Where is Nerlens?

[MatthewGeigerII]

Mahimi out 6 weeks for Washington - IMO they can't afford a slow start with the pressure on that team ... Call them now!


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[rzzzzz]

if we offered Noel for McCaw I actually think GS says no. Now call ME crazy. Lol

i don't know. winning another title, while they can, trumps everything. they got plenty of offense, and i think Noel is THE perfect fit for the league's premier small ball roster. i'm more worried that McCaw isn't as shiny as he looks right now. but i think GSW definitely stole him in the draft.

[hookshot199]

Call me crazy, but I'd trade Noel to GSW for McCaw and a 2018 first.

I actually don't hate that trade. And I actually think that would be a fair trade for both teams. Noel could start right away unlike McCaw. In 2-3 years McCaw could be better and be used a lot more for Golden St though. This year I'm not so sure how much he will be used but if he continues to play this well he will get 15-20 minutes per game and Golden St might say no. Noel would be foolproof for GS though. The downside is that Noel is in his last year so I don't know if GS has the money to match another team so it would be a one year rental. So with that said if we offered Noel for McCaw I actually think GS says no. Now call ME crazy. Lol

Take a page from Hinkie. Wait for the trade to come to us. We have no reason to do something foolish. We gave the money and cap space to match any offer next July. Someone's going to get an injury, or somebody's not going to perform up to expectation.

[hookshot199]

Mahimi out 6 weeks for Washington - IMO they can't afford a slow start with the pressure on that team ... Call them now!

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And get what?

[kriss73]

if we offered Noel for McCaw I actually think GS says no. Now call ME crazy. Lol

Damn!

I've just read what "the right Jerry" (West, not Colangelo) said about McCaw, right after the draft: ""People are gonna be sorry they didn't draft him".
So McCaw is basically untradable and probably a future HoF.

[MatthewGeigerII]

Mahimi out 6 weeks for Washington - IMO they can't afford a slow start with the pressure on that team ... Call them now!

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And get what?

Porter, oubre, or future picks around the time they "could blow up"


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[hookshot199]

Mahimi out 6 weeks for Washington - IMO they can't afford a slow start with the pressure on that team ... Call them now!

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And get what?

Porter, oubre, or future picks around the time they "could blow up"

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How is Oubre better than Robert Covington? He might be, I guess. But just because he's playing reasonably well in pre-season doesn't seem to be the best test of his potential upside. Games really don't count. As for Porter, what has he done to distinguish himself?

[Sixerscan]

Not sure if anyone is going to trade for Nerlens (or Okafor frankly) until he comes back from his injury.

[MatthewGeigerII]

And get what?

Porter, oubre, or future picks around the time they "could blow up"

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How is Oubre better than Robert Covington? He might be, I guess. But just because he's playing reasonably well in pre-season doesn't seem to be the best test of his potential upside. Games really don't count. As for Porter, what has he done to distinguish himself?

Right Now? He could be - maybe it's close to even. still.
but that's not what this move is about. it's about the minutes available at the C/PF spots vs SG/SF spots.

Also $ .. oubre is in control until 2020 on a rookie deal. that's why i doubt they would trade him. but it's also why they probably won't match porter's contract if oubre can take his spot. He's also 20.

Porter is 23 - and on the same timeline as Noel contract wise it makes sense to swap. esp with both teams in question for extending their guys. What has he done? nothing flashy but he's a proved to be a pretty solid defender, and perimeter defense is really needed on this team... every team shoots 3's against us currently at ridiculous rates.


RoCo is 25 and on a sweet cheap deal for 2 seasons. Not saying i want to get rid of him but the other 2 guys are more of a future play and for depth...

behind RoCo at SF is Hollis ... and then you have your 4s playing the 3 in Grant, Saric, and maybe Simmons.
at SG - Henderson and Nik as well? to me those 2 spots are wide open and can be improved.

[hookshot199]

Porter, oubre, or future picks around the time they "could blow up"

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How is Oubre better than Robert Covington? He might be, I guess. But just because he's playing reasonably well in pre-season doesn't seem to be the best test of his potential upside. Games really don't count. As for Porter, what has he done to distinguish himself?

Right Now? He could be - maybe it's close to even. still.
but that's not what this move is about. it's about the minutes available at the C/PF spots vs SG/SF spots.

Also $ .. oubre is in control until 2020 on a rookie deal. that's why i doubt they would trade him. but it's also why they probably won't match porter's contract if oubre can take his spot. He's also 20.

Porter is 23 - and on the same timeline as Noel contract wise it makes sense to swap. esp with both teams in question for extending their guys. What has he done? nothing flashy but he's a proved to be a pretty solid defender, and perimeter defense is really needed on this team... every team shoots 3's against us currently at ridiculous rates.


RoCo is 25 and on a sweet cheap deal for 2 seasons. Not saying i want to get rid of him but the other 2 guys are more of a future play and for depth...

behind RoCo at SF is Hollis ... and then you have your 4s playing the 3 in Grant, Saric, and maybe Simmons.
at SG - Henderson and Nik as well? to me those 2 spots are wide open and can be improved.

[hookshot199]

How is Oubre better than Robert Covington? He might be, I guess. But just because he's playing reasonably well in pre-season doesn't seem to be the best test of his potential upside. Games really don't count. As for Porter, what has he done to distinguish himself?

Right Now? He could be - maybe it's close to even. still.
but that's not what this move is about. it's about the minutes available at the C/PF spots vs SG/SF spots.

Also $ .. oubre is in control until 2020 on a rookie deal. that's why i doubt they would trade him. but it's also why they probably won't match porter's contract if oubre can take his spot. He's also 20.

Porter is 23 - and on the same timeline as Noel contract wise it makes sense to swap. esp with both teams in question for extending their guys. What has he done? nothing flashy but he's a proved to be a pretty solid defender, and perimeter defense is really needed on this team... every team shoots 3's against us currently at ridiculous rates.


RoCo is 25 and on a sweet cheap deal for 2 seasons. Not saying i want to get rid of him but the other 2 guys are more of a future play and for depth...

behind RoCo at SF is Hollis ... and then you have your 4s playing the 3 in Grant, Saric, and maybe Simmons.
at SG - Henderson and Nik as well? to me those 2 spots are wide open and can be improved.

Mr. Geiger, Noel is an elite big man on defense. They're relatively rare. And you don't trade, in my humble opinion, on the basis of pre-season games. I think that Portland took a tremendous risk to sign McCollum to $27 mil on the basis of one season. Otto Porter has been unspectacular as a pro. And Oubre has done nothing yet. No one has made a convincing case on why we must move precipitously. Let's see how the season begins. Let's see who gets injured, who performs below expectations. We can sign Noel to $80-$100 for four years. It's not ideal, but you don't give away assets IMO. That said, if Colangelo's scouting thinks that Porter or Oubre has more upside than their performance would indicate so far, then so be it. But the idea that we have to make a trade now - for an elite defensive big man (we haven't had one since 2001) - I think that's misguided. Just my opinion. The money isn't an issue.

[MatthewGeigerII]

Right Now? He could be - maybe it's close to even. still.
but that's not what this move is about. it's about the minutes available at the C/PF spots vs SG/SF spots.

Also $ .. oubre is in control until 2020 on a rookie deal. that's why i doubt they would trade him. but it's also why they probably won't match porter's contract if oubre can take his spot. He's also 20.

Porter is 23 - and on the same timeline as Noel contract wise it makes sense to swap. esp with both teams in question for extending their guys. What has he done? nothing flashy but he's a proved to be a pretty solid defender, and perimeter defense is really needed on this team... every team shoots 3's against us currently at ridiculous rates.


RoCo is 25 and on a sweet cheap deal for 2 seasons. Not saying i want to get rid of him but the other 2 guys are more of a future play and for depth...

behind RoCo at SF is Hollis ... and then you have your 4s playing the 3 in Grant, Saric, and maybe Simmons.
at SG - Henderson and Nik as well? to me those 2 spots are wide open and can be improved.

Mr. Geiger, Noel is an elite big man on defense. They're relatively rare. And you don't trade, in my humble opinion, on the basis of pre-season games. I think that Portland took a tremendous risk to sign McCollum to $27 mil on the basis of one season. Otto Porter has been unspectacular as a pro. And Oubre has done nothing yet. No one has made a convincing case on why we must move precipitously. Let's see how the season begins. Let's see who gets injured, who performs below expectations. We can sign Noel to $80-$100 for four years. It's not ideal, but you don't give away assets IMO. That said, if Colangelo's scouting thinks that Porter or Oubre has more upside than their performance would indicate so far, then so be it. But the idea that we have to make a trade now - for an elite defensive big man (we haven't had one since 2001) - I think that's misguided. Just my opinion. The money isn't an issue.

i feel you - i'm under the impression that he will not be resigned and to get something for him now instead of letting him walk.

But resigning Noel changes the whole conversation - i agree.

[Ericb5]

The "sign him or not sign him" question with Noel doesn't happen until the summer, and the trade deadline is in between then and now.

If we are going to take a crappy deal, we don't have to take it until the deadline. None of us know what type of offers are coming in for Noel, but I think that leverage wise, that the time to make a deal was this past summer, or at the deadline. Teams aren't really thinking of trades this early in the season because they have already decided what team they are starting the season with, and it hasn't been long enough for them to change their thinking of what they have.

He may get traded before the deadline, but if he is, I would expect that it would be us dumping Noel for poor value.

I'm not a big fan of Oubre or Porter, but of course, I'm not a big fan of keeping Noel on the team either. If we could get one of them for him it may be worth it. We need wings, and guards, and specifically we need shooters, and perimeter defenders.

I would much prefer a Marcus Smart or Brandon Knight over Porter or Oubre.

[hookshot199]

The "sign him or not sign him" question with Noel doesn't happen until the summer, and the trade deadline is in between then and now.

If we are going to take a crappy deal, we don't have to take it until the deadline. None of us know what type of offers are coming in for Noel, but I think that leverage wise, that the time to make a deal was this past summer, or at the deadline. Teams aren't really thinking of trades this early in the season because they have already decided what team they are starting the season with, and it hasn't been long enough for them to change their thinking of what they have.

He may get traded before the deadline, but if he is, I would expect that it would be us dumping Noel for poor value.

I'm not a big fan of Oubre or Porter, but of course, I'm not a big fan of keeping Noel on the team either. If we could get one of them for him it may be worth it. We need wings, and guards, and specifically we need shooters, and perimeter defenders.

I would much prefer a Marcus Smart or Brandon Knight over Porter or Oubre.

But Marcus Smart can't shoot. Brandon Knight? Contract-wise, he's locked in until 2020. That's good. But is he the player we want with possibly two top-10 picks in next June's draft, which is guard heavy? And do we need a conventional guard if Simmons is going to do a lot of the playmaking?

[Ericb5]

The "sign him or not sign him" question with Noel doesn't happen until the summer, and the trade deadline is in between then and now.

If we are going to take a crappy deal, we don't have to take it until the deadline. None of us know what type of offers are coming in for Noel, but I think that leverage wise, that the time to make a deal was this past summer, or at the deadline. Teams aren't really thinking of trades this early in the season because they have already decided what team they are starting the season with, and it hasn't been long enough for them to change their thinking of what they have.

He may get traded before the deadline, but if he is, I would expect that it would be us dumping Noel for poor value.

I'm not a big fan of Oubre or Porter, but of course, I'm not a big fan of keeping Noel on the team either. If we could get one of them for him it may be worth it. We need wings, and guards, and specifically we need shooters, and perimeter defenders.

I would much prefer a Marcus Smart or Brandon Knight over Porter or Oubre.

But Marcus Smart can't shoot. Brandon Knight? Contract-wise, he's locked in until 2020. That's good. But is he the player we want with possibly two top-10 picks in next June's draft, which is guard heavy? And do we need a conventional guard if Simmons is going to do a lot of the playmaking?

Smart can't shoot, but of course, if he could he would be a potential star. He is one hell of a perimeter defender though.

[Negrodamus]

I'm still thinking it's Brandon Knight for Nerlens, but I think there will be more to it and it might not be to our fanbase's liking.

My guess would be Nerlens and Covington for Brandon Knight and Archie Goodwin. I think the Suns want to compete now with Bledsoe and Booker, so they want a defensive presence down low that can run on offense and a three point shooter at 3. It's too much, but Hinkie's not in charge any more. I don't think Colangelo wants to pay Covington at the end of his contract either. On top of that, we have a Saric/Simmons/even Grant situation that can work at the 3.

I'm not wild about that trade, but I understand it. Nerlens is going to want a massive contract that we can't give him. He'd be more likely to stay with UK players that have a need at big man. Knight is pretty much the prototypical PG we need for this team. Goodwin still has potential and is viciously athletic.

[Ericb5]

I'm still thinking it's Brandon Knight for Nerlens, but I think there will be more to it and it might not be to our fanbase's liking.

My guess would be Nerlens and Covington for Brandon Knight and Archie Goodwin. I think the Suns want to compete now with Bledsoe and Booker, so they want a defensive presence down low that can run on offense and a three point shooter at 3. It's too much, but Hinkie's not in charge any more. I don't think Colangelo wants to pay Covington at the end of his contract either. On top of that, we have a Saric/Simmons/even Grant situation that can work at the 3.

I'm not wild about that trade, but I understand it. Nerlens is going to want a massive contract that we can't give him. He'd be more likely to stay with UK players that have a need at big man. Knight is pretty much the prototypical PG we need for this team. Goodwin still has potential and is viciously athletic.

That would be fine with me.

Covington has little value to me. Yes, he is a role player that can shoot, and we need those, but he might have more value to a better team right now, and therefore if he greases the skids on a deal then that is fine with me.

He isn't a difference maker, and our guards are simply not good enough. We need backcourt talent in a big way, and Knight's deal is more reasonable than the one that Noel is going to sign.


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[Negrodamus]

I'm still thinking it's Brandon Knight for Nerlens, but I think there will be more to it and it might not be to our fanbase's liking.

My guess would be Nerlens and Covington for Brandon Knight and Archie Goodwin. I think the Suns want to compete now with Bledsoe and Booker, so they want a defensive presence down low that can run on offense and a three point shooter at 3. It's too much, but Hinkie's not in charge any more. I don't think Colangelo wants to pay Covington at the end of his contract either. On top of that, we have a Saric/Simmons/even Grant situation that can work at the 3.

I'm not wild about that trade, but I understand it. Nerlens is going to want a massive contract that we can't give him. He'd be more likely to stay with UK players that have a need at big man. Knight is pretty much the prototypical PG we need for this team. Goodwin still has potential and is viciously athletic.

That would be fine with me.

Covington has little value to me. Yes, he is a role player that can shoot, and we need those, but he might have more value to a better team right now, and therefore if he greases the skids on a deal then that is fine with me.

He isn't a difference maker, and our guards are simply not good enough. We need backcourt talent in a big way, and Knight's deal is more reasonable than the one that Noel is going to sign.


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I probably view Covington as more valuable than you, but I'd do it just to get the ball rolling.

I do think bringing in Goodwin would be intriguing. If nothing else, he'll help put foul pressure on the opposing team along with Simmons, Okafor, and Embiid.

[Ericb5]

I'm still thinking it's Brandon Knight for Nerlens, but I think there will be more to it and it might not be to our fanbase's liking.

My guess would be Nerlens and Covington for Brandon Knight and Archie Goodwin. I think the Suns want to compete now with Bledsoe and Booker, so they want a defensive presence down low that can run on offense and a three point shooter at 3. It's too much, but Hinkie's not in charge any more. I don't think Colangelo wants to pay Covington at the end of his contract either. On top of that, we have a Saric/Simmons/even Grant situation that can work at the 3.

I'm not wild about that trade, but I understand it. Nerlens is going to want a massive contract that we can't give him. He'd be more likely to stay with UK players that have a need at big man. Knight is pretty much the prototypical PG we need for this team. Goodwin still has potential and is viciously athletic.

That would be fine with me.

Covington has little value to me. Yes, he is a role player that can shoot, and we need those, but he might have more value to a better team right now, and therefore if he greases the skids on a deal then that is fine with me.

He isn't a difference maker, and our guards are simply not good enough. We need backcourt talent in a big way, and Knight's deal is more reasonable than the one that Noel is going to sign.


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I probably view Covington as more valuable than you, but I'd do it just to get the ball rolling.

I do think bringing in Goodwin would be intriguing. If nothing else, he'll help put foul pressure on the opposing team along with Simmons, Okafor, and Embiid.

I'm not sure what Goodwin is, but he is more talented than Hollis Thompson for example. If we could replace Stauskus, and Thompson with Knight and Goodwin then that is an upgrade.

Hopefully we can do better than that deal, but we could definitely do a lot worse.


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[rzzzzz]

the only thing, for me, about trading Noel immediately is not having the chance to see what he could do with Embiid on the court. there is some suggestion that Joel and Jah have a strong interest in playing together, and by all means, let them have at it. but Jah himself says that Joel is talented and flexible enough to figure out how to play with anybody. plus, Nerlens made it a point to say how good he felt playing with Simmons. Ben's injury and whatever is going on now with Nerlens is most inconvenient, and the deficit in the back court is dang aggravating. but w/o a compelling trade in hand, i still want to see what Nerlens can do with our best talent.