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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1001 » by reub » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:57 pm

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ClydeRules wrote:A "state actor" has cut off Assange's Wikileaks internet access, at least for now. Now who would benefit most from keeping the truth from us?

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What truths do you want to hear? What has been revealed thus far is just a bit more material than a complete joke. I support public transparency but I can't help but feel nervous about external actors, not acting in our country's best interest, attempting to affect our election. Does that not bother you?


It sounds like you can't handle the truth. I guess you would rather allow the main stream media propaganda machine to pollute your mind with unsubstantiated 30 year old groping stories instead of finding out what these 2 campaigns are really about. Hillary wanted Assange droned and now we know why. She can't handle the truth either.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1002 » by slacker55 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:01 pm

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ClydeRules wrote:A "state actor" has cut off Assange's Wikileaks internet access, at least for now. Now who would benefit most from keeping the truth from us?

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What truths do you want to hear? What has been revealed thus far is just a bit more material than a complete joke. I support public transparency but I can't help but feel nervous about external actors, not acting in our country's best interest, attempting to affect our election. Does that not bother you?



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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1003 » by duetta » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:31 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:My statement is more along the lines of echoing Taibbi, that there are some legitimate grievances his supporter have, outside of the more ignorant ones. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, they've become attracted to a guy who's a charlatan, instead of going with a legitimate candidate. The clown show the republicans put forth didn't help the matter. Also, echo Taibbi in that he's the worst possible result - it would have been great if a legitimate republican populist emerged who engaged this crowd on the real issues, instead of this guy. It's a set back. And I worry he's just setting the stage for more divisiveness.


Well, I agree that they have grievances - but the ones worth paying attention to are same ones that the left has. We need to come up with a credible strategy for addressing the presenting challenges of globalism. But you don't address them by cutting taxes on people who hide their money in the Cayman Islands and ship every last job they can overseas (or eliminate them altogether, via automation), just so they can pay the lowest possible amount for labor.

China, India and Vietnam aren't stealing our jobs; our oligarchic and management class are sending them away as fast as they can, without heed to what it is doing to undermine the long-term economic foundations of our republic. The problem isn't them, the problem is US. Fix yourself and you fix everything. Blame someone else (China, Indians, Muslims, Mexicans, etc.) and you just make the world a more horrible place.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1004 » by Riot Randolph » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:36 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:My statement is more along the lines of echoing Taibbi, that there are some legitimate grievances his supporter have, outside of the more ignorant ones. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, they've become attracted to a guy who's a charlatan, instead of going with a legitimate candidate. The clown show the republicans put forth didn't help the matter. Also, echo Taibbi in that he's the worst possible result - it would have been great if a legitimate republican populist emerged who engaged this crowd on the real issues, instead of this guy. It's a set back. And I worry he's just setting the stage for more divisiveness.


Well, I agree that they have grievances - but the ones worth paying attention to are same ones that the left has. We need to come up with a credible strategy for addressing the presenting challenges of globalism. But you don't address them by cutting taxes on people who hide their money in the Cayman Islands and ship every last job they can overseas (or eliminate them altogether, via automation), just so they can pay the lowest possible amount for labor.

China, India and Vietnam aren't stealing our jobs; our oligarchic and management class are sending them away as fast as they can, without heed to what it is doing to undermine the long-term economic foundations of our republic. The problem isn't them, the problem is US. Fix yourself and you fix everything. Blame someone else (China, Indians, Muslims, Mexicans, etc.) and you just make the world a more horrible place.

Maybe making education affordable is a round about way of addressing it?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1005 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:37 pm

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ClydeRules wrote:A "state actor" has cut off Assange's Wikileaks internet access, at least for now. Now who would benefit most from keeping the truth from us?

Read on Twitter


What truths do you want to hear? What has been revealed thus far is just a bit more material than a complete joke. I support public transparency but I can't help but feel nervous about external actors, not acting in our country's best interest, attempting to affect our election. Does that not bother you?


It sounds like you can't handle the truth. I guess you would rather allow the main stream media propaganda machine to pollute your mind with unsubstantiated 30 year old groping stories instead of finding out what these 2 campaigns are really about. Hillary wanted Assange droned and now we know why. She can't handle the truth either.


Pretty rich for your talking about unsubstantiated stories and then state, as fact, that Hillary wanted Assange droned.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1006 » by HerSports85 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:48 pm

ClydeRules wrote:
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ClydeRules wrote:A "state actor" has cut off Assange's Wikileaks internet access, at least for now. Now who would benefit most from keeping the truth from us?

Read on Twitter


What truths do you want to hear? What has been revealed thus far is just a bit more material than a complete joke. I support public transparency but I can't help but feel nervous about external actors, not acting in our country's best interest, attempting to affect our election. Does that not bother you?


It sounds like you can't handle the truth. I guess you would rather allow the main stream media propaganda machine to pollute your mind with unsubstantiated 30 year old groping stories instead of finding out what these 2 campaigns are really about. Hillary wanted Assange droned and now we know why. She can't handle the truth either.


lol at two campaigns .. wikileaks is all Hillary and clearly have an agenda. Although entertaining to read, I personally do not agree with hacking or Assange past so I have no sympathy.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1007 » by GONYK » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:49 pm

Wikileaks hasn't affected Hillary in the slightest up to this point, so I doubt she really cares.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1008 » by HerSports85 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:51 pm

GONYK wrote:Wikileaks hasn't affected Hillary in the slightest up to this point, so I doubt she really cares.


exactly... unless they have a bombshell waiting, no one but those already against her really care enough to change their vote
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1009 » by GONYK » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:57 pm

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GONYK wrote:Wikileaks hasn't affected Hillary in the slightest up to this point, so I doubt she really cares.


exactly... unless they have a bombshell waiting, no one but those already against her really care enough to change their vote


Correct. Anything Wikileaks has "uncovered" so far is either that Hillary has said one thing to one group and another thing to another group...which is what being a politician is, or it is complete nonsense.

Trump supporters running around screaming that we really should be looking at Hillary giving a speech to Goldman Sachs over Trump allegedly raping a 13 yr old or just being generally unhinged is a complete lack of perspective on what the American electorate cares about.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1010 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:46 pm

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GONYK wrote:Wikileaks hasn't affected Hillary in the slightest up to this point, so I doubt she really cares.


exactly... unless they have a bombshell waiting, no one but those already against her really care enough to change their vote


Wikileaks would've very likely cost Hillary the primary if it had leaked the excerpts from her Wall Street speeches then.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1011 » by Riot Randolph » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:48 pm

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN12H1F2

Looks like you guys called it...
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1012 » by GONYK » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:48 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:
GONYK wrote:Wikileaks hasn't affected Hillary in the slightest up to this point, so I doubt she really cares.


exactly... unless they have a bombshell waiting, no one but those already against her really care enough to change their vote


Wikileaks would've very likely cost Hillary the primary if it had leaked the excerpts from her Wall Street speeches then.


Debatable, since the people who cared about that weren't the ones who voted her in. Older minority voters didn't really have Wall St. at the top of their list of concerns.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1013 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:04 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:
exactly... unless they have a bombshell waiting, no one but those already against her really care enough to change their vote


Wikileaks would've very likely cost Hillary the primary if it had leaked the excerpts from her Wall Street speeches then.


Debatable, since the people who cared about that weren't the ones who voted her in. Older minority voters didn't really have Wall St. at the top of their list of concerns.


I'll take debatable. But it would've caused quite a stir at that time. Hell, if Trump had a brain cell or two, he'd be using that info now to discuss income inequality and Hillary's untrustworthiness along with bad trade deals, but he's too busy discussing how he can grab women's vaginas and sticking his tongue down their throats.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1014 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:05 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Wikileaks would've very likely cost Hillary the primary if it had leaked the excerpts from her Wall Street speeches then.


Debatable, since the people who cared about that weren't the ones who voted her in. Older minority voters didn't really have Wall St. at the top of their list of concerns.


I'll take debatable. But it would've caused quite a stir at that time. Hell, if Trump had a brain cell or two, he'd be using that info now to discuss income inequality and Hillary's untrustworthiness along with bad trade deals, but he's too busy discussing how he can grab women's vaginas and sticking his tongue down their throats.


Typical. You have a problem with locker room talk? He's just being a man. You feel threatened by a real man don't you?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1015 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:07 pm

David Dayen: The Most Important WikiLeak Revelation


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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1016 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:43 pm

ClydeRules wrote:
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ClydeRules wrote:A "state actor" has cut off Assange's Wikileaks internet access, at least for now. Now who would benefit most from keeping the truth from us?

Read on Twitter


What truths do you want to hear? What has been revealed thus far is just a bit more material than a complete joke. I support public transparency but I can't help but feel nervous about external actors, not acting in our country's best interest, attempting to affect our election. Does that not bother you?


It sounds like you can't handle the truth. I guess you would rather allow the main stream media propaganda machine to pollute your mind with unsubstantiated 30 year old groping stories instead of finding out what these 2 campaigns are really about. Hillary wanted Assange droned and now we know why. She can't handle the truth either.



You conspiracy theorizing is becoming wearifying. Now, how's that for a Clydism, Clyde rules?

Ha, just kidding. It's suspicious and not a good look. Better to just let the information out.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1017 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:55 pm

Here are the latest polls

Could turn into a complete wipeout for Trump

The Live Phone polls have the biggest margins and they are probably more indicative than online polls which are notoriously unreliable

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1018 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:59 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:David Dayen: The Most Important WikiLeak Revelation




That's a live stream Wingo, so whatever you wanted to share is not possible.

You could summarize the point however
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1019 » by K_ick_God » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:13 pm

She is going to do it but with the depths this has fallen to, Hillary could easily say she is not going to do the debate. It'd be a mark of refusal to accept that our public conversation should sink so low. She could at least just say she's not going to respond to crazy or abusive comments from him, and focus almost entirely on what she will do as president, now that it's clear she will be.

Just talk about your agenda and your vision. Make like he's not there, because he's basically not, except for an empty can making a lot of noise.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#1020 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:20 pm

KnicksGod wrote:She is going to do it but with the depths this has fallen to, Hillary could easily say she is not going to do the debate. It'd be a mark of refusal to accept that our public conversation should sink so low. She could at least just say she's not going to respond to crazy or abusive comments from him, and focus almost entirely on what she will do as president, now that it's clear she will be.

Just talk about your agenda and your vision. Make like he's not there, because he's basically not, except for an empty can making a lot of noise.


Nah. Just show up. Don't say anything about terms and conditions. That's his racket. She needs to keep her nose out of that nonsense and let him continue to unravel.

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