The Official Lin Net Thread

[rayfantastic]

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I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.

I think Lin is going to have a great 5-6 seasons coming up with 3-4 all star appearances in that time if not more. Not sure he makes it this year because his goal is on making the playoffs, not individual stats. I think his stats may have to suffer to help the greater good this season. It's just a guess though. When I say suffer, I mean he'll get at least 15 and 7 and 3. He could get 30PPG and 10AST as a ball hogging PG with low efficiency but that's not him.

Lin's also clearly capable of scoring 50 points in an NBA game based on high efficiency on nights he goes 8-12 or 10-16 on 3's. I suspect we'll see a handful of these 3 point nights this season. He showed those nights in Houston but Morey and Mchale kept a tight lid on it.

I even think Lin could set the league record for most 3s made in a game before he retires. He's been shooting at a high clip since 2012. All he did the last 2 seasons was make it even better and less reliant on being in a good rhythm. Lin's shooting weakness involves him missing his first 2-4 shots and being on a tight coaching leash and totally losing confidence and acting as if he never shot the ball before. I think his training is really to mainly combat that from reoccurring. Basically it's mental.

Lin's game is boring and vanilla compared to the dunkers and dribblers of the NBA. The fans who dislike Lin call it the "IVY LEAGUE WAY TO PLAY" meaning its boring and a motion based offense or using a basic PNR with proper spacing. Well it's true but it's the way the Nets will play and they'll win games doing it. And when that dont work, Brook will post up and get the ball on the block.

The rest of the league can call it boring while the Nets win.

GoodDayLA,

Given the fact that superstars who are given the green light for an entire season don't put up 30ppg/10ast, you should realize that most people are going to vehemently disagree with you about your expectations.

In order for LIn to even be considered for the hall of fame, he'd really need to pick it up statistically over the course of several seasons in order to be recognized.

He'd have to average at least 17ppg & 7ast on a good team in order to be recognized considering that the likes of Corey Maggette had seasons of 20ppg/6rpg/3ast with a PER hovering over and around 20. Despite that, no one is mentioning Corey Maggette's name.

With that said, when you start throwing out historical numbers, you are subconsciously (or maybe consciously) baiting people into comparing Lin with all-time great players. Baiting people into discussions about Lin's productivity/impact in comparison with other players is what got the previous Lin thread closed.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to ask that you keep discussion of such projections to a minimum, otherwise it will be considered baiting.

-NyCe

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

[antique0o0]

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for the record, coach McHale said "we have two starting worthy PGs" when talking about the starting job between Lin and Beverley... He also said "Lin is a main guy of us, won us a lot games""Jeremy is still going to play around 30 minutes/game, close some games"...
where did you see coach McHale calling out Lin a scrub?

By the way, coach McHale is a HOF player, one of the best PFs in the history of the game, played as a sixth man for a big chunk of his career...If a HOF like coach McHale and a player in Manu's caliber can come off bench and contribute, why can't Lin, why do some Lin fans and Lin take it as a slight and humiliation?

Basically, being a good player has nothing to do with being a good coach.
Especially when McHale was a player, he played PF, he has no idea how to coach guard.

You probably have to read my post in context...
First I was calling out GooddayLA's post saying "McHale and Byron called Lin a scrub", i did not respond his post directly because I think he is trolling in this board.... so I pointed out McHale never said that, instead he praised Lin plenty...
Second,I did not say or imply anything like "McHale is HOF, he must be a good coach"... I was saying even players like McHale and Manu's calibers could come off bench as the sixth man for the balance of a team, why could not Lin for the Rockets?

McHale, a HOF, and Ginobili, a future HOF, both came off the bench and did great things, does not mean making Lin coming off the bench, behind Beverley and Price, is the right decision.
If your logic stands, one could say that Cavs should let Irving come off the bench. You know, they do need some one to lead the second unit this season, which is certainly not going to happen.

The decision of Lin coming off the bench was never only for balancing any teams. Actually hardly for balancing the team. It's bad coaching and tanking.

What McHale and Scott thought about Lin? They said it out loudly and clearly with their action.
Even Clifford accidently said it in words in an interview...
Actually, not many coaches and GMs in this league think Lin could start. They view him as a sixth man at best, which is a kind of scrub.

[GoodDayLa]

Choke, please minimize the player comparisons.

Part of the reason why the last Lin thread was closed was because of the constant back and forth about Lin's impact vs. Harden and other players.

We're not going to have a repeat in this thread. Y'all can talk about Lin vs Harden when the Nets actually play them. Until then, let's not discuss it.

By the standard metrics we have, Lin vs. Harden isn't close. One needs advanced metrics and we need to assume that several large unverified assumptions in order for it to be a legitimate debate worth discussing.


GoodDayLA,

Given the fact that superstars who are given the green light for an entire season don't put up 30ppg/10ast, you should realize that most people are going to vehemently disagree with you about your expectations.

In order for LIn to even be considered for the hall of fame, he'd really need to pick it up statistically over the course of several seasons in order to be recognized.

He'd have to average at least 17ppg & 7ast on a good team in order to be recognized considering that the likes of Corey Maggette had seasons of 20ppg/6rpg/3ast with a PER hovering over and around 20. Despite that, no one is mentioning Corey Maggette's name.

With that said, when you start throwing out historical numbers, you are subconsciously (or maybe consciously) baiting people into comparing Lin with all-time great players. Baiting people into discussions about Lin's productivity/impact in comparison with other players is what got the previous Lin thread closed.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to ask that you keep discussion of such projections to a minimum, otherwise it will be considered baiting.

-NyCe

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

[ChokeFasncists]

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How about almost making the playoffs?

Do keep in mind that the East is stronger now.

[13th Man]

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

This is total nonsense and it's a shame that we have to listen to your drivel for the rest of the season. Is there an ignore feature on this site?

[bws94]

I'd advise that the Brook-Lin PnR is probably gonna be quite lackluster for those expecting something really dynamic...

Brook was ranked 95th in efficiency as the rolling big last year, so he's never been an efficient PnR player, and adding Lin hasn't/won't change his efficiency that dramatically. The best that can be hoped for is that Brook gets mediocre at finishing as the roller (now that he has a competent PG), and gets ranked 50th or something like that.

Also worth to note that when two players have good synergy on the PnR, it's usually very evident pretty soon. I mean, it's one of the simplest plays in basketball... If the two of them haven't clicked by now in a big way in the PnR, it's a very safe bet that Brook is just limited in that area and it won't be a great weapon.

That said, what I'm realistically more interested in, is seeing how the offense incorporates more Brook isolations. The offense is built to be in constant motion, but this team needs Brook to average 20+ and he ain't gonna do it off a bunch of high PnRs + jumpshots. I want to see how they incorporate Brook's actual offensive game without sacrificing too much of the motion offense.

Agreed, I think Lin and Lopez will develop chemistry, but it isn't instant. Lin showed more chemistry with Hamilton for sure when they played together. Of course, when Lin payed with Ed Davis, it was instant.

[tonman]

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

predictions for the season are fun but utterly non relevant. this team has no identity. it can't play defense. it hasn't shown that it has an offense that is efficient enough for playoff contention. why are we wondering whether one person can get the nets from 20 wins to 40 wins?

when lin was in NY, that team could play defense and they had shooters, not scorers when Melo went out. throw in Lin and it was the perfect storm. in Houston, that team was PURPOSELY built to run and gun from three point. this Nets team is still in its infancy rebuilding process. with no picks and no one besides Brook that is worth anything in a trade, the process is going to be a long one. bringing in one of crabbe or Johnson would have helped with that defensive athletic wing but there's a long way to go.

that is why setting up the culture and system is important.

[bws94]

Basically, being a good player has nothing to do with being a good coach.
Especially when McHale was a player, he played PF, he has no idea how to coach guard.

You probably have to read my post in context...
First I was calling out GooddayLA's post saying "McHale and Byron called Lin a scrub", i did not respond his post directly because I think he is trolling in this board.... so I pointed out McHale never said that, instead he praised Lin plenty...
Second,I did not say or imply anything like "McHale is HOF, he must be a good coach"... I was saying even players like McHale and Manu's calibers could come off bench as the sixth man for the balance of a team, why could not Lin for the Rockets?

McHale, a HOF, and Ginobili, a future HOF, both came off the bench and did great things, does not mean making Lin coming off the bench, behind Beverley and Price, is the right decision.
If your logic stands, one could say that Cavs should let Irving come off the bench. You know, they do need some one to lead the second unit this season, which is certainly not going to happen.

The decision of Lin coming off the bench was never only for balancing any teams. Actually hardly for balancing the team. It's bad coaching and tanking.

What McHale and Scott thought about Lin? They said it out loudly and clearly with their action.
Even Clifford accidently said it in words in an interview...
Actually, not many coaches and GMs in this league think Lin could start. They view him as a sixth man at best, which is a kind of scrub.

Totally disagree that a 6th man is a scrub or viewing Lin as such views him as a scrub. The guys playing in garbage time or 3rd stringers playing in blowouts can be considered scrubs. A 6th man sometimes is one of the biggest and best players on the team, getting close to starters minutes.

This whole thing about starting is where I say it is overstated by some. A lot of starters are complementary players to the two or three stars in the starting lineup. And sometimes a better player is used with the second unit to make sure that when the starters are out, the bench can at least not give up a big lead. If the bench is really good, sometimes the starters play more or less even, and the game is won with the benches. So a strong bench is a part of most really good teams. A guy like a Crawford, Igoudala, Kantor, Lin when he was a 6th men are not scrubs at all, but huge parts of the team they were on.

[bws94]

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

Well, that's your opinion but I don't agree at all. Lin will do the best he can in the system and try to help, and that is important, help get the team a much better record that last year. Making the playoffs is too high an expectation and a team not making the playoffs, does so as a team. Lin and Lopez lead, and Lopez is very much a part of this team's success, as much if not more than Lin, but judging them on a team with the talent level this team has in getting to the playoffs is the only success of their efforts, is grossly unfair in my opinion. Most long-time Nets fans are looking for a competitive team and hoping for about 30 wins or so, not looking to make the playoffs. If somehow the Nets do, then hooray. But it isn't expected.

[Vae Victus]

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

This is total nonsense and it's a shame that we have to listen to your drivel for the rest of the season. Is there an ignore feature on this site?

Keep on trolling, you're not fooling anyone with your BS, if you were legit Lin fan you'd have made your account on RealGM awhile ago and just post sporadically here and there commenting on Lin's progress (just like myself, although i was a LAL/LAC fan 1st), or just stayed in the Lin fan safe zones, its pretty goddamn clear you made this new account to stealth troll. Yea sure, Lin is a backup PG if he cant singlehandedly take the Nets to the playoffs, that's a helluva bar to set for a player who's never been given that much responsibility for.

I dont understand how some people can hate on a player so much theyd go to such lengths.

[reelsgm]

This whole thing about starting is where I say it is overstated by some.

Let's make this perfectly clear again. An NBA player who does NOT wish to start:
1. Doesn' believe he's good enough (whatever reason: unconfident, unmotivated...)
2. Is on a perennial Championship contender (e.g. Iguodala, Ginobili)
3. Just biding his time for the promotion (e.g. Harden-OKC, Lin-CHA)
4. Some or all of the above

Lin said he "absolutely" wanted to stay in CHA, had unfinished business in CHA, was willing to take a pay cut to stay (google it if you don't believe) - but the instant the starting role became available at midnight on FA day he took it - Don't tell Lin "this whole thing about starting is overstated by some" - Lin made his feelings about starting crystal clear.

[NyCeEvO]

I simply believe Lin is that good when properly utilized to his strengths. I did not know if Lin was for real of not till I watched from Houston through today. After the first season in Houston, I realized he was for real and saw Mchale substitute Lin out on a consistent basis anytime that Lin started to play well. It was sadly very obvious and if I was Lin's parent, I would have wanted to strangle Mchale. Now, Lin is not a perfect player and you have to play away from some weaknesses on both ends, but all guards have some weaknesses, not just Lin.

You had to watch him very closely from Houston through today and watch all the games and see through the agendas from coaches and teammates and see the production and process all that objectively.

The crazy talk I've posted the last few days can only be proven right or wrong when the season ends or when the Nets are numerically eliminated from the playoffs.

The HOF thing is probably a reach. It's possible though. However, a handful of all star games should be coming over the next 5 years and not just because Asia will be voting him in.

Also, the MVP is not based on being the best talent. Kobe and others were in the league when Nash won MVP. It's about who the media wants to vote in as MVP. Usually that MVP has to have a feel good story about it. Lin's play is going to be stellar and I believe the team will be very good in 2-3 years so there may be some MVP talk in my opinion. He needs better players around him first, but non ball dominant better players like Klay Thompson or Draymond Green or Demarr Caroll and quick mobile bigs. Lin dies when paired with traditional NBA stars who dominate the rock because Lin wants to dominate the rock. Some say well why can Lebron and Wade share the ball? I'm sure Lin could easily play with Curry because they get along. Lin's just got stuck with stiffs like Melo Harden and Kobe. Give him the right stars who he can click with on a personal level, Lin can get along as well.

How's this team going to be very good within the next 2-3 years when they don't have any draft picks? Lin is here merely to help change the culture of the team and to raise his own stock value because it's the only place that would let him play his type of game. When his contract is done here, he will likely try to latch onto a contender during the peak of his career and the Nets will be in a position to truly rebuild.

Btw, practically everything that you've been posting have been reaches....very far ones. Lin's going to end up like Steve Nash? First of all Nash is a better player, better shooter, less TO prone etc. and he had a much better supporting cast, there are no parallels between the two. Lin might become an all-star if he plays to his potential but no way will contend for MVP, especially on a team that will NOT make the playoffs.

Let's just take it 1 step at a time. I believe the Nets will make the playoffs this season. If they do, I think Nets fans should give Lin a lot of credit even if his stats don't pop out at you. It will take a team effort no doubt, but I hope people don't undersell what Lin does even if it's mostly hockey assists if and when this team sneaks into the playoffs.

If the Nets make the playoffs with the team as constructed, many people will be eating crow including most Nets fans. It seems like just about every poster who was a fan of the team before Lin came has predicted them to miss the playoffs by a significant margin.

(This is why most of them have responded in such a negative fashion to any discourse suggesting that we even have a remote shot at making it.)

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

The HOF thing, let's leave that one alone as the OP has requested.

Thanks. I appreciate your understanding.

You can always save these posts. If in a few years time he ends up looking like a star, you can call out everyone if Lin ends up taking the league by storm again.

The only thing I'd like to establish is that I really believe the Nets will make the playoffs this season. If I'm right, hopefully I earn some goodwill in the future.

If I'm wrong, shows what I know. It also means I badly overvalued Jlin's ability and that he's not that good and everything I've posted through today is a bunch of unknowledgeable hogwash.

If your prediction ended up being true, then you'd have a ton of goodwill in the future since only a small subset of Lin fans are even proposing the idea that the Nets can make the playoffs. We should have a good idea of how good (or bad) they will be after 25-30 games have been played.

[NyCeEvO]

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

Care to explain why there's such a large difference in evaluation of Lin that is solely dependent upon whether the Nets make the playoffs?

If the Nets made the playoffs as currently constructed, it will almost certainly be because a few of the Nets broke out and ended up playing way better than expected. And considering his prominent position on the team, there's a high probability that Lin would be one of those players.

Now, there are some people who believe the Nets will win 15 games, The number who believe they will between 15 and 25 is the largest group, followed by the those who believe they will win anywhere from 25 to 35 games.

In order for the Nets to make the playoffs, they would almost definitely need to win 40 games, which is a ton considering that almost every pundit has them as a bottom 5 team in the league.

If Lin helped carry them to the playoffs, yes he's a great player.

But if the Nets win 25-35 games, he'd the average starting PG that many people think he is.
If the Nets win 15-25 games, then it's probably safe to question whether he can really be the main focal point as a starting PG.

What I don't understand is why Lin has to be considered a scrub if the Nets don't make the playoffs considering that the talent surrounding Lin is probably the worst collection of talent in the league.

So if Lin doesn't lift this bad team to the playoffs, he can't be considered merely average? Why would should we then consider him a scrub if the Nets perform as expected or even just above expectations yet still miss the playoffs?

[NyCeEvO]

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

This is total nonsense and it's a shame that we have to listen to your drivel for the rest of the season. Is there an ignore feature on this site?

Yes. Go to Preferences -> Friends & Foes tab -> type in the user's name as a 'Foe' and save.

You will no longer see posts written by anyone who you have listed as foe. However, if someone quotes that person, you will see what the 'foe' wrote the posted quoted by other users.

[13th Man]

Done thanks.

[sprost]

Thanks OP for the warning. Not trying to stir up trouble.

2 years ago after the Laker season, folks on the internet were mocking my online comments and said I was delusional to think that if Lin was given a chance at Starting PG in a supportive role that he could flourish and help a team win a lot of games.

What was frustrating most is that I never thought Lin would get the chance to prove this belief. Well, even I am personally shocked Lin was able to land starting PG again in the NBA this summer. Not because I think he can't succeed, but that he got the shot to do it. So never say never is all I can say to everyone.

The only thing I really do want to project is just this season, that I think the Nets will make the playoffs. That's it.

Let's keep the expectation low bud. Success is much sweeter when you least expect it.

Makes sense, but that's not the point I've been trying to make. I expect success and I see it coming for this team this season a mile away in the form of a playoff birth.

I'm pretty certain Lin is going to help this team make the playoffs. I've explained the logic in previous posts. If and when they make it, I'm hoping those who didn't see it coming or view it as a long shot look back and wonder what they missed and why others like myself were so certain.

After all this is a Nets based Jeremy Lin thread. Like the Op said, I speak for myself and nobody else.

If the Nets don't make the playoffs, in my opinion, Jeremy Lin is just a decent backup PG who isn't good enough to be starting on a good NBA team as Matt Moore of CBS Sports recently wrote last month. In fact, if the Nets don't make it, and Lin plays almost all the games, I'll be the first to admit I have terrible basketball analytical skills and that I completely missed the boat on Jeremy Lin and that he isn't that good or the PG savior I predicted him to be for this franchise.

So under your logic I guess John Wall who couldn't get his team in the playoffs last year sucks and much of the rest of the NBA experts who see him as a top 5 NBA PG are all wrong, since Lin will be judged as nothing more than a decent backup if he can't get this very weak roster into the playoffs.

[bws94]

This whole thing about starting is where I say it is overstated by some.

Let's make this perfectly clear again. An NBA player who does NOT wish to start:
1. Doesn' believe he's good enough (whatever reason: unconfident, unmotivated...)
2. Is on a perennial Championship contender (e.g. Iguodala, Ginobili)
3. Just biding his time for the promotion (e.g. Harden-OKC, Lin-CHA)
4. Some or all of the above

Lin said he "absolutely" wanted to stay in CHA, had unfinished business in CHA, was willing to take a pay cut to stay (google it if you don't believe) - but the instant the starting role became available at midnight on FA day he took it - Don't tell Lin "this whole thing about starting is overstated by some" - Lin made his feelings about starting crystal clear.

Post everything I wrote please since I backed up that point. I'm not talking to Lin or about him specifically. Just how big a 6th man can be on a team's lineup.

[GoodDayLa]

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How about almost making the playoffs?

Do keep in mind that the East is stronger now.

That's a reasonable suggestion and perhaps the most likely outcome this season. However, I think it's easy to be a Monday morning QB and I personally dont want to be accused of claiming I saw the playoffs coming all the way after the fact. That's why sports are fun.

[Roy Tarpley]

Lin will average about 19/7.
The Nets will not make the playoffs.
Lin will be a top 10-15 starting PG.

Rinse and repeat.

[TinmanZBoy]

Lin will average about 19/7.
The Nets will not make the playoffs.
Lin will be a top 10-15 starting PG.

Rinse and repeat.

Lin will average about 16/6
The Nets will not make the playoffs
Lin will be the No. 1 starting PG in the league, others are irrelevant for me