Can Trump wiggle out of this one?

[reub]

That's very fair of you but can you make it a Diet Coke?

Jill Stein is now saying that Hillary is provoking a nuclear war with Russia. How dangerous is this crazy Hillary? How far is she willing to go in her lust for power and fortune? We should be annihilating ISIS, not provoking a nuclear war with Russia.

Oh, could you make it a Diet Pepsi instead?

Jill Stein: Hillary will start a nuclear war with Russia. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html

[CJackson]

That's very fair of you but can you make it a Diet Coke?

Jill Stein is now saying that Hillary is provoking a nuclear war with Russia. How dangerous is this crazy Hillary? How far is she willing to go in her lust for power and fortune? We should be annihilating ISIS, not provoking a nuclear war with Russia.

Oh, could you make it a Diet Pepsi instead?

Jill Stein: Hillary will start a nuclear war with Russia. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html

Stop with the hysterical nonsense

Clinton is not the president and has not been secretary of state for a long time now

You just sound like a nutjob saying Clinton is starting a war when the only thing she can do right now is campaign for the job

[Stannis]

I just finished the VP date and the 2nd Presidential debate.

Kaine's debate etiquette was one of the most unbearable things I have witnessed. Dude was straight up annoying.

Hilary was able to avoid some subjects on her hypocrisy and corruption. Whereas the 2nd debate moderators were clearly on the offense (against Trump) imo. Which is fine, but I thought they should've been consistent and fair. I'm no Trump supporter, but it's pretty easy for Hilary to come off as more mature and composed when she can basically say "let's move on".

I still hope Hilary wins in the end if it comes down to her or Trump (or even Pence tbh).

Hopefully this election destroys the Republican party and the Independent party will have a chance next time.

It is a golden opportunity. It requires leadership to build a new alternative. I don't know yet if those people exist. Bernie created an organization after he lost the primaries and his staff rebelled and walked on him for what they believed was a compromise on their values. I don't think Bernie will be viable in the future, merely someone who can lend their support. He is too shrill and lacks the skill to build a new party that can challenge the status quo.

Not a fan of Gary Johnson? You think he could be a serious candidate in 2020? If the Republican party keeps going in this direction, I think it's possible that people leave that party for somebody a little more current.

[CJackson]

I just finished the VP date and the 2nd Presidential debate.

Kaine's debate etiquette was one of the most unbearable things I have witnessed. Dude was straight up annoying.

Hilary was able to avoid some subjects on her hypocrisy and corruption. Whereas the 2nd debate moderators were clearly on the offense (against Trump) imo. Which is fine, but I thought they should've been consistent and fair. I'm no Trump supporter, but it's pretty easy for Hilary to come off as more mature and composed when she can basically say "let's move on".

I still hope Hilary wins in the end if it comes down to her or Trump (or even Pence tbh).

Hopefully this election destroys the Republican party and the Independent party will have a chance next time.

It is a golden opportunity. It requires leadership to build a new alternative. I don't know yet if those people exist. Bernie created an organization after he lost the primaries and his staff rebelled and walked on him for what they believed was a compromise on their values. I don't think Bernie will be viable in the future, merely someone who can lend their support. He is too shrill and lacks the skill to build a new party that can challenge the status quo.

Not a fan of Gary Johnson? You think he could be a serious candidate in 2020? If the Republican party keeps going in this direction, I think it's possible that people leave that party for somebody a little more current.

Gary Johnson is utterly useless. After his Aleppo moment he couldn't name a single foreign leader when asked to do so. He's pretty much a donkey at this point.

His social policies are mostly agreeable, but his economic proposals are some of the worst I've ever seen. Guy wants to deregulate the whole government and just completely unleash the free market. He actually believes corporations will do what is right and don't need laws holding them in check. He's basically a nutcase.

So when you add in his abject failure to even show a shred of competency on foreign policy, Johnson is truly a reject. He is missing a few marbles for sure.

Clinton is a quantum upgrade over Johnson. And it turns out her and Stein are almost identical on a majority of issues and Hillary knows how to do this job and Stein would not have a frigging clue. This is not the time to hire someone with training wheels.

[CJackson]

BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943

[earthmansurfer]

Regarding the media. I hope we start seeing the media cover the Wikileaks releases as Google searches show it has now passed the Trump video.
I think attacking Trump on the sexual misconduct theme might end up backfiring on Hillary, due to her serial rapist husband.
They probably should have chosen another topic (though it is an important one, just that Bill seems to have a very very large lead.)
I really hope the US DOES NOT attack Syria with Love bombs now, as the next distraction as Russia has said they will shoot them down. This would be war with Russia. Please no...

[duetta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3834427/He-spent-night-talking-women-s-breasts-Donald-Trump-s-vulgar-sexist-remarks-forced-former-supermodel-switch-tables-White-House-dinner-party.html

[earthmansurfer]

That's very fair of you but can you make it a Diet Coke?

Jill Stein is now saying that Hillary is provoking a nuclear war with Russia. How dangerous is this crazy Hillary? How far is she willing to go in her lust for power and fortune? We should be annihilating ISIS, not provoking a nuclear war with Russia.

Oh, could you make it a Diet Pepsi instead?

Jill Stein: Hillary will start a nuclear war with Russia. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html

Stop with the hysterical nonsense

Clinton is not the president and has not been secretary of state for a long time now

You just sound like a nutjob saying Clinton is starting a war when the only thing she can do right now is campaign for the job

Does it really matter if she is not president? She helped destroy Libya and she wasn't president. Well, she might have been Sec of State then, but the point is her political power is still there. She is in the club and we are not.

She has already been beating the war drum against Russia due to the leaks. And any good hacker can make a hack look like it came from anywhere, nothing shocking there.

[duetta]

Trump actually talks a lot of fairly positive populist ideas when he isn't being a no impulse control maniac.

If he were running as an authentic New Yorker - pro choice, pro-universal health care, etc. - he would be dangerous (given his problematic personality). But this entire campaign has been designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator within the Republican base, the know-nothing, Alex Jones / Breitbart wing of that party. And I'm confident that he doesn't even believe half of what he's saying.

Drumpf's the kind of knave who would yell fire in a movie theater just to get a better seat.

[aj49689]

To call someone crazy or a nut-job at this time is the last thing people should be referring to others as based on opinions of eventuality. A while back I said it would get worse, its only begun and will get much worse. When these people labeled as crazy become right, those that labeled them become the crazy. People have to realize that no ones perceptions is the same no matter how closely their data values are aligned. The way people attack is very bias when viewed from a neutral place. Meaning that some hold tightly to accusations while not paying attention to the hornet in the room about to sting everyone. There is much more going on then people can come to understand. Information is starting to peak in its own confidentiality war. If there was someone out there running vs Hillary better then Trump we would be better off but there isn't. I don't consider myself a supporter but in the middle ground there is a better vantage point to reference.

[Ganji]

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[thebuzzardman]

Trump actually talks a lot of fairly positive populist ideas when he isn't being a no impulse control maniac.

If he were running as an authentic New Yorker - pro choice, pro-universal health care, etc. - he would be dangerous (given his problematic personality). But this entire campaign has been designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator within the Republican base, the know-nothing, Alex Jones / Breitbart wing of that party. And I'm confident that he doesn't even believe half of what he's saying.

Drumpf's the kind of knave who would yell fire in a movie theater just to get a better seat.

Oh, I completely agree. And most of what he says is what you say. I'm just pointing out it shouldn't be discounted he's tapped into some of the same populist themes Bernie Sanders was talking about, and some of them are accurate. That said, I don't think he believes them either. I don't discount the number of racists and white people who feel disenfranchised, but he's pulling some extra votes in by saying those populist things that appeal to voters who are rightly sick of both parties not really caring about the populace.

He's running the ugliest campaign I've ever seen, and I'm not so young anymore. Then again, all campaigns have been dumbed down incredibly, worse each year.

Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone had an excellent article about Trump and the election process - I think while Trump was up but hadn't won in the primary - that nailed it. I'll try to find and post it in here - a little hard to find, because Taibbi mentions some of the same things in several articles, so I wind up having to read 4 or 5 of them to find that best one.

[thebuzzardman]

This link nails the way the election is run and the media:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/stop-whining-about-false-balance-w440228

This link is more about Trump's populist appeal/the incompetency of the Republican party/luck that got him where he is now:
**damn, can't find it; may be several articles together**

This is about Trump's place in the Republican's party working class appeal; it really nails a lot:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/a-republican-workers-party-w433295

[Amsterdam]

That's very fair of you but can you make it a Diet Coke?

Jill Stein is now saying that Hillary is provoking a nuclear war with Russia. How dangerous is this crazy Hillary? How far is she willing to go in her lust for power and fortune? We should be annihilating ISIS, not provoking a nuclear war with Russia.

Oh, could you make it a Diet Pepsi instead?

Jill Stein: Hillary will start a nuclear war with Russia. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html

Stop with the hysterical nonsense

Clinton is not the president and has not been secretary of state for a long time now

You just sound like a nutjob saying Clinton is starting a war when the only thing she can do right now is campaign for the job

You're the same as those Trump supporters but dressed in Hillary blond.

Dude, Hillary is in bed with all those countries hell-bent on getting that gas pipeline from Saudi to EU through Syria.

Russia, Brazil, India, China and South Africa (Brics) are pulling away from petrodollars. Libya and Iraq tried to join, see where it got them. Hillary's job is to prevent this from happening, book it.

You're purposely and stereotypically blind to Hillary Clinton and her Arab Spring madness during her tenure as Secty of State. She was in, got it done and got the fk out.

Oh yea, read this as well:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16030

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup


The demise of Russia hangs in the balance and I doubt they have a gazillion dollars invested in Military to let it happen. Wars have happened and will happen again,,,, book it. We're a fkd up species hell-bend on our very own destruction and hey I'm not even mainstream religious, but it's true.
Global warming, oil, gas, petrodollars etc.

Avoid responding to me unless you come open and well read on Hillary. Not just screaming " no way, no way", you sound ignorant.

[thebuzzardman]

This link nails the way the election is run and the media:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/stop-whining-about-false-balance-w440228

This link is more about Trump's populist appeal/the incompetency of the Republican party/luck that got him where he is now:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224

This is about Trump's place in the Republican's party working class appeal; it really nails a lot:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/a-republican-workers-party-w433295

The bolded article especially needs any and everyone's attention.

Taibbi is great. One of a handful of good journalists.

[HarthorneWingo]

I just finished the VP date and the 2nd Presidential debate.

Kaine's debate etiquette was one of the most unbearable things I have witnessed. Dude was straight up annoying.

Hilary was able to avoid some subjects on her hypocrisy and corruption. Whereas the 2nd debate moderators were clearly on the offense (against Trump) imo. Which is fine, but I thought they should've been consistent and fair. I'm no Trump supporter, but it's pretty easy for Hilary to come off as more mature and composed when she can basically say "let's move on".

I still hope Hilary wins in the end if it comes down to her or Trump (or even Pence tbh).

Hopefully this election destroys the Republican party and the Independent party will have a chance next time.

It is a golden opportunity. It requires leadership to build a new alternative. I don't know yet if those people exist. Bernie created an organization after he lost the primaries and his staff rebelled and walked on him for what they believed was a compromise on their values. I don't think Bernie will be viable in the future, merely someone who can lend their support. He is too shrill and lacks the skill to build a new party that can challenge the status quo.

Not a fan of Gary Johnson? You think he could be a serious candidate in 2020? If the Republican party keeps going in this direction, I think it's possible that people leave that party for somebody a little more current.

Nah. I like Weld better.

[Rasho Brezec]

The one thing this presidential race has been good for is that it produced this GOAT column that perfectly describes 99% of the "experts" fearmongering against Trump.

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.a18rgnm6s

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only will he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.

[earthmansurfer]

Perhaps we need to start calling them The Military Media Industrial Complex - would seem far more accurate.
Remember after 911 how their were military people in media buildings feeding information? They got busted and things were suddenly silent and it never came up again.

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[duetta]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/14/nazi-facebook-group-alt-right-execution-jews-black-people-colorado-students-expelled

[thebuzzardman]

The one thing this presidential race has been good for is that it produced this GOAT column that perfectly describes 99% of the "experts" fearmongering against Trump.

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.a18rgnm6s

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only will he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.

That's basically what Taibbi's article where I bolded alludes to. He says as much in his others as well.