The Official Lin Net Thread

[NyCeEvO]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

GoodDayLA,

Given the fact that superstars who are given the green light for an entire season don't put up 30ppg/10ast, you should realize that most people are going to vehemently disagree with you about your expectations.

In order for LIn to even be considered for the hall of fame, he'd really need to pick it up statistically over the course of several seasons in order to be recognized.

He'd have to average at least 17ppg & 7ast on a good team in order to be recognized considering that the likes of Corey Maggette had seasons of 20ppg/6rpg/3ast with a PER hovering over and around 20. Despite that, no one is mentioning Corey Maggette's name.

With that said, when you start throwing out historical numbers, you are subconsciously (or maybe consciously) baiting people into comparing Lin with all-time great players. Baiting people into discussions about Lin's productivity/impact in comparison with other players is what got the previous Lin thread closed.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to ask that you keep discussion of such projections to a minimum, otherwise it will be considered baiting.

-NyCe

[spaceballer]

JLin will be at the launching of the TAG Heuer boutique Wednesday Oct. 19th from 6pm to 7pm at the Bloomingdales on Lexington Ave and 59th St. for "An Evening with Jeremy Lin."

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The luxury Swiss designer watchmaker TAG Heuer is one of the few companies that he's signed with, since he's chosen to kept the number small to not detract too much from his training time, choosing quality over quantity. Other athletes with TAG Heuer are Tom Brady, Cristiano Ronaldo, Maria Sharapova. Jeremy Lin is the only NBA player chosen by TAG Heuer.

There's a Jeremy Lin edition of their Aquaracer watch line, and a separate Jeremy Lin watch face for their TAG Heuer Connected smartwatch line.

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Also, world-renown concert pianist Lang Lang is supporting the Nets and going as far as to actually attend pre-season games because of JLin.

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[Jimmyftw]

I will be happy if Lin gets 17-18/6 with efficient scoring in the motion offense couch wants to implement. I don't think Lin will average 36 minutes a game. Most good team have 9 men that they work in rotation, with this team I think that number will be 11.

[NyCeEvO]

Ok...let's go over some of the rules yet again.

1) If someone is trolling, baiting, violating TOS, report their posts. Do not antagonize each other. That goes for people who consider themselves Lin fans as well as Nets fans. This was clearly stated in the OP.

2) Let's keep talk of Lin breaking out and producing superstar numbers or even comparisons to active and retired stars. This always brings unnecessary division and contention to the board.

If you believe Lin will be a superstar, that's fine. But do not project this or debate people on the merits of his ability to achieve such lofty goals. Let's get a critical mass of (say 15-20) regular season games under his belt before we can make hypotheses about future production.

- RealGM Nets board moderators

[JohnStockton]

Yo, Bloomingdales needs to update that photo of JLin. They using a 4 year old picture? lol

[bomber50]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

GoodDayLA,

Given the fact that superstars who are given the green light for an entire season don't put up 30ppg/10ast, you should realize that most people are going to vehemently disagree with you about your expectations.

In order for LIn to even be considered for the hall of fame, he'd really need to pick it up statistically over the course of several seasons in order to be recognized.

He'd have to average at least 17ppg & 7ast on a good team in order to be recognized considering that the likes of Corey Maggette had seasons of 20ppg/6rpg/3ast with a PER hovering over and around 20. Despite that, no one is mentioning Corey Maggette's name.

With that said, when you start throwing out historical numbers, you are subconsciously (or maybe consciously) baiting people into comparing Lin with all-time great players. Baiting people into discussions about Lin's productivity/impact in comparison with other players is what got the previous Lin thread closed.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to ask that you keep discussion of such projections to a minimum, otherwise it will be considered baiting.

-NyCe

You are a good mod.

[NyCeEvO]

The only way for Lin to reach 20ppg would be for him to really improve his scoring ability.

- Including his Linsanity period, we have zero evidence that he can handle that much of a scoring load over an 82-game season

The 11 guys in your example of scoring average were STARTING POINT GUARDs who have the reigns to their offense. Lin hasn't been a starter in 3 1/2 seasons and arguably was used in non-optimal roles the entire time as defensive specialist, combo-guard and decoy.

Compare those guys to Lin's scoring stats after this full season as the Nets starting PG and then you'll have something. To claim that Lin has never approached the scoring of elite STARTING PGs is an obviously unfair comparison.

Yes, I understand that.

But what I am responding to is the PROJECTION that Lin will score 20ppg. I'm basing that off of stats accumulated thus far in his career including the season for which he was a starter.

With that said, Lin has gotten better since those early years and the overall context in which he will be accumulating his stats is quite different than any other situation he's had before.

While Lin will have more opportunities to score, he'll also be anywhere from the best to the 3rd best Net on the floor who will play 30-32mpg. He garner the most or 2nd most attention from the opposition and teams will gameplan for him moreso than ever before. It's impossible to foresee which side will ultimately win out given the number of new variables that impacting Lin's on-court performance this year.

It will be impossible to accurately assess what will happen until the regular season actually begins. All that we have to base our opinions on are stats from previous seasons and (what each of us believe are) logical arguments about how Lin's intangibles and the contextual variables of the game will impact positively or negatively on his on-court production.

I'm just looking forward to seeing him go out there and just ball.

[DartboardT]

I just want to see the team put in some more of what got them pretty darn close to a win vs. Celtics, even though

- Atkinson's experimenting with line-ups and core offense installation in double-time with a super-short 6-game preseason
- The Brook-Lin part of Brooklyn has yet to play like 30 minutes together or something
- Brook-Lin PNR = MIA (for the time being, not getting too worried...yet)
- The second unit was given the chance to finish out and...well...didn't
- Lin was, to me, set to "assist seeker" (and it worked out just fine)
- the Nets are still "suffering" cohesion issues (Hornets had it much better, more talent PLUS Walker/Jefferson/Zeller/Williams/etc. being versed in incumbent coach Steve Clifford's system)

One step at a time, but I'd have to think most everyone here is very pleased with how Lin's doing so far. He can look for assists, he can shoot from distance, oh yes, he can drive the lane as well as ever, and with more fluidity and smooth trickeration than with the Knicks. Start at 15-17/5-7 in terms of basic production expectations for JLin and go from there, I say.

[TinmanZBoy]

I just want to see the team put in some more of what got them pretty darn close to a win vs. Celtics, even though

- Atkinson's experimenting with line-ups and core offense installation in double-time with a super-short 6-game preseason
- The Brook-Lin part of Brooklyn has yet to play like 30 minutes together or something
- Brook-Lin PNR = MIA (for the time being, not getting too worried...yet)
- The second unit was given the chance to finish out and...well...didn't
- Lin was, to me, set to "assist seeker" (and it worked out just fine)
- the Nets are still "suffering" cohesion issues (Hornets had it much better, more talent PLUS Walker/Jefferson/Zeller/Williams/etc. being versed in incumbent coach Steve Clifford's system)

One step at a time, but I'd have to think most everyone here is very pleased with how Lin's doing so far. He can look for assists, he can shoot from distance, oh yes, he can drive the lane as well as ever, and with more fluidity and smooth trickeration than with the Knicks. Start at 15-17/5-7 in terms of basic production expectations for JLin and go from there, I say.

that's a reasonable range... again, it is still early, pre-season and regular season are totally different animals... I expect the opposing defense will be loaded on Lin... just have to wait and see how this team is going to play and how Lin runs the offense

[DartboardT]

Some things I don't think you have to worry much about with JLin:

- defenses indexing in on him

They did that A LOT when he was with Hornets (sign of respect, yo), and the Hornets, while they generally WORKED with Lin (just getting picks set = huge step up from Lakers Hell), hardly CATERED the offense TO him. Also, you should see that clip of Devin Harris Psycho Defense, as if there was some bet Harris had to forfeit his entire year's salary if Lin scored on him. I need to re-find that Vine or whatever. Honestly, I don't think the motivation was quite so "innocent", but I won't say more than that.

- having particularly bad games

JLin fans DO worry about this (and I'm one, no question). He had very few truly bad games with the Hornets, and I can't remember any point last season where "he lost the game". I DO remember a few ill-advised Kemba/Batum iso sets to try and win games, but when they involved Lin in key plays (or just needed him to make 'em), he generally produced.

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He was hurt sometimes. His shot was awful for two months. But believe Clifford, not me - he said Lin found a way to play well even when he wasn't shooting well.

[TinmanZBoy]

Some things I don't think you have to worry much about with JLin:

- defenses indexing in on him

They did that A LOT when he was with Hornets (sign of respect, yo), and the Hornets, while they generally WORKED with Lin (just getting picks set = huge step up from Lakers Hell), hardly CATERED the offense TO him. Also, you should see that clip of Devin Harris Psycho Defense, as if there was some bet Harris had to forfeit his entire year's salary if Lin scored on him. I need to re-find that Vine or whatever. Honestly, I don't think the motivation was quite so "innocent", but I won't say more than that.

- having particularly bad games

JLin fans DO worry about this (and I'm one, no question). He had very few truly bad games with the Hornets, and I can't remember any point last season where "he lost the game". I DO remember ill-advised Kemba/Batum iso sets, but when they involved Lin in key plays, he generally produced.

He was hurt sometimes. His shot was awful for two months. But believe Clifford, not me - he said Lin found a way to play well even when he wasn't shooting well.

1, Harris harassing on Lin was not psycho defense, that's smart defense... because he knows Lin's weakness..., not only him checking on Lin from the backcourt when Lin brings the ball up, actually a few teams are doing this to Lin too... look no further than the first two games of last season against the Hawks, the Hawks did the same thing... after a stellar pre-season, Jeremy was instantly brought back to earth... Lin's dribbling does not have much shiftiness, but he is a good dribbler when he already established some speed... people know that, they press him early... that's not respect, that's disrespect...
2, However, that's not called "defense being loaded on him"... when the defense is loaded on him, that means they are double-teaming him, denying him the ball, bodying him up, icing his PnRs, making him uncomfortable on the court etc.. Lin has counters, in general, he is good at passing off double teams, he knows attacking from different angles, he sees lanes very well... but when a defense is targeting to stop you, it definitely will affect your efficiency, it is true to any player, even for super stars... this is when your teammates can help you, if you have good players surrounding you, the opposite can hardly double teaming you or targeting you any way...
3, Lin is a jack of all trades type of player, he will contribute a little bit of everything, his effort is always there...personally, I don't worry about Lin at all, I certainly hope he can revive Linsanity... however, i am fine if he failed at the end...

[antique0o0]

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for the record, coach McHale said "we have two starting worthy PGs" when talking about the starting job between Lin and Beverley... He also said "Lin is a main guy of us, won us a lot games""Jeremy is still going to play around 30 minutes/game, close some games"...
where did you see coach McHale calling out Lin a scrub?

By the way, coach McHale is a HOF player, one of the best PFs in the history of the game, played as a sixth man for a big chunk of his career...If a HOF like coach McHale and a player in Manu's caliber can come off bench and contribute, why can't Lin, why do some Lin fans and Lin take it as a slight and humiliation?

Basically, being a good player has nothing to do with being a good coach.
Especially when McHale was a player, he played PF, he has no idea how to coach guard.

[TinmanZBoy]

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for the record, coach McHale said "we have two starting worthy PGs" when talking about the starting job between Lin and Beverley... He also said "Lin is a main guy of us, won us a lot games""Jeremy is still going to play around 30 minutes/game, close some games"...
where did you see coach McHale calling out Lin a scrub?

By the way, coach McHale is a HOF player, one of the best PFs in the history of the game, played as a sixth man for a big chunk of his career...If a HOF like coach McHale and a player in Manu's caliber can come off bench and contribute, why can't Lin, why do some Lin fans and Lin take it as a slight and humiliation?

Basically, being a good player has nothing to do with being a good coach.
Especially when McHale was a player, he played PF, he has no idea how to coach guard.

You probably have to read my post in context...
First I was calling out GooddayLA's post saying "McHale and Byron called Lin a scrub", i did not respond his post directly because I think he is trolling in this board.... so I pointed out McHale never said that, instead he praised Lin plenty...
Second,I did not say or imply anything like "McHale is HOF, he must be a good coach"... I was saying even players like McHale and Manu's calibers could come off bench as the sixth man for the balance of a team, why could not Lin for the Rockets?

[bballfan1234]

Why do you think Lin will progress into becoming an MVP candidate over the likes of Steph Curry, LeBron, KD, CP3, or Russell Westbrook? Those players are phenoms and superstars.

Even if you believe that D'Antoni was the main reason why Nash was able to produce such gaudy numbers, we don't have a D'Antoni here.

I simply believe Lin is that good when properly utilized to his strengths. I did not know if Lin was for real of not till I watched from Houston through today. After the first season in Houston, I realized he was for real and saw Mchale substitute Lin out on a consistent basis anytime that Lin started to play well. It was sadly very obvious and if I was Lin's parent, I would have wanted to strangle Mchale. Now, Lin is not a perfect player and you have to play away from some weaknesses on both ends, but all guards have some weaknesses, not just Lin.

You had to watch him very closely from Houston through today and watch all the games and see through the agendas from coaches and teammates and see the production and process all that objectively.

The crazy talk I've posted the last few days can only be proven right or wrong when the season ends or when the Nets are numerically eliminated from the playoffs.

The HOF thing is probably a reach. It's possible though. However, a handful of all star games should be coming over the next 5 years and not just because Asia will be voting him in.

Also, the MVP is not based on being the best talent. Kobe and others were in the league when Nash won MVP. It's about who the media wants to vote in as MVP. Usually that MVP has to have a feel good story about it. Lin's play is going to be stellar and I believe the team will be very good in 2-3 years so there may be some MVP talk in my opinion. He needs better players around him first, but non ball dominant better players like Klay Thompson or Draymond Green or Demarr Caroll and quick mobile bigs. Lin dies when paired with traditional NBA stars who dominate the rock because Lin wants to dominate the rock. Some say well why can Lebron and Wade share the ball? I'm sure Lin could easily play with Curry because they get along. Lin's just got stuck with stiffs like Melo Harden and Kobe. Give him the right stars who he can click with on a personal level, Lin can get along as well.

if you think lin is an mvp candidate/HoF long shot then you are either:

a) a moron
b) a troll
c) both

in any instance you need to GTFO this board. your giving lin fans a bad name, as most have done a good job lately

It is both!!

[ChokeFasncists]

Lin always plays really well statistically against the Celitcs IN BOSTON as the road team and he seems to go into extra turbo gear against them (though it could just be that Boston isn't as fast and quick as people think - they have slow bigs and small starting guards). Its been that way for years. Maybe because he has friends in the stands, or maybe he hates the Boston front office for lying to him in the past about being interested in him.

Hey, he spent four years there, this is like his 2nd home.

I personally don't get why the NBA is hyped up on the Boston Celtics, just because of Horford? The Celtics lack enough athletic bigs in the front line and they start a midget backcourt. Nobody who is a contender should be scared of them. I thought the Heat looked more formidable than the freaking Celtics though yeah Brook didn't play.

People are sleeping on the Heat, who look like a scary Playoff team I dont want the Nets to play in the playoffs at least in the first round.

People think the Celts are good mainly cuz of Brad Stevens. 2nd reason is Bradley, he's like a mini-Kawai, can play both ways. Olynyk didn't play in the preseason.

The Heat are either gonna be real good or real bad, it all depends on Whiteside. Their D should be pretty good.

[ChokeFasncists]

Maybe I have drunk the Kool-aid, but I don't see Lin leaving in 2 years. I have never seen him more comfortable and confident.

And it's not random. I can't think of a coach Lin would be as comfortable with as Atkinson or a GM whose approach Lin would support as much as Sean Marks.

Nets were one surprising Dwayne Wade decision away from getting Tyler Johnson and we all can see what a big difference that would have made.

Next summer looks to be a much more promising offseason to nab FAs because the salary cap won't be going up by as much.

it just takes a couple of FAs deciding to come to Brklyn

I don't see him leaving either, unless something really unfortunate happens.

He doesn't like moving and has been forced to move so many times already.

[ChokeFasncists]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.

Np, just a response with "not sure" as the central idea.

[GoodDayLa]

Why do you think Lin will progress into becoming an MVP candidate over the likes of Steph Curry, LeBron, KD, CP3, or Russell Westbrook? Those players are phenoms and superstars.

Even if you believe that D'Antoni was the main reason why Nash was able to produce such gaudy numbers, we don't have a D'Antoni here.

I simply believe Lin is that good when properly utilized to his strengths. I did not know if Lin was for real of not till I watched from Houston through today. After the first season in Houston, I realized he was for real and saw Mchale substitute Lin out on a consistent basis anytime that Lin started to play well. It was sadly very obvious and if I was Lin's parent, I would have wanted to strangle Mchale. Now, Lin is not a perfect player and you have to play away from some weaknesses on both ends, but all guards have some weaknesses, not just Lin.

You had to watch him very closely from Houston through today and watch all the games and see through the agendas from coaches and teammates and see the production and process all that objectively.

The crazy talk I've posted the last few days can only be proven right or wrong when the season ends or when the Nets are numerically eliminated from the playoffs.

The HOF thing is probably a reach. It's possible though. However, a handful of all star games should be coming over the next 5 years and not just because Asia will be voting him in.

Also, the MVP is not based on being the best talent. Kobe and others were in the league when Nash won MVP. It's about who the media wants to vote in as MVP. Usually that MVP has to have a feel good story about it. Lin's play is going to be stellar and I believe the team will be very good in 2-3 years so there may be some MVP talk in my opinion. He needs better players around him first, but non ball dominant better players like Klay Thompson or Draymond Green or Demarr Caroll and quick mobile bigs. Lin dies when paired with traditional NBA stars who dominate the rock because Lin wants to dominate the rock. Some say well why can Lebron and Wade share the ball? I'm sure Lin could easily play with Curry because they get along. Lin's just got stuck with stiffs like Melo Harden and Kobe. Give him the right stars who he can click with on a personal level, Lin can get along as well.

How's this team going to be very good within the next 2-3 years when they don't have any draft picks? Lin is here merely to help change the culture of the team and to raise his own stock value because it's the only place that would let him play his type of game. When his contract is done here, he will likely try to latch onto a contender during the peak of his career and the Nets will be in a position to truly rebuild.

Btw, practically everything that you've been posting have been reaches....very far ones. Lin's going to end up like Steve Nash? First of all Nash is a better player, better shooter, less TO prone etc. and he had a much better supporting cast, there are no parallels between the two. Lin might become an all-star if he plays to his potential but no way will contend for MVP, especially on a team that will NOT make the playoffs.

Let's just take it 1 step at a time. I believe the Nets will make the playoffs this season. If they do, I think Nets fans should give Lin a lot of credit even if his stats don't pop out at you. It will take a team effort no doubt, but I hope people don't undersell what Lin does even if it's mostly hockey assists if and when this team sneaks into the playoffs.

I strongly disagree Lin is looking for a short term experience with the Nets. I think he will try his best to carve out a career here and be remembered for being a Net more than anything.

If you've followed Lin closely, I dont think you would think he's trying to raise his own stock. Partially, that's a true statement but not in the way I think you mean. I think Lin is so confident/cocky in himself that he will try to show he can dominate at the NBA level this season and lift a team on his back along with Brook to the playoffs no matter how much little talent surrounds him now that he has a coach and a situation that is what he wants.

In my opinion, the only way Lin is leaving after 3 years is if the Nets dont want him. Otherwise he will remain a Net till the Net's discard him or not allow him to be starting PG anymore.

The HOF thing, let's leave that one alone as the OP has requested.

The only thing I'd like to establish is that I really believe the Nets will make the playoffs this season. If I'm right, hopefully I earn some goodwill in the future.

If I'm wrong, shows what I know. It also means I badly overvalued Jlin's ability and that he's not that good and everything I've posted through today is a bunch of unknowledgeable hogwash.

[JohnStockton]

I'd advise that the Brook-Lin PnR is probably gonna be quite lackluster for those expecting something really dynamic...

Brook was ranked 95th in efficiency as the rolling big last year, so he's never been an efficient PnR player, and adding Lin hasn't/won't change his efficiency that dramatically. The best that can be hoped for is that Brook gets mediocre at finishing as the roller (now that he has a competent PG), and gets ranked 50th or something like that.

Also worth to note that when two players have good synergy on the PnR, it's usually very evident pretty soon. I mean, it's one of the simplest plays in basketball... If the two of them haven't clicked by now in a big way in the PnR, it's a very safe bet that Brook is just limited in that area and it won't be a great weapon.

That said, what I'm realistically more interested in, is seeing how the offense incorporates more Brook isolations. The offense is built to be in constant motion, but this team needs Brook to average 20+ and he ain't gonna do it off a bunch of high PnRs + jumpshots. I want to see how they incorporate Brook's actual offensive game without sacrificing too much of the motion offense.

[GoodDayLa]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

GoodDayLA,

Given the fact that superstars who are given the green light for an entire season don't put up 30ppg/10ast, you should realize that most people are going to vehemently disagree with you about your expectations.

In order for LIn to even be considered for the hall of fame, he'd really need to pick it up statistically over the course of several seasons in order to be recognized.

He'd have to average at least 17ppg & 7ast on a good team in order to be recognized considering that the likes of Corey Maggette had seasons of 20ppg/6rpg/3ast with a PER hovering over and around 20. Despite that, no one is mentioning Corey Maggette's name.

With that said, when you start throwing out historical numbers, you are subconsciously (or maybe consciously) baiting people into comparing Lin with all-time great players. Baiting people into discussions about Lin's productivity/impact in comparison with other players is what got the previous Lin thread closed.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to ask that you keep discussion of such projections to a minimum, otherwise it will be considered baiting.

-NyCe

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.