OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[DuckIII]

G I N T, you have it backwards. Hillary isn't winning the election, Trump is losing it. And he's losing it based on the same types of things he's been doing dating back to when he was spearheading the Birther smear.

The indictment of America isn't that Hillary will win. The indictment is that Trump garnered enough support to be one of the nominees.

[RedBulls23]

G I N T, you have it backwards. Hillary isn't winning the election, Trump is losing it. And he's losing it based on the same types of things he's been doing dating back to when he was spearheading the Birther smear.

The indictment of America isn't that Hillary will win. The indictment is that Trump garnered enough support to be one of the nominees.

G I N T also thinks Trump spoke eloquently in the 2nd debate or that his only short comings are bad things he says.

Not the fraud he commits himself, or that he's a shyster, not the many many lies he tells, not him being a racist/bigot/xenophobe, not the incoherent ramblings of a mad man, not because he's a thin skinned narraccist, not the sexually rapey things he's done AND said etc. (I could go on)

No, It's the "bad" things he says which is why people don't want to vote for him.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

You realize the only reason such a deeply flawed candidate will win is because the alternative is frighteningly unhinged, hateful, childish, and completely lacking in experience, right? I.e. the "sad day" is caused by Trump and the buffoons who pushed him through the primary over candidates who might have actually a chance to win a general elections.

Wow did the GOP **** this thing up badly. Hillary was beatable. Blame yourself.

No disagreement here. Someone like Cruz or Rubio would have crushed Hillary, and deservedly so. However, it is a sad day for exactly that reason. Hillary is basically winning the election catering to a few specific demographics of voters - namely blacks/hispanics and women.

She's basically winning the election because the minorities are offended by Trump's illegal immigration views and the women are offended by comments he made ages ago in private about his personal life. None of this should overshadow the appalling ineptitude of Hillary, but it unfortunately is... which is a sad indictment on the American population of today.

I'm offended as a Human-American.

[burlydee]

You realize the only reason such a deeply flawed candidate will win is because the alternative is frighteningly unhinged, hateful, childish, and completely lacking in experience, right? I.e. the "sad day" is caused by Trump and the buffoons who pushed him through the primary over candidates who might have actually a chance to win a general elections.

Wow did the GOP **** this thing up badly. Hillary was beatable. Blame yourself.

No disagreement here. Someone like Cruz or Rubio would have crushed Hillary, and deservedly so. However, it is a sad day for exactly that reason. Hillary is basically winning the election catering to a few specific demographics of voters - namely blacks/hispanics and women.

She's basically winning the election because the minorities are offended by Trump's illegal immigration views and the women are offended by comments he made ages ago in private about his personal life. None of this should overshadow the appalling ineptitude of Hillary, but it unfortunately is... which is a sad indictment on the American population of today.

I'm not quite sure you understand how offensive this all sounds. If Hillary wins, Democrats would have won 3 straight presidential contests and 5 of the last 7. Not surprisingly, we will also have 3 straight of elections of conservatives blaming "identity politics" with out the least bit of irony. Your entire statement acts as if the concerns of minorities is somehow less than the concerns of straight white males. That attitude is the reason why Republicans keep losing elections. Basically, the only demographic Trump wins is white males. He loses black men, black women, latino men and women, Asians, white women, people under the age of 30 - every other demographic but white males.

Newsflash - things like abortion, police brutality, immigration, education, jobs, lgbt rights - matter to Americans. Yes minorities, women and gay people are just as American as you. To get their vote, you have to speak to the issues they care about. If the Republican party is going to only speak to the issues that a certain segment of straight white males cares about, they will continue to lose national elections.

P.S. Clinton is far better on the issues like jobs, terrorism, and financial regulation anyway. Trump is literally a buffoon. He is the least knowledge candidate about the issues I've ever seen run for office. At this point, there is nothing more that he can do to disqualify himself. He has been that bad of a candidate.

[ImSlower]

At this point, I have to ask folks like GINT. What would Trump have to say to get you to say, "Okay, that's over the line, you simply cannot say that as a leader of our country."

There has to be a point where being a conservative simply isn't enough to justify Trump's statements, right? If you are deeply Christian, and devoutly believe that abortion is murder, I will forever disagree with you, but I won't denounce you as an idiot, etc. If you are a gun owner who passionately puts your totally sweet gun collection as a key to your vote, hey, more power to you, I guess. If you ardently believe that the kitchen staff in the bar I work, all illegal immigrants working filthy hours for three hundred bucks a week, which they send back to their families, are ruining America, that's on you, man!

At what point do you draw the line, as a conservative? I've always leaned left, sure. I suppose I'm biased, since I am a white male American, and I currently have exactly (1) other white male, straight American friend, while everyone else I hang out with, talk to, and work with are non-American, women, or LBGT, or more than one.

GINT, what would Trump have to say that would make you say "Okay, that's just unacceptable." Over and over, awful liberal media aside, out of his own mouth the man has belittled Latin Americans, Muslims, women, blacks. Surely you would prefer, say Mitt Romney or John Kasich, right?

[waffle]

I think people underestimate Hil. She's tough (as nails) smart (people felt she was marrying down w/ Bill. She was expected to be the shooting star). She listens and takes advice (the GENERALS love her. Both when she was secretary of state and in the Senate. She would actually sit and listen and ask questions, not just wave her arms and make policy). I think her priorities are mostly in line. Does she have a decent relationship with big business/the stock market? GOOD. Business and growth and jobs have all done better under recent democratic presidents than they have under the Republican counterparts. Our country needs effective, honest trade and business policies.

The email thing is much not that big a deal. Benghazi is a fabrication.

Is she a bit chilly? Heck yeah. But if she were sweet and bubbly people would be saying "See? A woman cannot be president! She cannot be president! She's not tough enough!"

But in the end it comes down to a more simplistic equation, ANYONE is better than Trump. Dear god.

[Bascitball]

I think that many people forget/are distracted from the big picture reasons for voting Trump. Trump (wish it were someone else) finally represents a chance to elect an outsider (I know, somewhat debatable given his money and influence on politicians). Both sides seem to be fighting against Trump and this is evidence to some people that he will shake things up (for good or bad, we can all agree that D.C. need to be shaken). I'm not saying that Trump is the best vessel to carry out change, but major change is desired by a majority of Americans.

1. Washington corruption - really speaks for itself. People are just sick of same old politics with seemingly no actual improvement to our daily lives.

2. Politicians and elites are above the law - We've all made mistakes, but it seems that politicians can get away with anything. Having 1 set of rules for rich politicians and a different set for the rest of us does not sit well. Elections are our only way to prosecute this.

3. Media bias - people can feel when they're being oversold on a product and there is some natural skepticism and push-back to this. Are we really in the middle of a great recovery from recession? Are we seeing peace in our country? Are we even having an honest debate about the risks to our safety?

I know there is plenty to tear apart here - have fun .

[League Circles]

Hahaha GINT referred to women and racial minorities as "specific demographics" and implied that they are special interests!

Umm, women are over half of the electorate alone, and when you add black and hispanic males with women you're probably talking 2/3 of the electorate. Then of course there are no shortage of white males who prefer clinton over trump. SMH

[G I N T]

At this point, I have to ask folks like GINT. What would Trump have to say to get you to say, "Okay, that's over the line, you simply cannot say that as a leader of our country."

There has to be a point where being a conservative simply isn't enough to justify Trump's statements, right? If you are deeply Christian, and devoutly believe that abortion is murder, I will forever disagree with you, but I won't denounce you as an idiot, etc. If you are a gun owner who passionately puts your totally sweet gun collection as a key to your vote, hey, more power to you, I guess. If you ardently believe that the kitchen staff in the bar I work, all illegal immigrants working filthy hours for three hundred bucks a week, which they send back to their families, are ruining America, that's on you, man!

At what point do you draw the line, as a conservative? I've always leaned left, sure. I suppose I'm biased, since I am a white male American, and I currently have exactly (1) other white male, straight American friend, while everyone else I hang out with, talk to, and work with are non-American, women, or LBGT, or more than one.

GINT, what would Trump have to say that would make you say "Okay, that's just unacceptable." Over and over, awful liberal media aside, out of his own mouth the man has belittled Latin Americans, Muslims, women, blacks. Surely you would prefer, say Mitt Romney or John Kasich, right?

Again, different priorities. National security, shoring up borders for safety reasons, economics/financial policies, trade deals, etc - all this matters far more in electing a president than controversial/offensive comments, many of which were made decades ago and therefore are irrelevant to today.

Clinton/Obama's views on terrorism/national security are absolutely crazy. Obama/Clinton are in fact responsible for the creation of ISIS. Obama and Clinton are both responsible for some of the most lopsided and damaging trade deals the US has ever made, and as well responsible for unaffordable health care deals and pitiful unemployment stats.

The disproportionate number of Hispanics/Blacks and women who are voting against Trump is the reason Hillary will win the election. Doesn't matter how awful her decision-making and policies are, have been in the past and will be for the future.

There are issues facing America that are 1000x more important than the derogatory/offensive language towards women and Hispanics.

[the ultimates]

I think that many people forget/are distracted from the big picture reasons for voting Trump. Trump (wish it were someone else) finally represents a chance to elect an outsider (I know, somewhat debatable given his money and influence on politicians). Both sides seem to be fighting against Trump and this is evidence to some people that he will shake things up (for good or bad, we can all agree that D.C. need to be shaken). I'm not saying that Trump is the best vessel to carry out change, but major change is desired by a majority of Americans.

1. Washington corruption - really speaks for itself. People are just sick of same old politics with seemingly no actual improvement to our daily lives.

2. Politicians and elites are above the law - We've all made mistakes, but it seems that politicians can get away with anything. Having 1 set of rules for rich politicians and a different set for the rest of us does not sit well. Elections are our only way to prosecute this.

3. Media bias - people can feel when they're being oversold on a product and there is some natural skepticism and push-back to this. Are we really in the middle of a great recovery from recession? Are we seeing peace in our country? Are we even having an honest debate about the risks to our safety?

I know there is plenty to tear apart here - have fun .

How is he the best to carry out change because he's never held public office? He used his money an influence with both republicans and democrats to forward his interests particularly in business with real estate. That's no different than the Koch brothers or George Soros. Wouldn't Trump fit into that elite category that's above the law?

[DarthDiggler69]

i follow politics like a hawk but havent been on RealGm for a while. im Republican but I already made up my mind a year ago Im not voting for Trump. Im either Evan McMullin or Hillary (if its a close race)


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[TimRobbins]

G I N T, you have it backwards. Hillary isn't winning the election, Trump is losing it. And he's losing it based on the same types of things he's been doing dating back to when he was spearheading the Birther smear.

The indictment of America isn't that Hillary will win. The indictment is that Trump garnered enough support to be one of the nominees.

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Very few would argue differently.

However, another 8 years of the same policies which have made most people in this country poorer over the past 30+ years is far worse than anything Trump could do.

An economy that's meant to serve the few over the many cannot exist forever. It's a matter of time until it collapses in a violent rage. We've seen small previews. 8 more years of Hillary and the Ferguson riots will look like a walk in the park.

I can understand why a person would not want to vote for Trump. I don't want to vote for him, but voting for Hillary is far worse. It's accepting corruption in its ugliest form. Voting for Hillary is basically giving up on this country. So yeah, I'll vote for Trump even though I despise him and believe he's a complete idiot. I'll vote for him to send the message that the status quo isn't acceptable. Something needs to change, even if that change is Trump.

[TimRobbins]

I think people underestimate Hil. She's tough (as nails) smart (people felt she was marrying down w/ Bill. She was expected to be the shooting star). She listens and takes advice (the GENERALS love her. Both when she was secretary of state and in the Senate. She would actually sit and listen and ask questions, not just wave her arms and make policy). I think her priorities are mostly in line. Does she have a decent relationship with big business/the stock market? GOOD. Business and growth and jobs have all done better under recent democratic presidents than they have under the Republican counterparts. Our country needs effective, honest trade and business policies.

But in the end it comes down to a more simplistic equation, ANYONE is better than Trump. Dear god.

Nobody is underestimating her. She's definitely smart, tough and ruthless. There's only one small problem here - she doesn't work for the citizens of this country. She could care less about the quality of life of the majority of people in this country. She serves a handful of special interests whose goal is to transfer wealth from the majority of the people to the few. If you haven't noticed, that's what's been going on for the past 30+ years.

Hillary and co. have made you believe that business "growth" is the only metric for economic prosperity. In reality, growth is only one metric. Think of an economy with 100 people and GDP of $1M. In that economy, every person earns $10,000. Now think of an economy with 100 people and a GDP of $2M when one person earns $1.99M and everyone else gets $10. In which country would you like to live? the first of the second? Hillary would like to make you believe option B is better. If you believe that, then vote for Hillary.

[bentheredengthat]

It just never ends with this guy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lied-donating-9-11-charities-article-1.2829908

Has there ever been a more despicable person in the running for a high-profile political office, let alone PotUS?

It will be interesting to see what happens to his businesses after the election. IMO, the "Trump" brand-name has been damaged and that has been a major part of his business. And, he is older now to regrow the whole brand. And, probably many loopholes he has used will be closed.


I can see him starting a modern version of Howard Stern type channel and another channel which caters to crazy political/nationalistic conspiracy theories.

this is exactly what is going to happen. I guarantee you that Sean Hannity already has a contract roughed out.

[Axl Rose]

i think GINT is trying to say that the only reason Hillary would win is because Trump isn't liked by minorities or women, so they'll vote for Hillary just to spite Trump.

[GetBuLLish]

I can understand why a person would not want to vote for Trump. I don't want to vote for him, but voting for Hillary is far worse. It's accepting corruption in its ugliest form. Voting for Hillary is basically giving up on this country. So yeah, I'll vote for Trump even though I despise him and believe he's a complete idiot. I'll vote for him to send the message that the status quo isn't acceptable. Something needs to change, even if that change is Trump.

This is a great way to put it. I'm not going to vote for Trump (probably not going to vote at all) but if I did, this would be the reason why.

And the Wikileaks release (which of course is barely getting any media coverage in comparison to Trump) has confirmed how corrupt and dishonest Clinton and Co. are.

[Bascitball]

I think that many people forget/are distracted from the big picture reasons for voting Trump. Trump (wish it were someone else) finally represents a chance to elect an outsider (I know, somewhat debatable given his money and influence on politicians). Both sides seem to be fighting against Trump and this is evidence to some people that he will shake things up (for good or bad, we can all agree that D.C. need to be shaken). I'm not saying that Trump is the best vessel to carry out change, but major change is desired by a majority of Americans.

1. Washington corruption - really speaks for itself. People are just sick of same old politics with seemingly no actual improvement to our daily lives.

2. Politicians and elites are above the law - We've all made mistakes, but it seems that politicians can get away with anything. Having 1 set of rules for rich politicians and a different set for the rest of us does not sit well. Elections are our only way to prosecute this.

3. Media bias - people can feel when they're being oversold on a product and there is some natural skepticism and push-back to this. Are we really in the middle of a great recovery from recession? Are we seeing peace in our country? Are we even having an honest debate about the risks to our safety?

I know there is plenty to tear apart here - have fun .

How is he the best to carry out change because he's never held public office? He used his money an influence with both republicans and democrats to forward his interests particularly in business with real estate. That's no different than the Koch brothers or George Soros. Wouldn't Trump fit into that elite category that's above the law?

I think your post shows how poor of a job Trump has done on selling himself as the agent of change. Yes, he has pointed out that Clinton has been around politics for 30 years. And he's tried to highlight that BOTH Dems and Repubs hate him (along with the media). However, he's failed to emphasize specifically how he plans to tear down Washington and build it back up.

I find it interesting that Trump basically held moderate Democrat views for most of his life. I think he saw a path to victory this year by running against the incumbent party with a populist/anti-globalist message. What is funny to me (and I really wish we could run an experiment in an alternate universe) is if Trump simply altered a few policies, he might have been able to run and win as a Dem. For instance:

1. Sensible gun control - nothing crazy, but a large majority of the USA is open to "sensible" gun control, so it's popular.

2. Take the middle ground on abortion - the most popular opinion is that abortion should be legal up to about 20 weeks - again take the most popular stance and be seen as "reasonable."

3. Illegal immigration - people want to feel safe. Don't say anything extreme - just make it clear that we cannot bring in illegal immigrants and refugees like the UK, France, and Germany without risking some amount of safety.

How fun would it be to have that experiment in another universe where he runs as a Dem on his current platform with only the 3 adjustments from the list above? I wonder how the media would treat him if he had a D in front of his name and if he touted himself as a moderate that would shake up Washington and run this country like a successful businessman not a bought and paid for politician. Imagine if the media was trying to hide his flaws and downplay his negatives. It sure would be interesting.

I actually have a feeling that he still basically believes the above, but runs a much more extreme campaign to hold his base of voters. Another funny thing is how much Trump sounds like Bill Clinton from the 90's. It's just that the country has moved so far left over the last 20 years.

[the ultimates]

I think that many people forget/are distracted from the big picture reasons for voting Trump. Trump (wish it were someone else) finally represents a chance to elect an outsider (I know, somewhat debatable given his money and influence on politicians). Both sides seem to be fighting against Trump and this is evidence to some people that he will shake things up (for good or bad, we can all agree that D.C. need to be shaken). I'm not saying that Trump is the best vessel to carry out change, but major change is desired by a majority of Americans.

1. Washington corruption - really speaks for itself. People are just sick of same old politics with seemingly no actual improvement to our daily lives.

2. Politicians and elites are above the law - We've all made mistakes, but it seems that politicians can get away with anything. Having 1 set of rules for rich politicians and a different set for the rest of us does not sit well. Elections are our only way to prosecute this.

3. Media bias - people can feel when they're being oversold on a product and there is some natural skepticism and push-back to this. Are we really in the middle of a great recovery from recession? Are we seeing peace in our country? Are we even having an honest debate about the risks to our safety?

I know there is plenty to tear apart here - have fun .

How is he the best to carry out change because he's never held public office? He used his money an influence with both republicans and democrats to forward his interests particularly in business with real estate. That's no different than the Koch brothers or George Soros. Wouldn't Trump fit into that elite category that's above the law?

I think your post shows how poor of a job Trump has done on selling himself as the agent of change. Yes, he has pointed out that Clinton has been around politics for 30 years. And he's tried to highlight that BOTH Dems and Repubs hate him (along with the media). However, he's failed to emphasize specifically how he plans to tear down Washington and build it back up.

I find it interesting that Trump basically held moderate Democrat views for most of his life. I think he saw a path to victory this year by running against the incumbent party with a populist/anti-globalist message. What is funny to me (and I really wish we could run an experiment in an alternate universe) is if Trump simply altered a few policies, he might have been able to run and win as a Dem. For instance:

1. Sensible gun control - nothing crazy, but a large majority of the USA is open to "sensible" gun control, so it's popular.

2. Take the middle ground on abortion - the most popular opinion is that abortion should be legal up to about 20 weeks - again take the most popular stance and be seen as "reasonable."

3. Illegal immigration - people want to feel safe. Don't say anything extreme - just make it clear that we cannot bring in illegal immigrants and refugees like the UK, France, and Germany without risking some amount of safety.

How fun would it be to have that experiment in another universe where he runs as a Dem on his current platform with only the 3 adjustments from the list above? I wonder how the media would treat him if he had a D in front of his name and if he touted himself as a moderate that would shake up Washington and run this country like a successful businessman not a bought and paid for politician. Imagine if the media was trying to hide his flaws and downplay his negatives. It sure would be interesting.

I actually have a feeling that he still basically believes the above, but runs a much more extreme campaign to hold his base of voters. Another funny thing is how much Trump sounds like Bill Clinton from the 90's. It's just that the country has moved so far left over the last 20 years.

Trump sounds like Clinton from the 90's? We remember that decade very differently then.

1. Neither side wants to do anything about gun control.
2. A woman's right to choose has been legally decided. So taking a more popular or reasonable stance doesn't change anything.
3. Where would these illegal immigrants be coming from? Immigrants who come from overseas are already vetted, it not some rubber stamp that just allows them in. The incidents that have happened recently haven't been been by immigrants but by American citizens who became radicals.

[r1terrell23]

G I N T, you have it backwards. Hillary isn't winning the election, Trump is losing it. And he's losing it based on the same types of things he's been doing dating back to when he was spearheading the Birther smear.

The indictment of America isn't that Hillary will win. The indictment is that Trump garnered enough support to be one of the nominees.

Yeah, Trump is terrible. Very few would argue differently.

However, another 8 years of the same policies which have made most people in this country poorer over the past 30+ years is far worse than anything Trump could do.

An economy that's meant to serve the few over the many cannot exist forever. It's a matter of time until it collapses in a violent rage. We've seen small previews. 8 more years of Hillary and the Ferguson riots will look like a walk in the park.

I can understand why a person would not want to vote for Trump. I don't want to vote for him, but voting for Hillary is far worse. It's accepting corruption in its ugliest form. Voting for Hillary is basically giving up on this country. So yeah, I'll vote for Trump even though I despise him and believe he's a complete idiot. I'll vote for him to send the message that the status quo isn't acceptable. Something needs to change, even if that change is Trump.

This is what I don't understand about people voting for Trump. What makes you all think he is going to help the economy for the middle class and poor people? Donald Trump couldn't care less about poor people and has done nothing to help them. He discriminates against them, calls them names, and even doesn't pay them for doing work for him. He steals money from them with fake foundations and Universities too. At least Hillary who loves big business has actually created policies to help poor people financially and in the justice system.

[r1terrell23]

I can understand why a person would not want to vote for Trump. I don't want to vote for him, but voting for Hillary is far worse. It's accepting corruption in its ugliest form. Voting for Hillary is basically giving up on this country. So yeah, I'll vote for Trump even though I despise him and believe he's a complete idiot. I'll vote for him to send the message that the status quo isn't acceptable. Something needs to change, even if that change is Trump.

This is a great way to put it. I'm not going to vote for Trump (probably not going to vote at all) but if I did, this would be the reason why.

And the Wikileaks release (which of course is barely getting any media coverage in comparison to Trump) has confirmed how corrupt and dishonest Clinton and Co. are.

Fair point but all politicians are corrupt, that's a fact in one way or another. Trump is being ran by Russia and China and if he gets into office this entire country will be too.