still think Lin could average about 16-17 point per game under a heavy motion offense system...not sure he can do 18-20 ppg unless he's given a good doze of PnR.

The other big caveat is his shooting...If he can be more consistent as a shooter, he' could get up to 20ppg.

again, you're so tied to scoring and shooting percentage. if he shoots at a high percentage, the defense will key on him and make him give up the ball. that's great in getting his teammates going but not great for scoring. he will need some easy baskets or transition baskets to score 20 ppg. that's why having the court spread is important. that is why having multiple scorers are important. not sure this team is good enough defensively to make stops and run or actually get out on the break and score.

[ChokeFasncists]

Atkinson did come out and say Lin was too much just part of the motion offense rather than be the quarterback.

I agree, it'd be good to have Lin initiate basically every possession cuz none of the other starters is very good at it

If so, his stats would be pretty good, both scoring and assist

[13th Man]

Yep I would pick Cliff too. Also I just trust Clifford's basketball judgment and straight way of talking about things more.

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

McHale never believed in Lin from day one, he's a player's coach for certain players but not for all. Every interview that I've heard from McHale during that time, was saying how Lin has a lot to learn and also criticizing him for going Linsanity whenever he had a good game. After Lin helped to beat the Spurs dropping 38 pts, McHale had little praise but focused more on his turnovers. McHale knows Lin's game but from a negative POV, that's all we ever hear, how he sucked in Houston even to this day. Lin's years in Houston and L.A. were pretty bad, glad that's a thing of the past.

[KM6]

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

McHale never believed in Lin from day one, he's a player's coach for certain players but not for all. Every interview that I've heard from McHale during that time, was saying how Lin has a lot to learn and also criticizing him for going Linsanity whenever he had a good game. After Lin helped to beat the Spurs dropping 38 pts, McHale had little praise but focused more on his turnovers. McHale knows Lin's game but from a negative POV, that's all we ever hear, how he sucked in Houston even to this day. Lin's years in Houston and L.A. were pretty bad, glad that's a thing of the past.

There is a reason why he is not coaching any more.

[steady]

This year''s going to be really interesting because every year since the Knicks, Lin has been asked by coaches to curb his inner Linsanity and play a supporting role. For Harden, for Kobe, for Kemba. That is not going to be the case this year.

Lin's high school coach was quoted saying before Lin's first year in League (with Warriors) that Lin's greatest skill -- beyond scoring, everything - was his ability to lead a group of players on the floor. We're finally going to get a chance to see what that looks like .. should be fun.

[GoodDayLa]

Lin's high school coach: "Jeremy's always had this ridiculous confidence level. A friend of mine said, 'The way Jeremy's mind works, he's probably wondering why this (Linsanity) didn't happen last year.'"

You can tell by the way Lin carries himself on the court during dead ball situations he is one confident and cocky basketball player. He basically struts around the court. Some guys yammer and talk to show confidence and cockiness but not Lin. He does it by the way he carries himself. But that's a trait of all great sports athletes. Cocky and confident.

Despite how he can sound in interviews, this is not a guy who's timid or planning to miss the playoffs. You also know that because he's already mentioned more than once how miserable the 21 win Laker season was for him because they lost a lot. Nets fans may not believe it yet, but Lin's not looking to repeat that.

And like steady wrote above, Lin's coach did say when Lin signed with the Warriors as a rookie that you don't get the real Lin until you let the guy run the show and be the man and coach was concerned Lin would never get that chance in the NBA to show his true worth. Well he's finally got it now and you can bet he's not going to waste the opportunity.

Linsanity wasn't close to Lin running the show. It was a young kid playing on pure talent and adrenaline and eventually running on fumes like a chicken with his head cut off on a short lived run that cut off by Carmelo Anthony's understandable reluctance to take a back seat to Jlin.

[GoodDayLa]

So Lin will be in the HOF deservedly but Yao doesnt? Yao had it all man you serious? much better player than Lin is right now.

Through today, of course Lin doesn't deserve any mention of HOF. He's been a backup scrub all these years who coaches and players say is a backup scrub. This includes his old coaches like Kevin Mchale and Byron Scott saying these things.

I'm just projecting he could be a HOF candidate by the end of his career. I am projecting the next 5-7 years will be big seasons in Brooklyn.

I believe Lin's career will parallel Nash's like when Nash went to the Suns and blew up. I anticipate that for Lin starting this season.

Of course if it doesn't go that way and Lin isn't pushing for MVP talk for a couple seasons, there's no way he'll be in the HOF. I'm predicting though Lin will have 1 or 2 years where there will be that type of talk.

I suspect in yr 3 of Lin's time in Brooklyn 2 seasons from now, they will be a top 5 NBA team and people will start talking about Lin that way.

If not, of course, there's no way Lin will sniff the hall.

[GoodDayLa]

i disagree with 100% of that. the nets have no chance to win if lin isnt scoring big. even if he does score big we might not win. you dont sacrafice scoring on a team that desperately needs guys who can score. he needs to score and to facilitate.

teams "not wanting lin to shine" is absurd

we will be bad healthy. if we get injrued we have 0 shot. we will have a ball movement offense, but you still need your best players to score big. we only really have 2 or 3 good players. lin is one.

i cant see any scenario where lin scores less then 17-18 ppg. 20 is well within reach.

Some teams will be foolish enough to dare Lin to beat them by scoring. And they'll learn the hard way that it's a bad idea that won't work. Eventually all teams will dare Lin's unproven teammates or the old guys (like 36 year old Scola or RHJ or Vasquez or Booker or Foye) to beat them rather than Brook or Lin.

Whether Lin scores 17 or 20, it's really all about the same. We're really arguing over nothing. It's more of a debate if Lin score 14PPG or 24PPG. You are right, Lin could score 20PPG or 21PPG. 17-20 is fair game. The only reason I suspect it will be less than 20 is that Coach is smart enough to realize you can't win with 1 guy jacking up shots like Westbrook is doing now in OKC. OKC may make the playoffs but you can already tell they aren't contenders and will struggle to get out of the first round of the playoffs unless something really gels for them and Russell plays more efficiently.

You saw in ATL they had balanced scoring and it seems Kenny wants to self sustaining team and Marks is probably also pushing the Spurs mentality of plug in parts at any position to keep the engine running smoothly. Right now, without Lin on the floor, the team looks like night and day and that's bad for the team.

A lot of people look at the game in different ways.

For example, I think the Nets are going to own the Boston Celtics in the regular season and probably take the series 3-1. I also don't see Boston beating the Cavs, Raptors, OR the Nets in the playoffs. Sure they'll beat the other teams in the playoffs, maybe get a #3-5 seed, but they aren't contenders to me.

I personally don't get why the NBA is hyped up on the Boston Celtics, just because of Horford? The Celtics lack enough athletic bigs in the front line and they start a midget backcourt. Nobody who is a contender should be scared of them. I thought the Heat looked more formidable than the freaking Celtics though yeah Brook didn't play.

People are sleeping on the Heat, who look like a scary Playoff team I dont want the Nets to play in the playoffs at least in the first round.

[antique0o0]

Heat are playing much faster. Their defense is still as good. I think they'll surprise people. Wished Tyler come to Nets...
Lin always does well against Thomas. Glad Nets plays Celtics four times.

[Lorenzomax7]

Heat are playing much faster. Their defense is still as good. I think they'll surprise people. Wished Tyler come to Nets...
Lin always does well against Thomas. Glad Nets plays Celtics four times.

not gonna surprise me cuz I know Whiteside is gonna dominate it...

[NyCeEvO]

points are meaningless. field goal attempts are better gauge as Lin should remain efficient 1.2+ pps. Therefore if Lin manages to shoot 15 fga, he should score 18-20 ppg.

but the fga may vary as I'd like to see 6-7 free throws per game. that means he's not in love with the three and is attacking.

so let's not get to carried away with points. for lin to be effective, he needs to make the defense play him and that will make his teammates job easier.

If the motion offense is deployed heavily, I'm not sure Lin will hit the high numbers that some believe he'll do easily.

It looks like Kenny wants a very balanced offense instead of just relying on Lin/Lopez to take half of the shot attempt.

I still think Lin could average about 16-17 point per game under a heavy motion offense system...not sure he can do 18-20 ppg unless he's given a good doze of PnR.

The other big caveat is his shooting...If he can be more consistent as a shooter, he' could get up to 20ppg.

again, you're so tied to scoring and shooting percentage. if he shoots at a high percentage, the defense will key on him and make him give up the ball. that's great in getting his teammates going but not great for scoring. he will need some easy baskets or transition baskets to score 20 ppg. that's why having the court spread is important. that is why having multiple scorers are important. not sure this team is good enough defensively to make stops and run or actually get out on the break and score.

I'm also of the belief that Lin will not average 20ppg.

First, all of the PGs who average 20ppg or more are superstars and/or elite scorers.

The 20ppg PGs from the 2015-16 season:
1) Steph Curry - 30.1ppg (Superstar; arguably GOAT offensive season)
2) Lillard - 25.1ppg (Allstar; elite offensive scorer)
3) Russell Westbrook - 23.5ppg (Superstar; GOAT drive,attack,& draw fouls PPG)
4) Isaiah Thomas - 22.2ppg (Allstar; excellent scorer, an SG in a PG's body)
5) Kemba Walker - 20.9ppg (high volume shooter, more an SG than a traditional PG)
6) Eric Bledsoe - 20.4ppg (borderline; very good all-around PG)
7) John Wall - 19.9ppg (Allstar; high USG%(28.6), floor general/ball-controlling)
8) Kyrie Irving - 19.6ppg (Allstar; dynamic scorer)
9) Brandon Knight - 19.6ppg (combo guard; great scorer)
10) Chris Paul - 19.5ppg (Allstar/superstar; PointGod)
11) Reggie Jackson - 18.8ppg (borderline allstar; more of an established scorer)

I deduce a couple of things based on this list:

1) You can't debate whether Lin is or should be a starting PG in this league but also demand that he score 20ppg. Each of the aforementioned PGs (with the exception of a Brandon Knight) is a top 10-15 PG in the league. If Lin came close to scoring 20ppg, that argument should officially be put to bed.

2) Each of these PGs is better at the art of scoring than Lin. Regardless of how you feel about them as an overall PG, each PGs overall ability to shoot, drive and attack, draw fouls and shoot FTs is better than Lin's overall ability. The only way for Lin to reach 20ppg would be for him to really improve his scoring ability. And if he does so, we're talking about a PG who's definitely top 15 in the league.

The argument about the fact that he HAS to average 20ppg or else we're not winning anything has yet to be tested, let alone proven. Atkinson has already distanced himself from D'Antoni and his system saying that he doesn't want to run a system where the PG runs everything.

If the Nets start off 0-18, then all bets are off. However, if Atkinson has any say in the matter I'm almost willing to sig bet that Lin wouldn't reach the 20ppg plateau because he believes that you beat teams collectively, not with a 1-2 offensive punch of non-superstars.

3) Each of these PGs has gone through the rigors of an NBA season and demonstrated that they are capable of scoring close to, if not over, 20ppg for most of the NBA season.

The only time that LIn has come close to averaging 20ppg PER 36 minutes is when Linsanity occurred. At that time, he was given full control of a D'Antoni-led offense that wants the PG to control everything.

Additionally, considering that Linsanity occurred in the latter half of the season, no team could afford to study him and draw up a gameplan to stop him (or at least hinder his effectiveness). While Lin is a better overall PG than he was back then, teams know who he is and they'll have a gameplan to try to takeaway what he likes to do.

4) I understand the argument that Lin has to score because he and Brook are the two best players on the team.

While I do agree with that sentiment, I do not think that this will bear itself out in Lin averaging 20ppg for an entire season. I don't have as much faith in the scoring capabilities of his teammates as GoodDayLa.

Brook should get 19-21ppg.
Bogs should get 12-15.
Skil should get 12-15.
Harris can probably get 9-11.
Scola will probably get 8-10.
RHJ will scrap his way to 8-11.
Foye (Whitehead, whoever plays that 15mpg 2 spot) will get 8-11.
Vazquez (if healthy) should get about 10.

If I take the lowest number for each of those players that brings me to 86.

Unless this offense goes bananas, there's no way we're averaging 106ppg. I expect to Lin to comfortably sit at the 15-17ppg range. This would put the Nets at 101-103ppg, which puts us anywhere between 10th and 20th for team PPG based on last year's averages.

In short, I don't think there's anyway Lin averages more than 17.5ppg.

- Those who score more than 18ppg are at least 1 tier above Lin in their ability to create and score. Lin hasn't shown the ability to do that since he was an unstudied commodity during Linsanity.
- Including his Linsanity period, we have zero evidence that he can handle that much of a scoring load over an 82-game season. Not only can we not afford to work him that much, I think you'd see significant diminishing returns if he averaged more than 15FGApg.

[hood30]

If the motion offense is deployed heavily, I'm not sure Lin will hit the high numbers that some believe he'll do easily.

It looks like Kenny wants a very balanced offense instead of just relying on Lin/Lopez to take half of the shot attempt.

I still think Lin could average about 16-17 point per game under a heavy motion offense system...not sure he can do 18-20 ppg unless he's given a good doze of PnR.

The other big caveat is his shooting...If he can be more consistent as a shooter, he' could get up to 20ppg.

again, you're so tied to scoring and shooting percentage. if he shoots at a high percentage, the defense will key on him and make him give up the ball. that's great in getting his teammates going but not great for scoring. he will need some easy baskets or transition baskets to score 20 ppg. that's why having the court spread is important. that is why having multiple scorers are important. not sure this team is good enough defensively to make stops and run or actually get out on the break and score.

I'm also of the belief that Lin will not average 20ppg.

First, all of the PGs who average 20ppg or more are superstars and/or elite scorers.

The 20ppg PGs from the 2015-16 season:
1) Steph Curry - 30.1ppg (Superstar; arguably GOAT offensive season)
2) Lillard - 25.1ppg (Allstar; elite offensive scorer)
3) Russell Westbrook - 23.5ppg (Superstar; GOAT drive,attack,& draw fouls PPG)
4) Isaiah Thomas - 22.2ppg (Allstar; excellent scorer, an SG in a PG's body)
5) Kemba Walker - 20.9ppg (high volume shooter, more an SG than a traditional PG)
6) Eric Bledsoe - 20.4ppg (borderline; very good all-around PG)
7) John Wall - 19.9ppg (Allstar; high USG%(28.6), floor general/ball-controlling)
8) Kyrie Irving - 19.6ppg (Allstar; dynamic scorer)
9) Brandon Knight - 19.6ppg (combo guard; great scorer)
10) Chris Paul - 19.5ppg (Allstar/superstar; PointGod)
11) Reggie Jackson - 18.8ppg (borderline allstar; more of an established scorer)

I deduce a couple of things based on this list:

1) You can't debate whether Lin is or should be a starting PG in this league but also demand that he score 20ppg. Each of the aforementioned PGs (with the exception of a Brandon Knight) is a top 10-15 PG in the league. If Lin came close to scoring 20ppg, that argument should officially be put to bed.

2) Each of these PGs is better at the art of scoring than Lin. Regardless of how you feel about them as an overall PG, each PGs overall ability to shoot, drive and attack, draw fouls and shoot FTs is better than Lin's overall ability. The only way for Lin to reach 20ppg would be for him to really improve his scoring ability. And if he does so, we're talking about a PG who's definitely top 15 in the league.

The argument about the fact that he HAS to average 20ppg or else we're not winning anything has yet to be tested, let alone proven. Atkinson has already distanced himself from D'Antoni and his system saying that he doesn't want to run a system where the PG runs everything.

If the Nets start off 0-18, then all bets are off. However, if Atkinson has any say in the matter I'm almost willing to sig bet that Lin wouldn't reach the 20ppg plateau because he believes that you beat teams collectively, not with a 1-2 offensive punch of non-superstars.

3) Each of these PGs has gone through the rigors of an NBA season and demonstrated that they are capable of scoring close to, if not over, 20ppg for most of the NBA season.

The only time that LIn has come close to averaging 20ppg PER 36 minutes is when Linsanity occurred. At that time, he was given full control of a D'Antoni-led offense that wants the PG to control everything.

Additionally, considering that Linsanity occurred in the latter half of the season, no team could afford to study him and draw up a gameplan to stop him (or at least hinder his effectiveness). While Lin is a better overall PG than he was back then, teams know who he is and they'll have a gameplan to try to takeaway what he likes to do.

4) I understand the argument that Lin has to score because he and Brook are the two best players on the team.

While I do agree with that sentiment, I do not think that this will bear itself out in Lin averaging 20ppg for an entire season. I don't have as much faith in the scoring capabilities of his teammates as GoodDayLa.

Brook should get 19-21ppg.
Bogs should get 12-15.
Skil should get 12-15.
Harris can probably get 9-11.
Scola will probably get 8-10.
RHJ will scrap his way to 8-11.
Foye (Whitehead, whoever plays that 15mpg 2 spot) will get 8-11.
Vazquez (if healthy) should get about 10.

If I take the lowest number for each of those players that brings me to 86.

Unless this offense goes bananas, there's no way we're averaging 106ppg. I expect to Lin to comfortably sit at the 15-17ppg range. This would put the Nets at 101-103ppg, which puts us anywhere between 10th and 20th for team PPG based on last year's averages.

In short, I don't think there's anyway Lin averages more than 17.5ppg.

- Those who score more than 18ppg are at least 1 tier above Lin in their ability to create and score. Lin hasn't shown the ability to do that since he was an unstudied commodity during Linsanity.
- Including his Linsanity period, we have zero evidence that he can handle that much of a scoring load over an 82-game season. Not only can we not afford to work him that much, I think you'd see significant diminishing returns if he averaged more than 15FGApg.

I agree with most of your stuff..I doubt he gets near 20ppg and I just hope people would stop raising the bar for him so he could fail...Brooklyn fan should be happy if Lin can get you between 15-17ppg which is about right for the money you're paying him.

Lin also does not have the great ball-handle that could lead him to create his own shot at will....Most of the point guard on your list have the type of handle that enables them to easily create their shots at ease..Thomas, Kemba, Lillard, Curry, Paul, Jackson, Bledsoe...All of them are way above Lin when it comes to ball-handling and shot creation.

Lin is simply a pick-and roll player and that's how he get his points...Team will focus on that heavily and I believe that having guys like Booker, RHJ and Foye will make it even harder for Lin to get into the lane because team will simply sagg off Brooklyn terrible shooters to clog the lane and keep Lin away from the basket.

On the other hand, if Lin can shoot 40% from 3PT arc, he has a chance to come close to 20ppg....That would open things up for him since team already knows he's not a great shooter and wants to attack the rim every chance he gets.

[Prokorov]

Brook should get 19-21ppg.
Bogs should get 12-15.
Skil should get 12-15.
Harris can probably get 9-11.
Scola will probably get 8-10.
RHJ will scrap his way to 8-11.
Foye (Whitehead, whoever plays that 15mpg 2 spot) will get 8-11.
Vazquez (if healthy) should get about 10.

If I take the lowest number for each of those players that brings me to 86.

Unless this offense goes bananas, there's no way we're averaging 106ppg. I expect to Lin to comfortably sit at the 15-17ppg range. This would put the Nets at 101-103ppg, which puts us anywhere between 10th and 20th for team PPG based on last year's averages.

i think this is really off. i mean... you basically have 9 guys scoring double figures. when was the last time a team even had 5 or 6 guys do that?

and certainly dont see foye or whitehad scoring double figures in just 15 minutes. thats like 26 points per36. i think those guys are all capable of those totals in a 28+ minute role. but your not gonna have 9 guy all play that much. i think its much more likely to see:

Lin 18-20
lopez 18-20
foye 6-8
RHJ - 5-7
booker 6-10

thats your starters. with a high end of 65 and a low end of 53

vazques 4-8
Bogs 13-15
Skil 5-8
Scola 5-7
Hamilton 4-6

thats your bench. with a high end of 44 and a low end of 31

overall a high end of 109 and a low end of 84. a median of 96.5

i think 96-98 points sounds about right. some nights will be inthat 108-110 range,

thats with a 10 man rotation. is skil capable of dropping 20 points? sure and he will some nights. others he will go scoreless or just have 2 or 4 points. same with everyone on the bench not named bogs.

vazques never hit 10 ppg in toronto which is some of his best ball and a big backup role. cant see him getting that here. skil or harris will have some big games. both wont get the minutes and both wont consistently get the fga to average 10 a game unless they play well enough to become starters. foye wont score much. he is a guy there for his grit and d and hopefully hit open shots. he isnt scoring in double figure. hamilton is basically 3 and d. some games 6 or 9 points some goose eggs or 3-4 points.

i think those numbers in a vaccuum assuming each player got 25-28 minutes is plausible. i dont think once you fit those names into a 9 or 10 man rotation and realize the minutes they get, it wont be as high as even your low end numbers.

Lin is going to be our main ball handler, highest usage player, and by far our most agressive player who touches the ball that often. i can see less then 15-17 FGA. right now he is at 15.4 FGA per36 in preseason. 26.7 points per36

now super small sample in irrelevant basketbal but all we have to go on right now. i think on volme/FGA alont he will easily hit 18-20

[Prokorov]

to put this in more perspective:

Brook should get 19-21ppg.

21 would be a career high for lopez

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Skil should get 12-15.
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not sure his numbers from last year project over 82 games and he is fighting 4 other wings for minutes

Harris can probably get 9-11.

harris has never scored 3 a game. small sample and no role in cleveland... to get to 9-11 points he'd need to start or play 20-25 off the bench ...Harris, bogs, skil, rhj, and foye cant all play 20+ minutes. so you need to remove one from the list cant assume all 5 are going to score 10 a game

Scola will probably get 8-10.

scola started last year and didnt hit 10 a game. not since his houston days was he putting up enough points to score 10 in 22 minutes or less.

RHJ will scrap his way to 8-11.

if you project rhj out to 36 minutes he still falls a few points short of 11 per game and is playing with more guys who can score this season

Foye (Whitehead, whoever plays that 15mpg 2 spot) will get 8-11.

Foye's career low in minutes is 19.2 and he scored 6 game. he'd be nearly doubling that at 11 points and in 5 less minutes a game

Vazquez (if healthy) should get about 10.

10 would be a career high as a reserve for gevis


Basically you are saying all these guys can score career highs or better then career highs. but cant see lin, who is a lock to be one of the team leaders in minutes and fg% posing career highs.

[TinmanZBoy]

Brook should get 19-21ppg.
Bogs should get 12-15.
Skil should get 12-15.
Harris can probably get 9-11.
Scola will probably get 8-10.
RHJ will scrap his way to 8-11.
Foye (Whitehead, whoever plays that 15mpg 2 spot) will get 8-11.
Vazquez (if healthy) should get about 10.

If I take the lowest number for each of those players that brings me to 86.

Unless this offense goes bananas, there's no way we're averaging 106ppg. I expect to Lin to comfortably sit at the 15-17ppg range. This would put the Nets at 101-103ppg, which puts us anywhere between 10th and 20th for team PPG based on last year's averages.

i think this is really off. i mean... you basically have 9 guys scoring double figures. when was the last time a team even had 5 or 6 guys do that?

and certainly dont see foye or whitehad scoring double figures in just 15 minutes. thats like 26 points per36. i think those guys are all capable of those totals in a 28+ minute role. but your not gonna have 9 guy all play that much. i think its much more likely to see:

Lin 18-20
lopez 18-20
foye 6-8
RHJ - 5-7
booker 6-10

thats your starters. with a high end of 65 and a low end of 53

vazques 4-8
Bogs 13-15
Skil 5-8
Scola 5-7
Hamilton 4-6

thats your bench. with a high end of 44 and a low end of 31

overall a high end of 109 and a low end of 84. a median of 96.5

i think 96-98 points sounds about right. some nights will be inthat 108-110 range,

thats with a 10 man rotation. is skil capable of dropping 20 points? sure and he will some nights. others he will go scoreless or just have 2 or 4 points. same with everyone on the bench not named bogs.

vazques never hit 10 ppg in toronto which is some of his best ball and a big backup role. cant see him getting that here. skil or harris will have some big games. both wont get the minutes and both wont consistently get the fga to average 10 a game unless they play well enough to become starters. foye wont score much. he is a guy there for his grit and d and hopefully hit open shots. he isnt scoring in double figure. hamilton is basically 3 and d. some games 6 or 9 points some goose eggs or 3-4 points.

i think those numbers in a vaccuum assuming each player got 25-28 minutes is plausible. i dont think once you fit those names into a 9 or 10 man rotation and realize the minutes they get, it wont be as high as even your low end numbers.

Lin is going to be our main ball handler, highest usage player, and by far our most agressive player who touches the ball that often. i can see less then 15-17 FGA. right now he is at 15.4 FGA per36 in preseason. 26.7 points per36

now super small sample in irrelevant basketbal but all we have to go on right now. i think on volme/FGA alont he will easily hit 18-20

with the pace Kenny wants to play, 96.5 is going to be an ugly number on offense... that probably will rank them rock bottom...
I have more faith about this team's offense than defense...

[NyCeEvO]

So Lin will be in the HOF deservedly but Yao doesnt? Yao had it all man you serious? much better player than Lin is right now.

Through today, of course Lin doesn't deserve any mention of HOF. He's been a backup scrub all these years who coaches and players say is a backup scrub. This includes his old coaches like Kevin Mchale and Byron Scott saying these things.

I'm just projecting he could be a HOF candidate by the end of his career. I am projecting the next 5-7 years will be big seasons in Brooklyn.

I believe Lin's career will parallel Nash's like when Nash went to the Suns and blew up. I anticipate that for Lin starting this season.

Of course if it doesn't go that way and Lin isn't pushing for MVP talk for a couple seasons, there's no way he'll be in the HOF. I'm predicting though Lin will have 1 or 2 years where there will be that type of talk.

I suspect in yr 3 of Lin's time in Brooklyn 2 seasons from now, they will be a top 5 NBA team and people will start talking about Lin that way.

If not, of course, there's no way Lin will sniff the hall.

Why do you think Lin will progress into becoming an MVP candidate over the likes of Steph Curry, LeBron, KD, CP3, or Russell Westbrook? Those players are phenoms and superstars.

Even if you believe that D'Antoni was the main reason why Nash was able to produce such gaudy numbers, we don't have a D'Antoni here.

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for the record, coach McHale said "we have two starting worthy PGs" when talking about the starting job between Lin and Beverley... He also said "Lin is a main guy of us, won us a lot games""Jeremy is still going to play around 30 minutes/game, close some games"...
where did you see coach McHale calling out Lin a scrub?

By the way, coach McHale is a HOF player, one of the best PFs in the history of the game, played as a sixth man for a big chunk of his career...If a HOF like coach McHale and a player in Manu's caliber can come off bench and contribute, why can't Lin, why do some Lin fans and Lin take it as a slight and humiliation?

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The only way for Lin to reach 20ppg would be for him to really improve his scoring ability.

- Including his Linsanity period, we have zero evidence that he can handle that much of a scoring load over an 82-game season

The 11 guys in your example of scoring average were STARTING POINT GUARDs who have the reigns to their offense. Lin hasn't been a starter in 3 1/2 seasons and arguably was used in non-optimal roles the entire time as defensive specialist, combo-guard and decoy.

Compare those guys to Lin's scoring stats after this full season as the Nets starting PG and then you'll have something. To claim that Lin has never approached the scoring of elite STARTING PGs is an obviously unfair comparison.

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By the way, coach McHale is a HOF player, one of the best PFs in the history of the game, played as a sixth man for a big chunk of his career...If a HOF like coach McHale and a player in Manu's caliber can come off bench and contribute, why can't Lin, why do some Lin fans and Lin take it as a slight and humiliation?

What's any of that got to do with how bad of a coach McHale was/is? Bad for Lin, Howard, Harden ...etc....
McHale is not a good coach otherwise he might still BE A COACH.

McHale the HOFer will never coach in the NBA again - take that to the bank.

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Na, na, McDumbBell is not really a good coach. He's good at letting the players play. He's terrible at Xs and Os, he spoiled his stars, he put the ball in Harden's hand, alienating everyone else except for Bev. He doesn't hold his stars accountable, especially on D, demoralizing the team. Passing PGs don't make good 6th men. It was a terrible decision, the point guard's supposed to pass the ball to the scorers like Dwight, instead of just giving the ball to the scorer and stand in the corner. He tired Harden out by letting him do everything on offense. Now they have only role players except for Harden on the team in Houston that would work better but they won't ever be a contender, like when they had a chance with Lin (as starting facilitating PG), Harden (should have been SG), Parsons, whoever at PF and Dwight. That team should have been contending for championship for a long time. His offense was chaotic, he couldn't coach defense very well either, except for saying "play harder", "the ball sticks". He relied too much on Harden drawing cheap fouls, didn't work in the playoffs except for that meltdown by the Clippers. He couldn't do anything about the problems and he's a bad teacher. What an opportunity wasted cuz of this McDimwitHell. Imagine if there was an actual good coach at the helm? They should have fired him much much sooner and gotten a real coach. But hey, he obeyed Morey, what do you do? (like asking Lin not to shoot midrange Js)

nah, coach McHale was fine, not a good x and o coach, but his feel for the game is good, he is quick to adjustments, flexible...He does not believe Lin as much as you do, that does not make him a bad coach...
you guys put too much Lin's demise on coach McHale... If Lin were playing for a coach like Clifford right after Linsanity season, he would have struggled more...you guys would have buried coach Clifford and claimed him to be the worst coach in the history...

First of all, I never claimed him to be the worst coach in the history, I merely posted some of his problems on top of my head which you choose to ignore. I said "he was not really a good coach".

Second, I love Cliff. I basically agreed with everything he did, except for the politics in game 7, probably not his decision. His team was well organized, he taught the player to do the right things. He's a bit too conservative but that's OK. What you said tho, sounds dangerously like some kinda biased ad hominem.

I certainly believe Lin more than he did. I certainly wouldn't have waived him first of all. Then I wouldn't take the ball totally out of his hands and put it totally into the scorer's hands, leading to disastrous results.

We don't know who's responsible for Lin's demise (benching I guess?), be it Morey, Harden or McHale. Officially it's the coach's job and he'll need to take the blame unless he comes out and say it wasn't his idea.

Coach McHale never had a losing season in Houston, even after the season Rockets lost their Franchise star Yao, McGrady, they almost made the playoff... Even with Harden, Lin, most people wrote the Rockets off, they made the playoff became a good young and coming team, the running and gunning strategy worked... he did alright...

McFail certainly isn't without any merit. It'd be like saying King had the team making the playoffs and had gotten some young talent therefore he's fine and did alright. As I said, he was good at letting the players play. He was flexible and he adjusted according to the talents he had. He was OK at motivation (even tho a lot of players don't like him). It's good if he's got vets who are motivated and know how to play or youngsters who need freedom to explore. He was supposed to be good at managing egos, but guess not. Biggest problem is, he wasn't suitable to manage a good team that wasn't perfectly built or trying to overachieve. He wasn't good enough to take a team to another level or stay at a high level. He had a very good team underachieve. He's neither the Xs and Os type like Pop, Carlisle, MDA; nor the disciplinarian type like Cliff, Karl; nor the motivational type that get players to buy in like Doc, Brooks; nor the defensive guru type like Thibs, Bud, Spo, Joerger; nor the developmental teacher like Stotts, Malone, Atkinson. He is not good at any of these coaching aspects. Being good at being flexible and adjusting according to the talents, add in a little motivation is not enough at a high level, these don't make a true good coach. Too much was dependent on luck. He was quite good at enforcing MoreyBall tho. That's why he survived for so long, but unfortunately too long for the good of the team.

McHale is ousted by a star whose ego, thanks to the coach, has gone out of control. McHale has no principle and earn his paycheck by being a puppet of Morey.