Pistons vs 76ers (7 pm)

[Todd3]

You can kinda tell why Stan is warming up to Gbinije and souring on SJ. He's almost like the anti-Stanley.

Picked low for being old. Doesn't talk a lot. Just does what he's told, then produces effectively when called on.

SJ was picked high for being young. Talks like he's the best player in the league, then stinks up the court doing whatever he wants.

Stan has said before that he gravitates more towards players that have to work their way up. Stanley needs to start accepting his coaching more if he wants to get better/get more minutes. I think him thinking he's already an all-star is his biggest problem.

Stanley knows he needs to get better no doubt about it. His mom did a good job raising him to be a hard worker. I think there's just a mental block that he's not starting and it's affecting his production. I guarantee you if he starts, he'll turn into another monster on the team. He's at his best when he's competing to win, not competing for a position which is what's basically happening. Every player has a different story in the NBA, he'll adjust over time for sure. I still expect him to be the player to take us deep in the Playoffs.

I know what you mean. I think he's the type that needs a challenge to excel and he might just be bored coming off the bench.

Problem is there's no way to justify benching Morris/Harris for him if they're playing great and he's awful.

With how KCP is playing though and being in the last year of his contract, there's an opportunity there for him to win a starting spot if he could just show Stan he can trust him.

My feeling is the Pistons want Stanley to emerge as a better/cheaper option so they don't have to pay KCP. And Stan is using Gbinije as an example for how he wants him to play. Makes sense. Best case, SJ 'gets it' and meets his potential. Worst case, he doesn't and maybe one of Gbinije/Hilliard/Bullock can get the job done instead.

[The Moose]

So is SVG now supposed to start Gbinije over KCP and Stanley?

Of course.

Trey Freeman got some run over Mcallum. Freeman most certainly going to be the 3rd string pg.
Baynes is as good as traded , he can't even get minutes anymore.
SJ and KCP are on the trading block. I think we offered both for Booker but they wanted a first rounder.
Mook isn't injured as i saw him walking fine, i think SVG just is sick of his attitude. He's really not a leader by evidence of him being benched. SVG said he wants team players, and Mook ISO's too much.

The only reason we extended Dre is because we had no choice. He still can't shoot FT's and back to his ways of getting into foul trouble. Boban is a much better center anyways, and SVG's looks to be leading to starting Boban for his defensive prowess. I am pretty sure Dre is going to be offered for Cousins.

Harris is probably our only keeper, but he's not a pf or SF , so he limits what we can do. I'd trade him for a upgrade at SF, maybe Leonard!?

My last observation from Preseason, which as you guys know is a literal preview of the regular season, is that SVG is not a good coach, and its clear the players are tuning him out. I think Tim Hardway probably takes over as players respect him, and SVG does what he does best as a GM. Mook got benched, baynes got benched, RJ reportedly is refusing to play. KCP hasn't improved, SJ hasn't improved, Dre hasn't improved. Its time to make a change, this preseason PROVES IT!

I understand your point but the excessive hyperbole really does your argument no favours, particularly when you are comparing situations that aren't equal.

Baynes and McCallum got 0 minutes, but it was made clear they were not going to play. If SJ had got 0 minutes, your point would have more substance, as we could assume that he is being intentionally held out of the game to allow SVG to assess other players. However, that's not the case, SVG put him out there for a short time, he was awful, got pulled and didn't return in favour for other players.

This very well could have no relevance come regular season because SJ may outperform them once we get there, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest the SVG is at least letting Stanley know that his place in the rotation isn't a guarantee, which I think is the correct thing to do.

[DBC10]

Of course.

Trey Freeman got some run over Mcallum. Freeman most certainly going to be the 3rd string pg.
Baynes is as good as traded , he can't even get minutes anymore.
SJ and KCP are on the trading block. I think we offered both for Booker but they wanted a first rounder.
Mook isn't injured as i saw him walking fine, i think SVG just is sick of his attitude. He's really not a leader by evidence of him being benched. SVG said he wants team players, and Mook ISO's too much.

The only reason we extended Dre is because we had no choice. He still can't shoot FT's and back to his ways of getting into foul trouble. Boban is a much better center anyways, and SVG's looks to be leading to starting Boban for his defensive prowess. I am pretty sure Dre is going to be offered for Cousins.

Harris is probably our only keeper, but he's not a pf or SF , so he limits what we can do. I'd trade him for a upgrade at SF, maybe Leonard!?

My last observation from Preseason, which as you guys know is a literal preview of the regular season, is that SVG is not a good coach, and its clear the players are tuning him out. I think Tim Hardway probably takes over as players respect him, and SVG does what he does best as a GM. Mook got benched, baynes got benched, RJ reportedly is refusing to play. KCP hasn't improved, SJ hasn't improved, Dre hasn't improved. Its time to make a change, this preseason PROVES IT!

I understand your point but the excessive hyperbole really does your argument no favours, particularly when you are comparing situations that aren't equal.

Baynes and McCallum got 0 minutes, but it was made clear they were not going to play. If SJ had got 0 minutes, your point would have more substance, as we could assume that he is being intentionally held out of the game to allow SVG to assess other players. However, that's not the case, SVG put him out there for a short time, he was awful, got pulled and didn't return in favour for other players.

This very well could have no relevance come regular season because SJ may outperform them once we get there, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest the SVG is at least letting Stanley know that his place in the rotation isn't a guarantee, which I think is the correct thing to do.

To the point against SJ, why basically pout and not give it your all because you're not getting playing time? I'd humble down if I were SJ if he doesn't want to be traded in the near future. But it's clear he's not going to outperform Mook/Harris anytime soon, I'd rather stagger minutes of Mook and Harris and play one of Gbenjie/Hilliard/Bullock off as the first backup SG with Mook taking majority of backup SF duties. And make room for Ellenson for development, since he seems to have much more development potential so far.

[zeebneeb]

Trey Freeman got some run over Mcallum. Freeman most certainly going to be the 3rd string pg.
Baynes is as good as traded , he can't even get minutes anymore.
SJ and KCP are on the trading block. I think we offered both for Booker but they wanted a first rounder.
Mook isn't injured as i saw him walking fine, i think SVG just is sick of his attitude. He's really not a leader by evidence of him being benched. SVG said he wants team players, and Mook ISO's too much.

The only reason we extended Dre is because we had no choice. He still can't shoot FT's and back to his ways of getting into foul trouble. Boban is a much better center anyways, and SVG's looks to be leading to starting Boban for his defensive prowess. I am pretty sure Dre is going to be offered for Cousins.

Harris is probably our only keeper, but he's not a pf or SF , so he limits what we can do. I'd trade him for a upgrade at SF, maybe Leonard!?

My last observation from Preseason, which as you guys know is a literal preview of the regular season, is that SVG is not a good coach, and its clear the players are tuning him out. I think Tim Hardway probably takes over as players respect him, and SVG does what he does best as a GM. Mook got benched, baynes got benched, RJ reportedly is refusing to play. KCP hasn't improved, SJ hasn't improved, Dre hasn't improved. Its time to make a change, this preseason PROVES IT!

I understand your point but the excessive hyperbole really does your argument no favours, particularly when you are comparing situations that aren't equal.

Baynes and McCallum got 0 minutes, but it was made clear they were not going to play. If SJ had got 0 minutes, your point would have more substance, as we could assume that he is being intentionally held out of the game to allow SVG to assess other players. However, that's not the case, SVG put him out there for a short time, he was awful, got pulled and didn't return in favour for other players.

This very well could have no relevance come regular season because SJ may outperform them once we get there, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest the SVG is at least letting Stanley know that his place in the rotation isn't a guarantee, which I think is the correct thing to do.

To the point against SJ, why basically pout and not give it your all because you're not getting playing time? I'd humble down if I were SJ if he doesn't want to be traded in the near future. But it's clear he's not going to outperform Mook/Harris anytime soon, I'd rather stagger minutes of Mook and Harris and play one of Gbenjie/Hilliard/Bullock off as the first backup SG with Mook taking majority of backup SF duties. And make room for Ellenson for development, since he seems to have much more development potential so far.

I am enamored with Ellenson right now. Watching him bring the ball up the court so deftly the other night had me saying wow. People don't realize just how much that changes the offense or just how difficult it makes it on defenses when a player at his position can do that.

Think about it. I stead of packing the paint against Andre, it forces the PF out to the three point line because Ellenson is bringing up the ball and may launch a three pointer at any moment. It also allows the sf, sg, or PG to cut into the paint. This is why Dirk was so damn valuable.

I want him getting playtime NOW. his ball handling at the PF slot, and ability to drive the ball and create is tantalizing to say the least. I don't care who's playtime is comprised by it.

[zeebneeb]

Here's henry highlights from sixers game.

https://youtu.be/mzhu1CjJ6Nc

This full time? YES PLEASE.

[DBC10]

I understand your point but the excessive hyperbole really does your argument no favours, particularly when you are comparing situations that aren't equal.

Baynes and McCallum got 0 minutes, but it was made clear they were not going to play. If SJ had got 0 minutes, your point would have more substance, as we could assume that he is being intentionally held out of the game to allow SVG to assess other players. However, that's not the case, SVG put him out there for a short time, he was awful, got pulled and didn't return in favour for other players.

This very well could have no relevance come regular season because SJ may outperform them once we get there, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest the SVG is at least letting Stanley know that his place in the rotation isn't a guarantee, which I think is the correct thing to do.

To the point against SJ, why basically pout and not give it your all because you're not getting playing time? I'd humble down if I were SJ if he doesn't want to be traded in the near future. But it's clear he's not going to outperform Mook/Harris anytime soon, I'd rather stagger minutes of Mook and Harris and play one of Gbenjie/Hilliard/Bullock off as the first backup SG with Mook taking majority of backup SF duties. And make room for Ellenson for development, since he seems to have much more development potential so far.

I am enamored with Ellenson right now. Watching him bring the ball up the court so deftly the other night had me saying wow. People don't realize just how much that changes the offense or just how difficult it makes it on defenses when a player at his position can do that.

Think about it. I stead of packing the paint against Andre, it forces the PF out to the three point line because Ellenson is bringing up the ball and may launch a three pointer at any moment. It also allows the sf, sg, or PG to cut into the paint. This is why Dirk was so damn valuable.

I want him getting playtime NOW. his ball handling at the PF slot, and ability to drive the ball and create is tantalizing to say the least. I don't care who's playtime is comprised by it.

Agreed. I really like a ball handling PF that's always a threat to do something on offense. But not only that's, he's a big body and lanky too which means he can easily shoot over others if need be. We haven't had a long PF like that since Sheed. We had Ersan and Mook who are both relatively undersized for their positions in recent memory.

I'm starting to feel that SJ may be the odd man out with our roster slowly showing it's ceiling. Tobias looks so much better not having to share lanes with Mook and I always felt Mook should be our sixth man anyways. Combined with Mooks cheap contract, And ability to play multiple positions, SJ may be compromised with a rising Ellenson.

Leuer and Ellenson should be our bulk PF minutes.

[joedumars1]

So is SVG now supposed to start Gbinije over KCP and Stanley?

Of course.

Trey Freeman got some run over Mcallum. Freeman most certainly going to be the 3rd string pg.
Baynes is as good as traded , he can't even get minutes anymore.
SJ and KCP are on the trading block. I think we offered both for Booker but they wanted a first rounder.
Mook isn't injured as i saw him walking fine, i think SVG just is sick of his attitude. He's really not a leader by evidence of him being benched. SVG said he wants team players, and Mook ISO's too much.

The only reason we extended Dre is because we had no choice. He still can't shoot FT's and back to his ways of getting into foul trouble. Boban is a much better center anyways, and SVG's looks to be leading to starting Boban for his defensive prowess. I am pretty sure Dre is going to be offered for Cousins.

Harris is probably our only keeper, but he's not a pf or SF , so he limits what we can do. I'd trade him for a upgrade at SF, maybe Leonard!?

My last observation from Preseason, which as you guys know is a literal preview of the regular season, is that SVG is not a good coach, and its clear the players are tuning him out. I think Tim Hardway probably takes over as players respect him, and SVG does what he does best as a GM. Mook got benched, baynes got benched, RJ reportedly is refusing to play. KCP hasn't improved, SJ hasn't improved, Dre hasn't improved. Its time to make a change, this preseason PROVES IT!

You had me for a second

[Blkbrd671]

Of course.

Trey Freeman got some run over Mcallum. Freeman most certainly going to be the 3rd string pg.
Baynes is as good as traded , he can't even get minutes anymore.
SJ and KCP are on the trading block. I think we offered both for Booker but they wanted a first rounder.
Mook isn't injured as i saw him walking fine, i think SVG just is sick of his attitude. He's really not a leader by evidence of him being benched. SVG said he wants team players, and Mook ISO's too much.

The only reason we extended Dre is because we had no choice. He still can't shoot FT's and back to his ways of getting into foul trouble. Boban is a much better center anyways, and SVG's looks to be leading to starting Boban for his defensive prowess. I am pretty sure Dre is going to be offered for Cousins.

Harris is probably our only keeper, but he's not a pf or SF , so he limits what we can do. I'd trade him for a upgrade at SF, maybe Leonard!?

My last observation from Preseason, which as you guys know is a literal preview of the regular season, is that SVG is not a good coach, and its clear the players are tuning him out. I think Tim Hardway probably takes over as players respect him, and SVG does what he does best as a GM. Mook got benched, baynes got benched, RJ reportedly is refusing to play. KCP hasn't improved, SJ hasn't improved, Dre hasn't improved. Its time to make a change, this preseason PROVES IT!

I understand your point but the excessive hyperbole really does your argument no favours, particularly when you are comparing situations that aren't equal.

Baynes and McCallum got 0 minutes, but it was made clear they were not going to play. If SJ had got 0 minutes, your point would have more substance, as we could assume that he is being intentionally held out of the game to allow SVG to assess other players. However, that's not the case, SVG put him out there for a short time, he was awful, got pulled and didn't return in favour for other players.

This very well could have no relevance come regular season because SJ may outperform them once we get there, but I think there is enough evidence to suggest the SVG is at least letting Stanley know that his place in the rotation isn't a guarantee, which I think is the correct thing to do.

Your mistaken , there is no argument, deducing anything from preseason is a fools error. There is more meaning in what SVG said than what actually transpires on the court, playing time, rotations etc. You can go back to other preseason's and see the same thing. Preseason's are glorified scrimmages , and coaches use these games for various reason's. Posters every year do this and then get so confused when the regular season comes.

[Cowology]

Is it too early to start the KCP = Klay Thompson thread?

[zeebneeb]

Is it too early to start the KCP = Klay Thompson thread?

No, and ill tell you what. If its not your name i see under author, I will be severely disappointed.










Not saying your Pistons fan card will get revoked if you dont do it, but im certainly typing it loudly...

[The_Irony]

What is it with Detroit fans and loving the overwhelming/far beyond backups in almost every sport?


SVG souring on Stanley...most ridiculous thing I've read this week

[Blkbrd671]

Is it too early to start the KCP = Klay Thompson thread?

well stuckey did get a Harden comparison so it would only be suitable for KCP to get his totally logical and unbias'd comparison thread