OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[TimRobbins]

This is what I don't understand about people voting for Trump. What makes you all think he is going to help the economy for the middle class and poor people? Donald Trump couldn't care less about poor people and has done nothing to help them. He discriminates against them, calls them names, and even doesn't pay them for doing work for him. He steals money from them with fake foundations and Universities too. At least Hillary who loves big business has actually created policies to help poor people financially and in the justice system.

I don't think Trump will do much whatsoever. I do think that the mere election of Trump will disrupt the crony capitalism regime that has controlled this country for the past decades. That's a start. The other alternative is continuing business as usual and letting the car fall off the cliff.

P.S.- Stooping and removing unskilled immigration will greatly help the poor in this county.

[TimRobbins]

Fair point but all politicians are corrupt, that's a fact in one way or another. Trump is being ran by Russia and China and if he gets into office this entire country will be too.

Trump is anything but a politician. He's not being run by anybody. He's had some extreme anti-Chinese rhetoric, so I doubt he's being run by China.

BTW - the new Obama/Hillary cold war with Russia needs to end. We have no real conflict with Russia.

[MrSparkle]

Clinton/Obama's views on terrorism/national security are absolutely crazy. Obama/Clinton are in fact responsible for the creation of ISIS. Obama and Clinton are both responsible for some of the most lopsided and damaging trade deals the US has ever made, and as well responsible for unaffordable health care deals and pitiful unemployment stats.

Wow. You're gonna have to show me the Wiki entry on the Obama/Clinton conspiracy theory. Are you familiar with the 1930-2006 history of the Middle East region? To blame any current problem in that region on Obama makes no sense. Bush/Cheney brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq via false claims and 9/11 retaliations, and these "wars" opened the pandora's box for the destablization of whatever places America had their feet in.

Radical muslim/terrorist movements have been rising since the 50s, and Jihad proclamations have been the same since George HW Bush was in office. Are they more organized and more influential now? Yes. I'd factor internet networking.

Check out this documentary :

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[I_Never Lied]

Clinton/Obama's views on terrorism/national security are absolutely crazy. Obama/Clinton are in fact responsible for the creation of ISIS. Obama and Clinton are both responsible for some of the most lopsided and damaging trade deals the US has ever made, and as well responsible for unaffordable health care deals and pitiful unemployment stats.

Wow. You're gonna have to show me the Wiki entry on the Obama/Clinton conspiracy theory. Are you familiar with the 1930-2006 history of the Middle East region? To blame any current problem in that region on Obama makes no sense. Bush/Cheney brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq via false claims and 9/11 retaliations, and these "wars" opened the pandora's box for the destablization of whatever places America had their feet in.

Radical muslim/terrorist movements have been rising since the 50s, and Jihad proclamations have been the same since George HW Bush was in office. Are they more organized and more influential now? Yes. I'd factor internet networking.

Check out this documentary :

Watch on YouTube

Hilary voted for the war and Obama left not forces in Iraq when he should have. At the very least we could have plundered the Iraqi oil before we withdrew our forces.

Obama is a closet Muslim.

[waffle]

I think people underestimate Hil. She's tough (as nails) smart (people felt she was marrying down w/ Bill. She was expected to be the shooting star). She listens and takes advice (the GENERALS love her. Both when she was secretary of state and in the Senate. She would actually sit and listen and ask questions, not just wave her arms and make policy). I think her priorities are mostly in line. Does she have a decent relationship with big business/the stock market? GOOD. Business and growth and jobs have all done better under recent democratic presidents than they have under the Republican counterparts. Our country needs effective, honest trade and business policies.

But in the end it comes down to a more simplistic equation, ANYONE is better than Trump. Dear god.

Nobody is underestimating her. She's definitely smart, tough and ruthless. There's only one small problem here - she doesn't work for the citizens of this country. She could care less about the quality of life of the majority of people in this country. She serves a handful of special interests whose goal is to transfer wealth from the majority of the people to the few. If you haven't noticed, that's what's been going on for the past 30+ years.

Hillary and co. have made you believe that business "growth" is the only metric for economic prosperity. In reality, growth is only one metric. Think of an economy with 100 people and GDP of $1M. In that economy, every person earns $10,000. Now think of an economy with 100 people and a GDP of $2M when one person earns $1.99M and everyone else gets $10. In which country would you like to live? the first of the second? Hillary would like to make you believe option B is better. If you believe that, then vote for Hillary.

I don't think that is the case. Democrats now are what Republicans USED to strive for, centrist. Our country is based on 2 basic principles, capitalism and democracy. When both are strong we are strong.

Hillary has ALWAYS championed the little guy (and gal, of course. Regardless of their color). I think she believes that government can make a difference. Looks like we'll find out, he?

[RedBulls23]

Bernie Sanders was the candidate that would have changed the status quo and help the shrinking middle class, NOT Donald Trump.

There is nothing about him that shows he cares about anyone but his own self interest.

Just because Trump isn't a politician doesn't mean a damn thing. He's still corrupt, has many scandals, would actually be the one to break the US constitution, and would have been a disaster for foreign affairs even more so as well as promoting hate and violence. Dude has the temperament of a dictator.

[the ultimates]

Fair point but all politicians are corrupt, that's a fact in one way or another. Trump is being ran by Russia and China and if he gets into office this entire country will be too.

Trump is anything but a politician. He's not being run by anybody. He's had some extreme anti-Chinese rhetoric, so I doubt he's being run by China.

BTW - the new Obama/Hillary cold war with Russia needs to end. We have no real conflict with Russia.

China and Russia have been behind a number of hacks against government infrastructure including the state department over the years. That's part of the reason Clinton like Colin Powell before had a private email server. Plus I think you're overlooking the annexing of Crimea.

[I_Never Lied]

Bernie Sanders was the candidate that would have changed the status quo and help the shrinking middle class, NOT Donald Trump.

There is nothing about him that shows he cares about anyone but his own self interest.

Just because Trump isn't a politician doesn't mean a damn thing. He's still corrupt, has many scandals, would actually be the one to break the US constitution, and would have been a disaster for foreign affairs even more so as well as promoting hate and violence. Dude has the temperament of a dictator.

Bernie Sanders has three homes including a $700,000 beach front property. He has become rich like most Democrat politicians. Selling false hope to the struggling while lining their own pockets. You don't understand life.

[MrSparkle]

Clinton/Obama's views on terrorism/national security are absolutely crazy. Obama/Clinton are in fact responsible for the creation of ISIS. Obama and Clinton are both responsible for some of the most lopsided and damaging trade deals the US has ever made, and as well responsible for unaffordable health care deals and pitiful unemployment stats.

Wow. You're gonna have to show me the Wiki entry on the Obama/Clinton conspiracy theory. Are you familiar with the 1930-2006 history of the Middle East region? To blame any current problem in that region on Obama makes no sense. Bush/Cheney brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq via false claims and 9/11 retaliations, and these "wars" opened the pandora's box for the destablization of whatever places America had their feet in.

Radical muslim/terrorist movements have been rising since the 50s, and Jihad proclamations have been the same since George HW Bush was in office. Are they more organized and more influential now? Yes. I'd factor internet networking.

Check out this documentary :

Watch on YouTube

Hilary voted for the war and Obama left not forces in Iraq when he should have. At the very least we could have plundered the Iraqi oil before we withdrew our forces.

Obama is a closet Muslim.

Bush/Cheney administration presented rushed evidence to Congress that Saddam had nuclear weapon stockpile and was an imminent threat. After voting to engage in war, afterwards those claims and intelligence all turned out to be false. Almost everybody in the government voted to go to war, and any politician that would've gone opposed would've been pretty thick skinned.

All the angry libertarians think you can just get voted into congress and go anarchy style and change all the bad policies. Not so - you need to make deals at every level, with lobbyists/corporations, elder politicians and their younger proteges, and it's just a big difficult wall to break through. Outliers like Bernie exist semi-successfully in small roles (senator of *VERMONT*, perhaps the least influential state of them all) because they have a lot of experience and he has a rapport with both sides of the aisle, much unlike Trump.

As far as Obama being a closet Muslim, that's so beyond absurd that I don't even know how to respond unless you're being sarcastic in the whole post. I knew musicians who played at his church in Chicago before he was popular, years before he hit the presidential primary stage. Unless of course the Christian image was all part of a 30+ year conspiracy for him to sabotage the USA as an African-Muslim test tube baby implant that rose to Presidency right after Cheney/Bush admin. made the executive branch stronger than ever.

[I_Never Lied]

Wow. You're gonna have to show me the Wiki entry on the Obama/Clinton conspiracy theory. Are you familiar with the 1930-2006 history of the Middle East region? To blame any current problem in that region on Obama makes no sense. Bush/Cheney brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq via false claims and 9/11 retaliations, and these "wars" opened the pandora's box for the destablization of whatever places America had their feet in.

Radical muslim/terrorist movements have been rising since the 50s, and Jihad proclamations have been the same since George HW Bush was in office. Are they more organized and more influential now? Yes. I'd factor internet networking.

Check out this documentary :

Watch on YouTube

Hilary voted for the war and Obama left not forces in Iraq when he should have. At the very least we could have plundered the Iraqi oil before we withdrew our forces.

Obama is a closet Muslim.

Bush/Cheney administration presented rushed evidence to Congress that Saddam had nuclear weapon stockpile and was an imminent threat. After voting to engage in war, afterwards those claims and intelligence all turned out to be false. Almost everybody in the government voted to go to war, and any politician that would've gone opposed would've been pretty thick skinned.

All the angry libertarians think you can just get voted into congress and go anarchy style and change all the bad policies. Not so - you need to make deals at every level, with lobbyists/corporations, elder politicians and their younger proteges, and it's just a big difficult wall to break through. Outliers like Bernie exist semi-successfully in small roles (senator of *VERMONT*, perhaps the least influential state of them all) because they have a lot of experience and he has a rapport with both sides of the aisle, much unlike Trump.

As far as Obama being a closet Muslim, that's so beyond absurd that I don't even know how to respond unless you're being sarcastic in the whole post. I knew musicians who played at his church in Chicago before he was popular, years before he hit the presidential primary stage. Unless of course the Christian image was all part of a 30+ year conspiracy for him to sabotage the USA as an African-Muslim test tube baby implant that rose to Presidency right after Cheney/Bush admin. made the executive branch stronger than ever.

You must be too young to remember the goings on back in 2002. Before the congressional vote on Iraq actually took place it was widely known that the evidence presented by the Bush administration was B.S. Anyone with half a brain back then knew Bush wanted to go to war for his own reasons. Not everyone was stupid and naive as your revisionist history wants to portray.

Just like before Obama Care was passed. People were saying it was a stupid Idea and could not be paid for, and now look, it turned out to be stupid and it about to become a very expensive liability.

True or false. Did Obama bow to the King of Saudi Arabia?

[GetBuLLish]

All the angry libertarians think you can just get voted into congress and go anarchy style and change all the bad policies.

This is why discussing politics is such a useless endeavor.

Somehow, someway, an absolutely disastrous vote for the Iraq war by Clinton is used as a reason to bash libertarians (the vast majority of which opposed the war from day one, including Ron Paul). In an honest discussion, you would admit that this was an example of horribly poor judgment by Clinton.

[Mech Engineer]

Bernie Sanders was the candidate that would have changed the status quo and help the shrinking middle class, NOT Donald Trump.

There is nothing about him that shows he cares about anyone but his own self interest.

Just because Trump isn't a politician doesn't mean a damn thing. He's still corrupt, has many scandals, would actually be the one to break the US constitution, and would have been a disaster for foreign affairs even more so as well as promoting hate and violence. Dude has the temperament of a dictator.

There is a huge amount of money owned by the super-rich which can be invested in the economy. They don't need any more tax cuts to incentivize them to invest/create jobs.

Almost everyone hates the establishment because they have problems and we have analyzed their faults to death. But, that doesn't mean you go crazy and become one of those chaotic countries. Many countries which do not have the wealth like America do keep throwing out the establishment and end up in more chaos instead of surgically improving things.

Hillary's biggest negative is she is more cerebral and nerdish but unable to speak through her heart to impress large groups of people. Trump, Obama, Bill all can speak and connect with their base in whatever they believe(truth or crap). Hillary doesn't do that and that's why she doesn't seem to have a passionate base.

[GetBuLLish]

Hillary's biggest negative is she is more cerebral and nerdish but unable to speak through her heart to impress large groups of people.

This reminds me of the people who thought Marquis Teague's biggest flaw was his lack of confidence.

[Hangtime84]

Bernie Sanders was the candidate that would have changed the status quo and help the shrinking middle class, NOT Donald Trump.

There is nothing about him that shows he cares about anyone but his own self interest.

Just because Trump isn't a politician doesn't mean a damn thing. He's still corrupt, has many scandals, would actually be the one to break the US constitution, and would have been a disaster for foreign affairs even more so as well as promoting hate and violence. Dude has the temperament of a dictator.

Bernie Sanders has three homes including a $700,000 beach front property. He has become rich like most Democrat politicians. Selling false hope to the struggling while lining their own pockets. You don't understand life.

It's silly to caterogize having money as negative thing.

[I_Never Lied]

Bernie Sanders was the candidate that would have changed the status quo and help the shrinking middle class, NOT Donald Trump.

There is nothing about him that shows he cares about anyone but his own self interest.

Just because Trump isn't a politician doesn't mean a damn thing. He's still corrupt, has many scandals, would actually be the one to break the US constitution, and would have been a disaster for foreign affairs even more so as well as promoting hate and violence. Dude has the temperament of a dictator.

Bernie Sanders has three homes including a $700,000 beach front property. He has become rich like most Democrat politicians. Selling false hope to the struggling while lining their own pockets. You don't understand life.

It's silly to caterogize having money as negative thing.

*Edit*Bernie Sanders is a self avowed Socialist. Individual wealth is the antithesis of Socialism. *Edit*

Please stop with the hostile tone responses. If you can't have a conversation without getting personal, don't post. Thank you. -RB83

[AKfanatic]

Clinton/Obama's views on terrorism/national security are absolutely crazy. Obama/Clinton are in fact responsible for the creation of ISIS. Obama and Clinton are both responsible for some of the most lopsided and damaging trade deals the US has ever made, and as well responsible for unaffordable health care deals and pitiful unemployment stats.

Wow. You're gonna have to show me the Wiki entry on the Obama/Clinton conspiracy theory. Are you familiar with the 1930-2006 history of the Middle East region? To blame any current problem in that region on Obama makes no sense. Bush/Cheney brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq via false claims and 9/11 retaliations, and these "wars" opened the pandora's box for the destablization of whatever places America had their feet in.

Radical muslim/terrorist movements have been rising since the 50s, and Jihad proclamations have been the same since George HW Bush was in office. Are they more organized and more influential now? Yes. I'd factor internet networking.

Check out this documentary :

Watch on YouTube

Hilary voted for the war and Obama left not forces in Iraq when he should have. At the very least we could have plundered the Iraqi oil before we withdrew our forces.

Obama is a closet Muslim.

You do realize "plundering the oil" is a war crime, right?

You do realize that in order to "plunder the oil" we would need to leave massive troops(air support, naval support as well as ground troops) to guard oil fields and transport of said oil out of Iraq, right?

You do realize the status of forces agreement had expired, right? Do you believe the Iraqi government would be happy to let us stay to "plunder the oil"? Do you believe the international community, including rival nations would happily watch us "plunder the oil"?

Do you understand how the international world, foreign relations, sanctions work?



The closet Muslim comment says more about you than Obama...good luck with that.

[TimRobbins]

China and Russia have been behind a number of hacks against government infrastructure including the state department over the years. That's part of the reason Clinton like Colin Powell before had a private email server. Plus I think you're overlooking the annexing of Crimea.

Russian and China hack our systems for intelligence. We do the same to them. So what?
As for annexing Crimea? Crimea is Russian. They have a port there and it would be naive to think they would give it up. In any case, why is it our business? It's a local conflict between the Ukraine and Russia. We're not the world court or the world police. This is something Ukraine and Russia should resolve. None of our business.

[TimRobbins]

I don't think that is the case. Democrats now are what Republicans USED to strive for, centrist. Our country is based on 2 basic principles, capitalism and democracy. When both are strong we are strong.

Hillary has ALWAYS championed the little guy (and gal, of course. Regardless of their color). I think she believes that government can make a difference. Looks like we'll find out, he?

This country was built of free market capitalism, not crony capitalism which extracts rents via legislation. Very different. When you have free markets, the wealth spreads around and everybody gets to enjoy it. When you have congress legislating laws that favor a few corporations, you get a handful of people who control 99% of the wealth.

It's kind of sad that there are people who still think Hillary cares about anything other than her power-hungry self. Even sadder that people believe she will do anything to help the "little guy". I can understand (though I don't agree) somebody who says Hillary is the lesser of two evils. That's a legitimate debate. I can't understand anybody who thinks Hillary is "good" or well intentioned in any way, shape or form. I suggest you read some of the tens of thousands of wikileaks emails. It doesn't get more corrupt than the Clintons.

[League Circles]

When people claim things like Obama is a closet muslim, the funniest part about it is not even that they believe it honestly without evidence, but that they believe that if others knew that alleged truth also, that those others would and or should be outraged at it. SMH

[the ultimates]

China and Russia have been behind a number of hacks against government infrastructure including the state department over the years. That's part of the reason Clinton like Colin Powell before had a private email server. Plus I think you're overlooking the annexing of Crimea.

Russian and China hack our systems for intelligence. We do the same to them. So what?
As for annexing Crimea? Crimea is Russian. They have a port there and it would be naive to think they would give it up. In any case, why is it our business? It's a local conflict between the Ukraine and Russia. We're not the world court or the world police. This is something Ukraine and Russia should resolve. None of our business.

Yeah who cares if they get their hands on top secret documents, defense plans, military strategy or troop placement in case of a conflict who cares about safeguarding that. Crimea is a part of the Ukraine. It matters because Ukraine has seriously considered becoming a NATO member. Although not an official member it has a partnership with NATO. That's why the U.S. is involved. Would you just let them take the rest of Ukraine and them turn its eye towards an actual NATO member in Latvia?