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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#861 » by Capn'O » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:47 pm

CJackson wrote:BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943


He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#862 » by ToastinKP » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:27 pm

Capn'O wrote:
CJackson wrote:BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943


He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.


Taibbi is considered a well respected political journalist not an entertainment writer.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#863 » by ToastinKP » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:30 pm

Hillary Clinton's TRUE Ideology Revealed By WikiLeaks



One of the few journalists covering the leaks....

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuMo0RRtnNDuMB8DV5stEag/videos
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#864 » by captvict » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:32 pm

If trump stays focused on the wiki leaks and the now religious overtones in some of those leaks he's in. If he continues to get distracted on defending himself with past accusations he's out. Simple as that
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#865 » by N8isScofield » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:49 pm

captvict wrote:If trump stays focused on the wiki leaks and the now religious overtones in some of those leaks he's in. If he continues to get distracted on defending himself with past accusations he's out. Simple as that

In what? He's not winning. He's trailing in virtually every battleground state he needs. You can bet your bottom dollar that more tapes/accusations etc. will come out before election day and you can bet that he'll handle it terribly.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#866 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:51 pm

Capn'O wrote:
CJackson wrote:BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943


He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.


Taibbi isn't an entertainment writer.

Read his books. He's a journalist.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#867 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:55 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:The one thing this presidential race has been good for is that it produced this GOAT column that perfectly describes 99% of the "experts" fearmongering against Trump.

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.a18rgnm6s

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only will he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.


That is some seriously dumb stuff Rasho.

Historically my family and those from generations before myself I knew growing up didn't fall for BS communisn, were not Stalinists and Maoist. What a crock. My family were staunchly against false patriot bullies like Joe McCarthy, not something you would particularly understand.

And the idea that having strong opposition to an idiot succubus like Trump means you are the kind of person who is prone to prescribing all forms of manners and habits to others is more of your ludricrous fixation on exposing political correctness.

That is an incredibly dumb article and you think it is brilliant.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#868 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
CJackson wrote:BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943


He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.


Taibbi isn't an entertainment writer.

Read his books. He's a journalist.


He is a journalist, just one without filters and the legit wit and a real venom that punches up his acute observations with vicious hilarity.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#869 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:01 pm

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ClydeRules wrote:That's very fair of you but can you make it a Diet Coke?

Jill Stein is now saying that Hillary is provoking a nuclear war with Russia. How dangerous is this crazy Hillary? How far is she willing to go in her lust for power and fortune? We should be annihilating ISIS, not provoking a nuclear war with Russia.

Oh, could you make it a Diet Pepsi instead?

Jill Stein: Hillary will start a nuclear war with Russia. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html


Stop with the hysterical nonsense

Clinton is not the president and has not been secretary of state for a long time now

You just sound like a nutjob saying Clinton is starting a war when the only thing she can do right now is campaign for the job


You're the same as those Trump supporters but dressed in Hillary blond.

Dude, Hillary is in bed with all those countries hell-bent on getting that gas pipeline from Saudi to EU through Syria.

Russia, Brazil, India, China and South Africa (Brics) are pulling away from petrodollars. Libya and Iraq tried to join, see where it got them. Hillary's job is to prevent this from happening, book it.

You're purposely and stereotypically blind to Hillary Clinton and her Arab Spring madness during her tenure as Secty of State. She was in, got it done and got the fk out.

Oh yea, read this as well:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16030

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup


The demise of Russia hangs in the balance and I doubt they have a gazillion dollars invested in Military to let it happen. Wars have happened and will happen again,,,, book it. We're a fkd up species hell-bend on our very own destruction and hey I'm not even mainstream religious, but it's true.
Global warming, oil, gas, petrodollars etc.

Avoid responding to me unless you come open and well read on Hillary. Not just screaming " no way, no way", you sound ignorant.


Considering how I responded to you on another post yesterday at length, thoughtfully and calmly and that went nowhere, no you're right I don't see any reason to continue with you.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#870 » by Amsterdam » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:09 pm

CJackson wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
CJackson wrote:
Stop with the hysterical nonsense

Clinton is not the president and has not been secretary of state for a long time now

You just sound like a nutjob saying Clinton is starting a war when the only thing she can do right now is campaign for the job


You're the same as those Trump supporters but dressed in Hillary blond.

Dude, Hillary is in bed with all those countries hell-bent on getting that gas pipeline from Saudi to EU through Syria.

Russia, Brazil, India, China and South Africa (Brics) are pulling away from petrodollars. Libya and Iraq tried to join, see where it got them. Hillary's job is to prevent this from happening, book it.

You're purposely and stereotypically blind to Hillary Clinton and her Arab Spring madness during her tenure as Secty of State. She was in, got it done and got the fk out.

Oh yea, read this as well:

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16030

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup


The demise of Russia hangs in the balance and I doubt they have a gazillion dollars invested in Military to let it happen. Wars have happened and will happen again,,,, book it. We're a fkd up species hell-bend on our very own destruction and hey I'm not even mainstream religious, but it's true.
Global warming, oil, gas, petrodollars etc.

Avoid responding to me unless you come open and well read on Hillary. Not just screaming " no way, no way", you sound ignorant.


Considering how I responded to you on another post yesterday at length, thoughtfully and calmly and that went nowhere, no you're right I don't see any reason to continue with you.


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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#871 » by Rasho Brezec » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:10 pm

CJackson wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:The one thing this presidential race has been good for is that it produced this GOAT column that perfectly describes 99% of the "experts" fearmongering against Trump.

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.a18rgnm6s

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only will he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.


That is some seriously dumb stuff Rasho.

Historically my family and those from generations before myself I knew growing up didn't fall for BS communisn, were not Stalinists and Maoist. What a crock. My family were staunchly against false patriot bullies like Joe McCarthy, not something you would particularly understand.

And the idea that having strong opposition to an idiot succubus like Trump means you are the kind of person who is prone to prescribing all forms of manners and habits to others is more of your ludricrous fixation on exposing political correctness.

That is an incredibly dumb article and you think it is brilliant.

It's okay, plenty of people have a problem keeping up with Mr. Taleb, he's just that much smarter than everyone.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#872 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:20 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
CJackson wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:The one thing this presidential race has been good for is that it produced this GOAT column that perfectly describes 99% of the "experts" fearmongering against Trump.

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.a18rgnm6s






That is some seriously dumb stuff Rasho.

Historically my family and those from generations before myself I knew growing up didn't fall for BS communisn, were not Stalinists and Maoist. What a crock. My family were staunchly against false patriot bullies like Joe McCarthy, not something you would particularly understand.

And the idea that having strong opposition to an idiot succubus like Trump means you are the kind of person who is prone to prescribing all forms of manners and habits to others is more of your ludricrous fixation on exposing political correctness.

That is an incredibly dumb article and you think it is brilliant.


It's okay, plenty of people have a problem keeping up with Mr. Taleb, he's just that much smarter than everyone.


You're like a fisherman who on a bad day at sea will still present a half-dead trout caught in a sewer as if it is a sea bass and say you had a good day of work.

That you actually think I am not fully aware of Taleb and his work is pretty comical unto itself. He has done some good work, but unfortunately the success of the Black Swan pumped up his arrogant self-assumption at being a world class prognositcator when that article you cited shows he is prone to writing some of the most turgid and useless swill imaginable.

Look at this phrase:

"Beware the semi-erudite who thinks he is an erudite. He fails to naturally detect sophistry."

Who is he kidding here? He is engaged in full-blown sophistry in that article. For example, this doozy:

"While rich people believe in one tax dollar one vote, more humanistic ones in one man one vote, Monsanto in one lobbyist one vote, the IYI believes in one Ivy League degree one-vote, with some equivalence for foreign elite schools and PhDs as these are needed in the club."

WTF is that? That is pure drivel and BS.

The whole article shows he is the one guilty of trying to look smart by coining a new abbreviation with which to lump together and brow beat a group he wishes to disdain. Instead of actually just voicing his concerns he shows he is the one with the intellectual vanity by blathering about IYY's as if he is a really clever boy who nailed his target.

That chit is weak
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Post#874 » by earthmansurfer » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:53 pm

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captvict wrote:If trump stays focused on the wiki leaks and the now religious overtones in some of those leaks he's in. If he continues to get distracted on defending himself with past accusations he's out. Simple as that

In what? He's not winning. He's trailing in virtually every battleground state he needs. You can bet your bottom dollar that more tapes/accusations etc. will come out before election day and you can bet that he'll handle it terribly.


Depends on the polls you look at. Trump is certainly winning on some.
Hillary attacked Trump on sexual grounds, while she is married to Bill. That will blow-up on her.

But bigger is the Wiki-leaks are just slowly building up on Hillary. Not sure how much longer this is going to be ignored by mainstream when more Americans are interested in it.

Big media is certainly dying and the revolution will not be broadcast on it.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#875 » by GONYK » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:12 pm

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captvict wrote:If trump stays focused on the wiki leaks and the now religious overtones in some of those leaks he's in. If he continues to get distracted on defending himself with past accusations he's out. Simple as that

In what? He's not winning. He's trailing in virtually every battleground state he needs. You can bet your bottom dollar that more tapes/accusations etc. will come out before election day and you can bet that he'll handle it terribly.


Depends on the polls you look at. Trump is certainly winning on some.


Which ones? Can you post them?

Hillary attacked Trump on sexual grounds, while she is married to Bill. That will blow-up on her.


Why? Bill isn't running. She is, and she hasn't committed any sexual crimes. Holding a woman accountable for something a man did would only increase claims of sexism.

But bigger is the Wiki-leaks are just slowly building up on Hillary. Not sure how much longer this is going to be ignored by mainstream when more Americans are interested in it.

Big media is certainly dying and the revolution will not be broadcast on it.


Perhaps, but the Wikileaks are always going to have a hard time breaking through to the casual voter, and most voters are casual voters.
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Post#877 » by K_ick_God » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Mike Murphy is a GOP operative by the way.
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Post#878 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:27 pm

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#879 » by Capn'O » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:53 pm

ToastinKP wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
CJackson wrote:BEST ARTICLE OF THE YEAR

Matt Taibbi is just fantastic. Not only does he nail the zeitgeist of this sordid era, but there are tons of belly laughs in here. It is better than Hunter S. Thompson's political campaign writing.

If there is only one more full article you read this season, make it this one. It is killer.

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943


He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.


Taibbi is considered a well respected political journalist not an entertainment writer.


He writes (excellent) political editorials for an entertainment magazine. Better?

In any event - forest/trees. Writing for RS, you're looking at events through the spectacle of theater, which is the correct lens to understand the Trump phenomenon, imo. That was my point more than anything about Taibbi's credentials or background.
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Post#880 » by CJackson » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:02 pm

Capn'O wrote:
ToastinKP wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
He's been on point the whole election. Makes sense that an entertainment writer would be the one that actually gets it right.


Taibbi is considered a well respected political journalist not an entertainment writer.


He writes (excellent) political editorials for an entertainment magazine. Better?

In any event - forest/trees. Writing for RS, you're looking at events through the spectacle of theater, which is the correct lens to understand the Trump phenomenon, imo. That was my point more than anything about Taibbi's credentials or background.


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